Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Great DHS Ammunition Stockpile Myth
http://www.breitbart.com ^ | 4/4/13 | Tom Stilson

Posted on 04/05/2013 11:45:36 AM PDT by Lucky9teen



There are dozens of articles hyping government purchases of ammunition over the last nine months. After spending weeks researching this topic, this is a collection of commonly held myths that are based more on panic than fact. 

With the recent release of a letter from the Department of Homeland Security to Senator Coburn, the numbers we calculated independently seem to corroborate the narrative coming from DHS. The concerns surrounding DHS stockpiling ammunition are nothing but more fear-mongering and largely unwarranted. For once, here are the facts to set the record straight:

MYTH: DHS purchased 750 million rounds of several different types of ammunition in August 2012.

FACT: The DHS contract never stated 750 million rounds at any time. It is a five year contract with a maximum purchase of 70 million rounds over the life of the contract. Military Times recently addressed this issue as well.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: ammunition; banglist; dhs; dhsammo; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment; sourcetitlenoturl
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-51 next last
To: ZULU

http://www.surplusammo.com/22-lr-aguila-high-velocity-38-grain-hollow-point-500-round-brick/

http://www.surplusammo.com/22-lr-blazer-high-velocity-40-grain-solid-point-500-round-brick/


21 posted on 04/05/2013 12:19:52 PM PDT by ez (Laws are for little people. Criminals, politicians, police, and David Gregory are exempt.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: ez

http://www.surplusammo.com/22-lr-cci-standard-velocity-target-40-grain-round-nose-0032-100-rounds/

http://www.surplusammo.com/22-lr-cci-mini-mag-36-grain-copper-plated-hollow-point-100-rounds/


22 posted on 04/05/2013 12:21:17 PM PDT by ez (Laws are for little people. Criminals, politicians, police, and David Gregory are exempt.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Lucky9teen

There is still a shortage, and where has all the Milsurplus gone?


23 posted on 04/05/2013 12:23:26 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lucky9teen

Than How Come I get E-Mails from my Local Gun Store Advertising a box of 50 Remington 22 LR for "only" 6.99!

That is CRAZY Expensive.

Then I (reluctantly) stopped by our Super Walmart the other day and they had Nothing! Literally Nothing!


24 posted on 04/05/2013 12:27:09 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NVDave

BTW, Thanks Alberto Gonzales (W’s AG) for the barrel ban. /s


25 posted on 04/05/2013 12:27:37 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Lucky9teen
FACT: The DHS contract never stated 750 million rounds at any time. It is a five year contract with a maximum purchase of 70 million rounds over the life of the contract. Military Times recently addressed this issue as well.

FACT: All agencies for the federal government do a 5 year budget forecast. They could end up buying 750 million more rounds of assorted calibers over that period. It's still could be boatload of ammo.

It is a five year contract with a maximum purchase of 70 million rounds over the life of the contract.

Actually Breitbart, the minimum buy guarantee over the next five years of the contract from 10/01/2012 to 9/30/2017:

Verbatim from the contract:

"When the government requires CLTA [Commercial Leading Training Ammunition] covered by this contract, delivery order(s) will be issued: delivery instructions will be listed therein. Prices include all delivery cost and Federal Excise Tax (FET). The minimum guarantee that the Government will order is 1,000 rounds per contract per year. Unit price is per 1,000 rounds. "

The gov has the option of buying that Titanic load of ammo per the contract.

26 posted on 04/05/2013 12:29:01 PM PDT by Red Steel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ez

Those prices are insane.


27 posted on 04/05/2013 12:31:31 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: rhubarbk
This may be true so why is there no ammunition to be found? Go to any online firearm/amunition resource and they all say out of stock on ammo. One site, Georgia Arms, says their production backlog is running 2-9 months out.

IMHO, Because we are our own worst enemy. As soon as Obama got reelected ammo and guns started flying off the shelves. People are buying in blind panic.

The same thing happened in '08. Ammo shortages were not quite as bad then, you could always find .22 rimfire. However, 5.56 and .308 was next to impossible to find for the longest time. This time around not only do you have panic buyers but profiteers who are buying anything and everything and reselling at inflated prices. Even blackpowder supplies have nearly vanished from the store shelves.

What's happening now with the ammo is what happens to food and bottled water here in Florida when a major hurricane threatens us. The only difference is this threat will be with us for quite a while. People see this and they're not letting up on the panic buying.

28 posted on 04/05/2013 12:37:21 PM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: mylife

Definitely. I will not buy any .22 until I can get a brick for under $35 or a box of premium (Mini Mags, Stingers etc)for under $20.


29 posted on 04/05/2013 12:37:22 PM PDT by ez (Laws are for little people. Criminals, politicians, police, and David Gregory are exempt.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Lucky9teen

That article makes more sense than anything else I’ve seen (of the “conspiracy articles”). The “problem” that is being caused is because of the average ammunition purchaser stockpiling and hoarding ammunition - far beyond what has been normally done in the past.

They’ve listened to the conspiracy nuts and are now causing their own problem ... LOL ...


30 posted on 04/05/2013 12:40:53 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KC_Lion

My local Walmart was depleted of all popular calibers (9, 40, 38, 357, 223, 308, and 22 of *any* flavor). The only shot shells in the store were 18 boxes of 3” and 3-1/2” turkey loads.

I asked the guy at the counter and he said that shipments are smaller and there is a group of guys that all show up whenever they are stocking and buy anything popular that hits the shelf.

The problem locally is hoarders and folks reselling, plain and simple. I’m guessing when the current anti-gun season blows over, ammo prices will return to normal and all the folks with panic-priced stockpiles are going to be doing some *expensive* shooting.


31 posted on 04/05/2013 12:41:18 PM PDT by jaydee770
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: ez

Amen.


32 posted on 04/05/2013 12:44:40 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: jaydee770
I sure hope prices return to normal.

But since the Ammo Companies got a taste for what people are willing to pay for them I doubt they will.

Plus you have to throw Ubama's scamming into the mix and what he will do.

33 posted on 04/05/2013 12:44:51 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel
Found this on the net... DHS spokesman:

“One solicitation under Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) has a contract ceiling of UP TO 750 million rounds of training ammunition, a maximum quantity allowing FLETC flexibility over the next 5 years for training of over 90 federal agencies. A separate 5-year department-wide contract allows the purchase of UP TO 450 million rounds of duty ammunition for our law enforcement officers and agents. This contract is intended to be used by all DHS components, except the U.S. Coast Guard, who uses U.S. Department of Defense ammo contracts. This contract is part of the Department’s strategic sourcing efforts to combine multiple previous contracts in order to leverage the purchasing power of the entire Department to efficiently procure equipment and supplies at significantly lower costs.”

Someone has to watch all the munition contracts being awarded, and add up the actual ammo deliveries over a period of time to get the real picture how much the government is getting.

34 posted on 04/05/2013 12:48:00 PM PDT by Red Steel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler
That article makes more sense than anything else I’ve seen (of the “conspiracy articles”). The “problem” that is being caused is because of the average ammunition purchaser stockpiling and hoarding ammunition - far beyond what has been normally done in the past.

It makes perfect sense, which means the Alex Jones crowd will continue to believe in conspiracy theories instead.

35 posted on 04/05/2013 12:59:53 PM PDT by Longbow1969
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: DJ MacWoW

36 posted on 04/05/2013 1:02:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: jaydee770

This is precisely what is happening and I refuse to feed the beast. What should have been readily available at brick & mortor stores is being bought up by a small group of folks in communities and then resold online. The ebay “dealers” can sit on their stacks of inventory for eternity. I’m not buying it.


37 posted on 04/05/2013 1:03:36 PM PDT by MachIV
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: ricmc2175

38 posted on 04/05/2013 1:03:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee

That’s excellent!


39 posted on 04/05/2013 1:07:52 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Lucky9teen
OK, so the DHS is buying enough ammo to fight the Iraq war for 23 years 'to save money' and then somehow the border patrol has no ammo??

Me thinks the story stinks.

40 posted on 04/05/2013 1:20:49 PM PDT by SwankyC (Democrats and Republicans agree, govt coercion is OK if it fits your idea of whats OK)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-51 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson