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10 Lower Prices Solutions to Survivalism
Daily Survival ^ | 4/5/13

Posted on 04/05/2013 7:00:51 PM PDT by Kartographer

A few ways to make preparedness fit your budget a bit better.

1. Prioritize. I know this is is a far bigger thing and really arguably negates the rest of the article but I do need to touch on it briefly. Choosing preparedness stuff instead of other things is a very valid option. I find it easier to have the goal in mind and do the math working towards it. Example doing the math that at 4 bucks a pop you would need to choose drip from home instead of fancy coffee 15 times to get the medium fixed blade knife you want or 10 nights out at $50 a pop to buy a rifle or whatever. For me this makes it a choice to prioritize that specific goal instead of just general budget tightening which kind of sucks.

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A good article especially for beginners.
1 posted on 04/05/2013 7:00:51 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Please consider this our Weekly Preppers’Thread to post progress, good buys, DIY projects, advice, questions and ideas...


2 posted on 04/05/2013 7:02:39 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Our Kitchen Queen is arriving Monday.
http://www.antiquestoves.com/kitchenqueen/


3 posted on 04/05/2013 7:03:56 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush; JRandomFreeper

Johnny PING! Post #3 this thread!


4 posted on 04/05/2013 7:06:46 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: gorush
WOW! Does yours have the water heater? It's a lot to learn to cook on one of those, but it's either that or gas for me, and you can do more with the wood stove if you have the skillset.

/johnny

5 posted on 04/05/2013 7:12:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It has an optional water coil and/or an optional water reservoir. We are getting the coil to attach to a tank w/ 2 heat exchangers....one to feed infloor heat to supplement or replace the geothermal system and one to attach to a future source...solar or boiler or whatever.


6 posted on 04/05/2013 7:17:02 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I lived in a cabin at altitude in Idaho for six years back in the early ‘70’s. No electric, no piped-in water. A good wood cookstove makes life grand.


7 posted on 04/05/2013 7:23:54 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

Will this beauty be your primary cooking source? Inquiring minds... :)


8 posted on 04/05/2013 7:25:52 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: gorush

What kind of stove pipe are you getting? We’re looking at triple wall but it’s very pricey.

I’ve got my grandmothers wood cook stove. She cooked many a biscuit in that stove.


9 posted on 04/05/2013 7:30:50 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Jane Long
"Will this beauty be your primary cooking source?"

If not, it will be a close second. We have other options at the moment.

10 posted on 04/05/2013 7:35:38 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Black Agnes

Chimneys are very pricey. We are getting a triple wall chimney which is darn-near required in the US. Beware of insurance company costs prior to deciding.


11 posted on 04/05/2013 7:39:33 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Black Agnes

We’re looking at Duravent which is handled by Home Depot. It’s one of the big four chimney manufactures and is most convenient for our rural location.


12 posted on 04/05/2013 7:42:26 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush
I'd go with the reservoir, but I'm old fashioned about having hot water on the stove. ;)

I love it.

Best bread I ever baked was on a wood-fired mud brick oven in NM at altitude, but the second best was on a store-bought cast iron wood stove that was pre-civil war.

Modern cooks mainly wouldn't have the patience to deal with it, but it sounds like yours found a good home.

All day pork roasts... all day beans... mmmmm. And heat for the house, besides.

/johnny

13 posted on 04/05/2013 7:43:23 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: gorush

Yeah, so we’ve found. We knew local codes demanded it but I was curious about elsewhere.

We got the stove for free. None of my cousins wanted it as it looked a little too much like work. But the idea of spending $1000 for stove pipe is kind of scary. We’ve started the stove pipe cash envelope though so hopefully before next winter we’ll have enough.


14 posted on 04/05/2013 7:47:08 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

“They’re from the government and they’re here to help” or so I’ve been told. There’s a point at which one must start putting an equal amount in envelopes and then, when sufficient cash has been collected, self insure.


15 posted on 04/05/2013 7:52:29 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

So true.

This looks like my grandmothers. Minus what looks like a water reservoir on the right hand side.

http://antiquestoves.us/shop/margin-gem/88-margin-gem.html


16 posted on 04/05/2013 7:53:30 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Very nice! I hope you get it hooked up and get to enjoy its utility as well as its looks.


17 posted on 04/05/2013 7:56:02 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Kartographer

I suggested to my wife that instead of buying more 5.56 for the AR, I should get an AK-47. Based on ammo cost, about 2,000 rounds of 7.62 would save enough to pay for the AK.

Umm, she didn’t jump at the idea. I don’t understand, it seems so sensible to me.....


18 posted on 04/05/2013 8:00:31 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: gorush

I was dumbfounded none of my cousins wanted it. One kind of hemmed and hawed she might want it for ‘decoration’. But when her boyfriend tried to pick it up that little discussion ended. LOL. My stove is a bit smaller than the one in the picture. I think. It’s difficult to judge based on those pictures.

My grandmother got it in the cold war in the early 70’s. She used it in the summer to can her veggies though. She didn’t have it in her house but she did build a little ‘canning house’ behind the main house. If the sky had fallen we could easily have set up beds out there to stay warm and had hot food besides. My grandmother was a prepper before prepping was cool.

We’re just trying to save money on electricity bills.


19 posted on 04/05/2013 8:01:37 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: ChildOfThe60s

The reason I brought my AK 74. I brought it 3 years ago with 3 magazines less than $350. Now it’s hard to find them at $700


20 posted on 04/05/2013 8:15:57 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Found a new one at my local shop for $899. WPA classic at around 40 cents a round versus AR at 80 cents and up, not hard to do the math.

An AK at $400 (not going to happen) would really be a no brainer. Watched it get knocked down in 20 seconds, it was all I could do not to buy it right then. Fear of my wife was all that kept me from doing it.

But my local store has WPA classic .223 at $460 a thousand which goes through the AR fine, I think he’s making the real money on cleaning supplies now that I’m using it.


21 posted on 04/05/2013 8:27:34 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Kartographer
I read the article. Due to the Communist in our house, and N. Korea problem that might bite us very soon, I've been prioritizing what I must get now that would be vital and what isn't so vital but get it if I have enough time so that purchases are spread out.

Unfortunately, I have to pay a large amount (to me) of income tax and didn't realize that was going to happen (I lost a deduction due to husband's death). That has to be paid by April 15, of course. How do Hussein's people who work in govn. in Washington, owe millions of dollars in income tax and don't get thrown in jail? I remember hearing several months ago how much those people owe in back taxes. If I didn't pay mine, ON TIME, you can bet the IRS would be after me. Anyway, April is pretty much shot for buying a large amount of preps. When I have to go to the grocery, I buy the cheapest paper towels and toilet paper to store. I buy both every time I hit the grocery. I have scaled back buying more expensive food and get simple food so that extra can go for more prep food.

I am cutting every expense possible to have more for preps like the guy says in the article.

I keep the house temperature at 75 during the day and I must have it at 70 at night in order to sleep. Most days and nights have been cool so that saves on the power bill but that is going to change soon in southeast Texas.

22 posted on 04/05/2013 8:30:27 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Kartographer
I have the beginnings of an idea, but I was wondering if anyone has experience with something like it. I've read about humanure systems, but I don't trust their ability to deal with contagions. I've also seen incinerating toilets, but they needed electricity.

What I'd like is an incinerating toilet (or some other way of burning the waste without having to carry it anywhere first), that uses twigs instead of electricity.

Anyone have experience with anything like that?

If not, I can put my inventor’s hat back on. There's a lot of work to be done on this idea, but I could come up with something handy.

23 posted on 04/05/2013 8:31:11 PM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: gorush

I am so jealous!
I’m working on a rocket stove set up from an old propane cylinder. Karts ammo can stove is a beauty but I want a bigger rig.


24 posted on 04/06/2013 5:22:30 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Nailbiter

ping


25 posted on 04/06/2013 8:07:12 AM PDT by IncPen (Mayor Bloomberg doesn't fear government tyranny; he is government tyranny.)
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To: Kartographer
Instead of asking for stuff you don't really need for birthdays, Christmas, etc ask for preparedness stuff you can use. Many folks would be happy to get you a preparedness item of comparable price

Gifting to yourself or spouse is one thing but you don't want to advertise you're prepping.

I delayed keeping my canned corn stocked due to the budget and now our one and only grocery doesn't stock the cheap brand. The best lower priced solution is to keep abreast of situations.

26 posted on 04/06/2013 9:19:09 AM PDT by bgill
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To: gorush

WOW!


27 posted on 04/06/2013 10:34:39 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: gorush

That is one impressive stove. I’m not entirely sure where I could add that to my house, though I do have a woodstove in the basement that could be a good location.


28 posted on 04/07/2013 6:25:27 AM PDT by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: Kartographer

Just a heads up:

We just noticed that some of our Clorox bottles were the “X2” version, and some were the “low splash” version.

After reading the fine print we discovered that only the “regular” Clorox should be used for water purification. The low splash version has something else added to reduce splashing, and the “2X” version is hydrogen peroxide. We don’t want either one in our water.

Side Note: We stock a bit of Clorox for short term water purification needs, and granular swimming pool chlorine for longer term use. If you get the granular stuff you can solve the long term chlorine storage problem (Clorox starts losing effectiveness after about six months of storage). Be sure to get the right kind of granules.

(Our own granules are stowed away and hard to get to right now and I don’t remember the details, so someone else will need to provide that info.)


29 posted on 04/07/2013 1:17:15 PM PDT by EternalHope (Be ready.)
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To: EternalHope

I believe the granules- come with Algecide (sp?) or non Alegicide- If I remember correctly- for water purification one would need the non algecide version


30 posted on 04/07/2013 10:41:16 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Marcella
Unfortunately, I have to pay a large amount (to me) of income tax and didn't realize that was going to happen (I lost a deduction due to husband's death). That has to be paid by April 15, of course. How do Hussein's people who work in govn. in Washington, owe millions of dollars in income tax and don't get thrown in jail? I remember hearing several months ago how much those people owe in back taxes. If I didn't pay mine, ON TIME, you can bet the IRS would be after me. Anyway, April is pretty much shot for buying a large amount of preps. When I have to go to the grocery, I buy the cheapest paper towels and toilet paper to store. I buy both every time I hit the grocery. I have scaled back buying more expensive food and get simple food so that extra can go for more prep food.

I do the same - buying TP every time I go. Except now, I am running out of nooks and crannies to put it in! As for PT, long ago I started buying washable thin dish cloths at the dollar store. Like the old Handi-Wipes kind. I use them in lieu of PT for non-icky things - and then wash and reuse them. I was going through a lot of paper towels before then.

Sorry the mean tax collector is on your heels. Us little guys can never get way with the things the 'elites' do.
31 posted on 04/08/2013 9:21:17 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: gorush

Beautiful stove. I’m hoping to get an amish farmhouse when we move in three (!) years. (We’ve now narrowed it down to 3 years, unless something unforeseen happens - yeah!).

Amish houses tend to come with woodstoves. And lovely barns and outbuildings as well.

And they are typically smart enough to have added electricity, for resale purposes.


32 posted on 04/08/2013 9:25:37 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: yorkiemom
“As for PT, long ago I started buying washable thin dish cloths at the dollar store. Like the old Handi-Wipes kind. I use them in lieu of PT for non-icky things - and then wash and reuse them. I was going through a lot of paper towels before then.”

That's a good idea - there is a dollar store very near me. I'll do it. I go through so many paper towels I had worried about running out in an emergency.

33 posted on 04/08/2013 9:33:17 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Best bread I ever baked was on a wood-fired mud brick oven in NM at altitude, but the second best was on a store-bought cast iron wood stove that was pre-civil war.

Did you make the oven yourself? Hubby promises me an Italian brick pizza oven when we settle in our final farmhouse. They are pricey to buy so he is thinking about building one.
34 posted on 04/08/2013 3:29:26 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: yorkiemom
I didn't build the one I used in NM, but I did learn how to build one there. I'm building my own here from materials on the property. I'm about 1/3 complete, but I'm going slow, digging the clay and making the bricks isn't something I'm rushing.

/johnny

35 posted on 04/08/2013 4:13:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Wow - making our own bricks wasn’t even something I thought of.

The Italian pizza oven needs to get to around 800-900 degrees. I wasn’t sure what kind of bricks could withstand those temperatures.


36 posted on 04/08/2013 4:38:10 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: yorkiemom
Most all will. Commercial bricks are made at higher temps.

I'm making sun-dried mud bricks, though, and I'll just patch if they crack. I've got plenty of material.

Make a mud slurry with the clay and slap it on. Repeat as required.

I can promise you that the Mestizos don't go to a lot of trouble making their bricks. It's not high-tech.

/johnny

37 posted on 04/08/2013 4:42:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

ok, thanks. Sounds like he can just go ahead and make one and save us thousands of dollars ;)


38 posted on 04/08/2013 5:17:40 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: yorkiemom
It is a lot of work. Keep that in mind.

/johnny

39 posted on 04/08/2013 5:20:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well, we won’t be making our own bricks. That should make it a lot easier.

I never even considering doing so! You are one of a kind, Johnny. I’m waiting for your book because your mind operates in ways different than most - you catch me by surprise often ;)


40 posted on 04/08/2013 6:47:01 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: yorkiemom
You'll need solid bricks, not facing brick with the holes all the way through them. You are looking for thermal mass.

When that project starts, and if I'm still around ping me, and I'll give you the benefit of all my screwups so you can made different ones.

/johnny

41 posted on 04/08/2013 6:49:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
When that project starts, and if I'm still around ping me, and I'll give you the benefit of all my screwups so you can made different ones.

LOL! See - caught me off guard again ;)

Ok thanks, I sure will. I hope you're not planning on going off line? It'll be around 3 years, unless hubby either gets a job back east soon or we can scrape together some more pennies faster.
42 posted on 04/08/2013 9:59:53 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: yorkiemom
None knows the day or the hour. I don't take things for granted. ;)

/johnny

43 posted on 04/08/2013 10:21:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

oh, gottcha.

I’m hoping it won’t happen until I’m ‘ready’, but....

In the meantime I have a mountain retreat as a backup. And won’t sell it until we have the homestead with plenty of acreage. But mountains aren’t great for growing things so I hope things will collapse slowly, ala Weimar, instead of overnight. But, it’s all in His time, isn’t it? When I get nervous, I try to remember that fear and faith cannot coexist, and that I need to drop the fear.


44 posted on 04/09/2013 2:28:21 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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