Skip to comments.San Joaquin deputies still on the hunt for killer dogs (More than 160 goats, some chickens killed)
Posted on 04/26/2013 5:57:15 PM PDT by Selene
FRENCH CAMP, Calif. (KCRA) San Joaquin County sheriff's deputies are still on the hunt for a pack of wild dogs believed to be responsible for nearly 200 livestock deaths
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160 goats killed in one night. That is some massive carnage.
The dogs can’t be found.
French Camp is not exactly way out in the country.
If it had been GA the livestock owner would have opened up on the dogs with a shotgun and it would have been over pretty quick.
Owner saw the pack, but in Kalifornia he could not be armed. Matter of fact, he had to look for shelter, himself.
Wise move on his part.
“Being at all times armed” turns out to be as valid now as in the time of the Founders.
I wonder...are the dogs all feral, or do they ‘acquire’ temporary pack members let out at night by unsuspecting owners, unaware their dogs lead double lives.
I mention this only because there have been instances where some dogs captured during such killings turn out to be pets.
Ex-Ochlocknee Ga boy has seen it several times. Wildlife authorities are trouble, not help. Wild dogs attacked in broad daylight once and I killed 5. They ran towards my brothers land and then I heard 5 more shots. The rest stayed away for months; the intense noise and howling put some fear into the wild dogs. Even if an ewe gets a minor bite on the head or neck, it dies of dog bite infection.
My father in law raises sheep. Anyway the standard MO is you shoot dogs on site on the property. They get in time to time and usually we catch em in the act. Gun em down and if they have tags we sue the owners for damages and always get paid. Anyway one year he stopped counting at 170 kills by august. That was one bad year though. Common problem for livestock owners. In VA you can react.
Where do you get that crap that you can't be armed in CA? I, and all of my friends and relatives, are armed to the teeth and will stay that way, and would damn well shoot at any pack of killer dogs we noticed killing live stock.
As in Virginia, same in Washington State. Shoot on sight!
I bet it was La Chupacabra!
I live in Florida, where concealed carry is a “must issue” issue.
Many CCW permit holders here carry always. Had that man been carrying, his situation would have been far different.
I wish you the best in your fight to save Kalifornia and your guns.
PS Wouldn’t you agree that a Saiga 12 with a few 12 round stick magazines would have been preferable to the situation that man found himself in?
Even a handgun would have been better than looking for a fence to cower behind.
Or have I misunderstood his situation?
Fifi can go Cujo when the pack runs.
Another great reason to confine your dogs.
[But I can’t even fathom people who *don’t*...they care nothing for their dogs’ welfare?]
Makes ya wonder.
That’s an insane total for one night.
Could also be dingos!
[were any babies eaten?]
My sister has one. Every dog on the block bows and scrapes to her. :-) They are great protectors.
Just what biologists call a “killing frenzy”.
Means predators kill until exhausted or no more live prey.
PS Bureau-scientists, AKA Agency-Scientists, prefer “surplus kill”. Sounds ever so much more innocuous.
It is not illegal to own handguns, shotguns or rifles in CA. Some counties it is remarkably easy to get a ccw, I have one and many of my friends do also. Some counties it is impossible to get one. However, you can still own them and carry one outside on your own property to dispatch wild dogs or whatever.
Oh, and just to clarify, I wasn’t responding to the fact he didn’t have a gun, but to your assertion he couldn’t get one in CA. That is simply not true. CCWs on the other hand, as I have mentioned, are almost impossible to get in one of the blue counties.
*Nothing* violates their perimeter.
I’m amazed by their “breed mix” list, which is seriously unlikely but they’d best end this problem ASAP.
I have 2 goats and the thought of dogs slaughtering them enrages me.
That’s why their fence is 5’ tall and has barbed wire on the top.
Other than mountain lions jumping from nearby trees, they’re pretty safe.
[that and people don’t let dogs run loose here]
>> I mention this only because there have been instances where some dogs captured during such killings turn out to be pets.
Interesting, but difficult to see that happening with the more intelligent, loyal breeds.
We have a Golden Retriever that has a high prey drive. He has killed birds and small animals that have wandered into our back garden. He goes nuts every time deer graze in the meadow behind our house. My cats are literally scared of him, so he isn’t allowed in the house proper, but lives in the sunroom connected via French glass doors to the house. He does like people and is sociable with other dogs. No doubt he would make a great hunting dog, as long as he doesn’t eat the ducks he’s sent to retrieve!
My other dog is an English Springer Spaniel and she is a sweety. The cats all adore her and she loves them right back. She, too, would make a great hunting dog, flushing birds.
Is this dog a Marema?
Put an alpha male in the mix and all bets are off. I had a red coon hound who would pick up an "entourage" at night. I found out because I was on the way to the school bus when a pack came out of the woods and headed right for me. I recognized my pet and hollered his name - he almost rubbed his balls off sliding on the road to stop and the others stopped with him - mostly pets from the neighborhood. I fear that if I hadn't known the leader, it might not have gone well. We started chaining him at night.
Alas, CCW is the essential part of how the individual citizen is able to “keep tyranny in check”, as a Founder nicely said. Those people knew tyranny never rests, and whether it was government, Indians (now Muslims), or wild animals - in all cases, immediate armed response was their choice, and they wrote the Constitution to reflect that.
Only a handgun carried regularly can provide ability to suppress tyranny before it is imposed. That goat flock owner can verify the validity and accuracy of the above.
Lastly, ask yourself why I can have 30 & 40 round magazines and you can’t? Ditto for detachable magazine fed shotguns, and sooo many other examples of creeping communism expressed in gun regulations.
We all wish you the best of luck rolling back your state from its seemingly last swirl down the toilet of collectivism.
I’ve heard that Tibetan Mastiffs are pretty awesome, too. We had a Newfie and a half-Newfie. They were divine dogs. BTW, how’s your puppy doing?
A few weeks ago my sister’s next door neighbor had a pittbull run into his yard and attack their kid’s pet goat Ivey. He ran out and shot it but it had savaged poor Ivey beyond help so he had to shoot her too. What a mess!! The dog had a tag so he is going to look into suing the owners if they can find them. The poor little boy witnessed the whole thing.
What a pity.
The bottom of my fence is anchored.
Have to...the goats use the fence to scratch their butts on.
ALL dogs are wolves at heart.
That is the #1 reason why owners fail their dogs and the dogs get in trouble.
They forget that.
Yes, they are.
She’s doing very well, thank you..:)
Most states have dog/livestock laws so it shouldn’t be a problem to recoup the momentary loss but the emotional loss is another thing.
She could also check “animal trespass laws” for her state.
Ours covers everything from cats to cows.
Depending if the tag is a rabies tag, it can be traced through the county’s records.
Where I live that was a huge problem. Owners had no idea fluffy was running the country side with other dogs and killing calves. My dad had a real problem with one ladies dog that was actually the pack leader. Dad tried to discuss it with her repeatedly but she was so deep in denial, no way was her dog chasing my dad’s cattle.
One morning my hubby got a shot off at fluffy, he fell as if dead then got up, the wounded dog ran straight to her house and we followed him. I knocked on the door and asked her if that was her dog. Yep it was her dog and we were the bad guys after my dad had talked to her about it many, many times. Her dog survived but I had to threaten to kick her butt to make her quit screaming at my dad and hubby.
I once had a case where a pack of dogs in French Camp got into a pasture with a couple hundred sheep and drove them into such a frenzy that they broke the fence down. The sheep got out and wandered onto the railroad tracks, and when the train came through it left over a hundred mangled sheep carcasses strewn down the tracks. Locals were stopping and throwing chunks of meat into their trunks for dinner the next day. The SJ Sheriff photos were gruesome! This was back in the early 1990s.
Had to move out of state, sold a car and buyer took the dog too. Worked out good!
Love the Pyreneesies!
Had a dairy goat herd when living in Texas, about 40 strong.
Got a Komondor to protect the herd, and my small kids. (LOL the human kind)
Worked good for both jobs.
Put the pup in with the goats when it was young, and brought it up with them, switching off with around the kids a lot.
Their dreadlocks protect them from attacks from predators, although usually they just have to stare them away.
Komondors make *me* go away.
[their fur makes me feel itchy, just looking at them]
Really amazing dogs, though.
Not for apartment dwelling couch potatoes.
They *need* to herd and guard.
I used to work with a guy at my plant in Detroit until he was transferred to another plant in shelbyville, KY.
He and his wife bought a nice house in the country as well as two huskys. Unfortunately he chose not to have a fenced in yard and the two dogs ended up killing one of his neighbor's cows.
Really stupid on his part because not only did he have to pay for the cow but he had to put down the dogs as well.......
My fence is insanely secure [it’s fences within fences, really] and exists to protect the outside world from my dogs and vice versa.
I *must* have a fence.
When I moved here, planting fence happened before getting indoor plumbing.
[very old 18th century house]
I told you...
Yes, i guess you did...
ditto here, ranch country in California. there aren't any wild dogs running around our ranches, none, and damn few coyotes. shoot on sight and its perfectly legal, even encouraged by the wildlife officers.
anyone out driving on the ranch has a .223 in the truck and it gets used. also, we have hog hunting dogs, they are warriors and will kill any wild dog they can catch, and they catch pretty good
wild hogs now, that's a different story. they are everywhere, but they don't bother the livestock.