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St. Petersburg police shoot man they say threatened with scissors
Tampa Bay Times ^ | March 10, 2013 | Brittany Alana Davis

Posted on 04/09/2013 4:47:16 PM PDT by Altariel

ST. PETERSBURG — Police shot and killed a man Sunday evening they say was suicidal and threatening two officers with a pair of scissors.

The man, identified by police as Arthur Dixon, 43, of 5411 Fourth Ave. N was shot in the upper torso. He was transported as a trauma alert patient to Bayfront Medical Center, where he later died.

His mother, who was temporarily staying at his house, called authorities about 6:10 p.m. to say Dixon had doused himself with gasoline and was threatening to set himself afire.

A neighbor, Ray Wuest, saw firefighters arrive and went to help. He said he has known Dixon more than a decade and — unlike firefighters at the scene — was not intimidated by a pit bull named Chico in the window.

Wuest said he went inside to try to talk to Dixon.

Dixon sat at the kitchen table, he said, with gas spilled all around and on him, smoking a cigarette.

Wuest said he took the cigarette, then went outside to ask firefighters whether they had something to mop up the gas. He said he went back in to clean it up. After he did, the police arrived and insisted he leave.

St. Petersburg police spokesman Mike Puetz said officers negotiated for more than an hour with Dixon. But he was "belligerent and threatening," a police statement said.

About 7:30 p.m., Dixon ran out the back of the house where Officers Devin Jones and Curtis Wright were stationed.

Dixon held a pair of scissors and raised them in a threatening manner as he approached the officers, Puetz said.

The two officers drew their guns and warned him several times to stop, Puetz said, and retreated backward. Still, Dixon kept approaching.

Both officers fired. Puetz said he did not know how many shots were fired. Dixon was struck in the upper torso and fell.

"Scissors are a deadly weapon," Puetz said. "They can cause great harm. They can be just as dangerous as a knife."

Both officers are on administrative leave while the shooting is investigated.

Wuest said Dixon is a former landscaper who suffered a brain injury some time ago and became disabled. He has two children, one in college and one in high school, Wuest said, who do not live with him.

Ray Wuest and his wife, Mary Wuest, said they could have ended it all peacefully if only given the chance.

"If they would have left us alone with him, we could have gotten him out of the house," Mary Wuest said.

State records show that Dixon was convicted in 2011 of robbery with a weapon and resisting an officer with violence.

He was released from state prison Feb. 17.

News researcher Natalie Watson contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; florida; stpetersburg
"Get out of here, Citizen. We are qualified to handle a suicidal man, you should not interfere, even if you DO know him better than we do and have a better chance of talking him out of it."

--Agents of the State

1 posted on 04/09/2013 4:47:16 PM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

Was he running with the scissors? If so I say open fire. #cantbetoocareful


2 posted on 04/09/2013 4:49:57 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Altariel

Have to use up those bullets somehow. Guess they hadn’t shot any dogs lately.


3 posted on 04/09/2013 4:52:05 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Altariel

4 posted on 04/09/2013 4:52:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Altariel
Ban all scissors!
5 posted on 04/09/2013 4:55:14 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Mary Landrieu voted for the UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: Altariel

That’s sad... If these people have no better people skills than that they have to kill a sick person, that’s really sad...

We often lump fireman and police together as heroes, however as of late it’s the fireman who will risk his life and go into a burning building to save someone (even a dog or cat). Police send in flammable tear gas first to protect their own ass. Police are no heroes...


6 posted on 04/09/2013 4:55:43 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Since he was doused with gasoline (and no indication is made that this was cleaned off of him) and knew it, it would make more sense for him to grab one of the twain before he reached for the scissors.

It makes better sense if one wants to justify shooting someone who is suicidal, instead of talking him down.


7 posted on 04/09/2013 4:56:38 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
His mother, who was temporarily staying at his house, called authorities about 6:10 p.m. to say Dixon had doused himself with gasoline and was threatening to set himself afire.

He was going to die one way or another. Too bad the cops have to live with the aftermath.

Guy should have just struck the match and left everybody else out of it.

8 posted on 04/09/2013 4:57:00 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Altariel

Some people just need killing. Sounds like the PoPo did us all a favor. His next stop might have been a gun free zone near you.


9 posted on 04/09/2013 5:01:03 PM PDT by Autonomous User (Pain Fades. Chicks Dig Scars. Glory lasts forever.)
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To: Altariel
Pussies

end of

10 posted on 04/09/2013 5:03:20 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Altariel

It’s because he didn’t have a dog they could shoot.


11 posted on 04/09/2013 5:06:24 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not necessarily. You’re ignoring the presence of the neighbor.

Also, people who are determined to commit suicide no-matter-what do it; those who make a spectacle about it typically WANT to be talked out of it.


12 posted on 04/09/2013 5:08:09 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Autonomous User

Oh yes, because people who announce an intention to kill themselves so frequently become homicidal maniacs.

Why are you cheering on the actions of the government employees rather than the good neighbor who was talking to the man?


13 posted on 04/09/2013 5:09:22 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel
They can be just as dangerous as a knife.

Holy crap. We need to fit everyone in a straightjacket.

14 posted on 04/09/2013 5:10:06 PM PDT by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: Altariel

Well, suicide is illegal, they had to stop him.


15 posted on 04/09/2013 5:14:26 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Altariel
Also, people who are determined to commit suicide no-matter-what do it; those who make a spectacle about it typically WANT to be talked out of it.

I don't care.

Your narcissistic suicide charade endangers those around you.

Anybody who threatens suicide should be shot on the spot.

You'd be amazed how few people would threaten suicide after that.

16 posted on 04/09/2013 5:15:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Altariel

Go into social work if you want to save the world. What are you some kinda bleeding heart liberal?
I say shoot em now before the mental defects can do more harm.


17 posted on 04/09/2013 5:17:12 PM PDT by Autonomous User (Pain Fades. Chicks Dig Scars. Glory lasts forever.)
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To: Altariel
prolly a pair of these...

18 posted on 04/09/2013 5:29:37 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I also back the cops on this. They were called because he had doused himself with gasolene.
This is a very dangerous situation for them. They had the prior hx of his past no doubt, armed robbery, prison.

Granted this man had a brain disorder and was suicidal. however, mental patients in crisis can be very strong and unpredictable. If someone is coming at me with scissors, and doesn’t stop, I would shoot. And if I shoot, I would shoot to kill..not try to shoot him in the leg, miss and have him keep coming. Cops don’t have the luxory we do sitting at a computer thinking of other options.

what were they supposed to do? Leave him there to “talk’ with the neighbors.


19 posted on 04/09/2013 5:50:08 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Altariel

That is a very rough part of town.


20 posted on 04/09/2013 6:17:36 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Altariel

Isn’t it amazing, all of these police departments have plenty of money for actual assault rifles and armored vehicle but none of them can afford a net gun! Something that would have easily saved this mans life.

“The net gun is not only limited to animal capture. Some law enforcement agencies throughout the US have adopted the net-2000 net gun for security purposes as in riot control and capturing fleeing suspects.”

But hell I guess that is not as satisfying as tasing or shooting shooting someone, especially someone who is mentaly unbalanced!


21 posted on 04/09/2013 7:17:49 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Altariel

Sounds like he was being successfully talked down until the cops arrived and inflamed the situation. What a waste.


22 posted on 04/09/2013 8:01:18 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Mastador1

A pity the neighbor was not permitted to continue to calm the man down.


23 posted on 04/09/2013 8:07:31 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Preserving life and working to restore someone to mental health and dignity are good things.

Murder should not be condoned or defended simply because a government employee holds the gun.

The only being who should be cheering about situations like this is the Father of Lies.


24 posted on 04/09/2013 8:10:29 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

It sounds like the neighbor was successfully talking to him.

It wasn’t until *after* the neighbor was ordered to leave that things went sour.

It sounds to me like (gasp) private citizens who genuinely love and care for their neighbors have a better grasp of taking care of their neighbors and community than do government employees.

Fancy that.


25 posted on 04/09/2013 8:12:06 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

On the one hand I totally agree with you, but I have to accept that the police would have been held liable if they did allow it and the guy soaked in gas lit himself up and killed or injured the good samaritans.


26 posted on 04/09/2013 8:14:22 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Autonomous User

Your response is more in line with progressive thought-—let the state terminate citizens whom it deems fit for termination.

Why are you so against the man’s neighbor continuing to calm him down? Why are you against an individual privately helping an individual?

Why are you justifying the actions of the Agents of the State?


27 posted on 04/09/2013 8:14:24 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
If someone is coming at me with scissors, and doesn’t stop, I would shoot.

I think anybody would, given that situation. The problem I have with this thing is that didn't have to happen. This guy's neighbor had calmed down his dog, then him, got the bulk of the threat removed (with the help of the Firemen) and cleaned up. What's the first thing the Police did? Kicked out the neighbor. Escalated the tensions. I'm sure they have a policy that demanded it, like liability concerns.

28 posted on 04/09/2013 8:14:49 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That’s, coincidentally, a good cure for parking violation scofflaws as well.


29 posted on 04/09/2013 8:18:27 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Mastador1

Given that he was talking with the neighbor without incident prior to the arrival of the police, it is safe to assume that, since he clearly trusted and respected his neighbor, that trend would continue.

Neighbors who care for and look out for each other trump a “professional” government employee “who knows how to handle such delicate situations” every time.


30 posted on 04/09/2013 8:19:19 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Mastador1
On the one hand I totally agree with you, but I have to accept that the police would have been held liable if they did allow it and the guy soaked in gas lit himself up and killed or injured the good samaritans.

That's likely the case. But, is there no liability for the guy who did die? Or is he worthless because he was threatening the suicide thing? If the effect of a policy that forces the police to vacate the neighbor is on-the-spot execution by cops, then somebody needs to review that policy.

31 posted on 04/09/2013 8:23:22 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Altariel

I am not disagreeing with you at all , i am just recognizing that there are liability issues that cities and police departments must look at, especially in the shyster sue happy era we live in and i don’t think the police carry liability release forms with them. I take greater issue with the lack of non lethal choices that are used by the police. There seems to be a ton of money automatic weapons, but in this situation no officer had a bean bag gun, taser or as I said in a earlier post a net gun. With more and more unbalanced individuals in our society there has to be more non lethal tools. I’m tired of reading about mentally ill people being beaten to death or shot because there is not proper tools available.


32 posted on 04/09/2013 8:28:44 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Cyber Liberty

At that point the guy would have been taken to the hospital for a suicide attempt.He probably didn’t want to go and that’s when the police intervened.


33 posted on 04/10/2013 5:51:07 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Altariel

the police could not leave—even if the neighbor “calmed him down” if there was a call for and evidence of attempted suicide. The police are mandated to take him to a hospital and at that point the guy IS going to the hospital escorted by police. To do that, the police probably “ordered” the neighbor to leave when the neighbor may have said, “Its ok, he’s calmed down now.”

I still back the police on this. You can not leave someone just there that is suicidal...The police would not have been doing their job to get the person tot he hospital.


34 posted on 04/10/2013 5:54:31 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Parking scofflaws don’t usually threaten anyone with a weapon, but any that do deserve the same fate.


35 posted on 04/10/2013 6:22:08 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Altariel

You should have been there. You could have handled it perfectly, and healed the man so he sinned no more.


36 posted on 04/10/2013 6:22:43 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

And they clearly failed in their own mandate. There is no reason not to seek out the neighbor’s help, given his willingness to help out his neighbor and friend, in further calming the victim down so he can be taken to a hospital for treatment.

The neighbor clearly had a better handle on the situation:

“A neighbor, Ray Wuest, saw firefighters arrive and went to help. He said he has known Dixon more than a decade and — unlike firefighters at the scene — was not intimidated by a pit bull named Chico in the window.

Wuest said he went inside to try to talk to Dixon.

Dixon sat at the kitchen table, he said, with gas spilled all around and on him, smoking a cigarette.

Wuest said he took the cigarette, then went outside to ask firefighters whether they had something to mop up the gas. He said he went back in to clean it up. After he did, the police arrived and insisted he leave. “

Perhaps therein lies the answer-—a private citizen was doing their job better than they did. We can’t have that.

Asking the neighbor to leave allowed the police to escalate the situation privately. No non-government employee witnesses, save the victim.


37 posted on 04/10/2013 7:33:33 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

And that is another reason the neighbor should not have been ordered out.

The victim clearly trusted and respected his neighbor; his neighbor stood a greater chance of helping him see the importance of going to a hospital.


38 posted on 04/10/2013 7:34:49 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You seem to be bothered by the notion that preserving life and working to restore someone to mental health and dignity are good things.

Murder should not be condoned or defended simply because a government employee holds the gun.

The only being who should be cheering about situations like this is the Father of Lies.

It is he who does not see the value and inherent dignity of men as image bearers of God.

When government employees fail to view their employers as having the same dignity, they serve the will of the Father of Lies.

When people cheer on the murder of someone claiming to be suicidal, they also serve his will. The Enemy delights in death and destruction.


39 posted on 04/10/2013 7:38:30 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel; Revolting cat!

Nobody had a rock to stop his attack?


40 posted on 04/11/2013 1:55:56 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Slings and Arrows

They could’v let him keep running with the scissors and let nature take its course.


41 posted on 04/11/2013 1:56:39 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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