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Posted on 05/14/2013 8:26:16 AM PDT by MacNaughton
Sometime during the week of May 20, about 1,400 delegates representing Boy Scout troops from across the country will gather in Texas and vote on a proposed policy that, if passed, would allow openly homosexual boys to be Scouts while continuing a ban on homosexual leaders. Most conservative Christians oppose the proposal, so the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) have engaged a high-profile advisor to help them make their case: Ralph Reed.
WORLD learned that Reed, founder of the Christian Coalition and now president of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, has arranged meetings and conference calls between Christian conservative leaders and BSA officials who support the pro-gay resolution. According to John Stemberger, founder of OnMyHonor.Net, a group opposed to the policy change, After the introduction is made, the BSA officials try to convince these top conservative evangelical leaders to support the resolution by finding friendly media venues to discuss it.
Reed confirmed in a phone conversation with me that he had arranged conference calls in an attempt to be a peacemaker in the process. He said he had not personally participated in the calls and acknowledged he is paid a small retainer by the Boy Scouts. Reed would not disclose the amount of his fee except to characterize it as de minimus. [I would] deeply resent any implication that I am helping this policy to pass. he added. I am on record opposing a change in the current policy. Period.
Stemberger, though, called Reeds comment doubletalk. Regardless of Reeds intention, Stemberger said, these calls could not help but further the resolution.
Among the conference calls Reed has set up, one was between the BSA and executives at Salem Communications, the largest Christian radio company in the country. Salem executives had no comment on the content of those calls but published a short editorial statement that aired on most of Salems approximately 100 radio stations. Read by Dr. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., and a member of Salems editorial board, the statement said in part:
The central authorities of the Boy Scouts of America have announced yet another compromise position on how they propose to deal with the issue of homosexual leaders and Scouts. This came just a year after the Boy Scouts insisted that it would stand behind its ban on openly gay scouts and scouting leaders. But then, earlier this year, they floated a compromise policy amounting to a local option for troops. After the outrage from that proposal, the new proposed policy will require all troops to accept boys without regard to sexual orientation, but they will retain an outright ban on openly homosexual adults serving as scout leaders. As one mother said, I knew they would try to split the baby in the end. And thats exactly what they have attempted to do again. In the end, it will please no one.
UPDATE: In an email to WORLD, Ralph Reed stressed my 43-year involvement in the Boy Scouts, the fact that I am an Eagle Scout, [and] the fact that I sit on the executive board of one of the most respected local councils in the country [the North Georgia Council of the Boy Scouts ( incorrect it is either the Northeast Georgia Council or the Northwest Georgia Council)]. He said his role was to facilitate a dialogue. Neither Reed nor the Boy Scouts would say how much the organization is paying Reed.
The answer, Ralphie, is just, plain .. no.
Disproportionately high levels of depression, mental illness, substance abuse, smoking, etc.
Can someone tell me while we destroy another institution exactly what these wonderful gay would-be scouts are bringing to the table other than pathology?
May as well change their name to Wandervogel.
no peacemaker needed, most scouts and their parents do not want homosexual men who re obviously attracted to other males to be left alone and be teaching or be around their boys.
They have mental illnesses, depression, drug use, can’t seem to keep their penis on their pants, hence why so many dog parks, walking trails, public bathrooms, etc are used by these people
If they allow gay scouts, it’s only a matter of time before that extends to allowing gay Scout leaders.
Excellent response. Where else but FR will you find informed citizens. The upcoming vote appears to be very close. Conservatives may yet prevail in the vote on 5/23/2013, but the barbarians are at the gate.
19221945 - The Wandervoegel movement became the core of the Hitler-Jugend (HJ, Hitler Youth). The HJ was the 2nd oldest paramilitary Nazi group (after the SA). The Boy Scout movement and the Jünglingsverein, the German equivalent of the YMCA, were banned in Germany in 1934-35 and the HJ absorbed many of their members. The HJ appropriated many of scoutings activities, but changed its content and intention. The Evangelische Jugend, a Lutheran youth organization of 600,000 members, was integrated into the HJ on 2/18/1934 (The Lutheran Church was the state church of Germany at that time.). Membership in the HJ was seen as an important stepping stone to future membership in the elite Schutzstaffel (SS, Protection Squadron or defense corps). By DEC 1936, HJ membership stood at just over 5 million. That same month, HJ membership became mandatory for Aryans. From then on, most of Germany's teenagers belonged to the HJ. By 1940, it had 8 million members. Most of the adult supervisors of the HJ were also Sturmabteilung (SA, Storm Detachment or Assault Division, also referred to as Brownshirts). The SA functioned as the original paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party. SA officers were almost exclusively homosexual. Ernst Röhm was a co-founder of the SA and later its commander. He was a notorious open homosexual. Adolf Hitler personally arrested Röhm and ordered the arrest of other SA leaders on 6/30/1934 in a plot to eliminate them, not because of their homosexuality, but as rivals to his consolidation of power. Historians later called this political purge, The Night of the Long Knives. They were all executed in prisons on 7/02/1934. Homosexual activity continued on into the war years when HJ boys frequently became victims of molestations at the hands of their SS tutors. The traditional scouting movement and YMCA were re-introduced in West Germany and Berlin after 1945. Today there are ~150 scouting associations in Germany.
early 1900s - In Central Europe (Austria/Hungary/Germany) an informal hiking and camping society of young men emerged in the Wandervoegel (Wandering Youth) movement. Its goal was to revive the ancient Greek ideal of pedagogic pederasty. A substantial number of the Wandervoegel leaders were known homosexuals.
This isn’t about scout leaders (for now). It’s about letting openly homosexual scouts join. Now I wonder what kind of young man would be open about his homosexuality in the first place. That sounds more like an advocate for a sexual perversion than someone who wants to scout. Even if said scout isn’t interested in pushing an agenda, who would want them camping with their children? Keep in mind we’re not talking about someone who is quietly dealing with homosexual tendencies. We’re talking about a young male who is openly homosexual.
Homosexuals have proven time and again how they cannot keep it in their pants, how they cannot shut up about their sexual life and they always seem to think the world is all about them.
The BSA has fought homos for years and now, all of a sudden, they seem to be wanting to let them in. What happened?
Follow the money.
But, that is the camel's nose under the fence.
Once the homo-boys are allowed in there will be a demand for "their own" scout leaders who really understand them.
My three sons all went through scouts and made it to Eagle.
Does anyone think I would like them to have been forced to be around a known homo-boy who is politically protected?
No complaints will be allowed when the homo-boys are going after the other non-homo boys.
DEC 2000 Matt Comer, aged 14, had his membership in a Winston-Salem, NC, Boy Scout troop revoked because he came out publically as a homosexual in high school. Comer said he 1st cautiously came out in middle school, telling his friends and family that he was gay. The following year, as a 14-year-old freshman at R.J. Reynolds High School, he experienced bullying and harassment in the halls, on school buses and in classrooms. In response he created a gay-straight alliance, SPEAK (Students Promoting Equality Awareness & Knowledge), a student club where lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and straight ally students could come together to discuss their experiences and work on projects to make school a safer place for all students. Comer said that at the same time he was months away from completing the requirements for the Eagle rank. It was then that he began to encounter resistance from his troop. One of my Scout leaders talked to me and said that the (Old Hickory) council would be voting on my membership status. It scared me and I didnt go back to any Scout meetings until December. The scoutmaster then told me that, If you choose to live that lifestyle, then you are choosing not to be a Boy Scout. According to Comer, Troop 715 did not follow the policy for dismissing a Scout, which called for discussions with a Scouts parents or family minister. He said those discussions never took place. Comer said that he was unable to determine exactly who decided on his dismissal from the Boy Scouts. Later he was told by former council scout executive Hal Murray that it must have been a troop decision.
Two years later on 10/12/2002, Comer helped organize and participated in a Scouting For All Rally at the Old Hickory Councils service center in Winston-Salem. The rally was held in conjunction with the National Rally Week of Scouting For All, a national effort to try to get the BSA to change its exclusive membership policy. The rally was sponsored by Replacements, Ltd. of Greensboro, NC, and the Unitarian-Universalist Fellowship of Winston-Salem. It took the form of a silent protest from 11 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. A closing reception was held at the Unitarian-Universalist church from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m. Wayne Brown, field director of the Old Hickory Council, declined to comment about the protest.
Due to family concerns, Matt Comer changed his last name to Hill during his college years. Now at age 26, he is an LGBTQ activist and the editor of QNotes, a Charlotte-based LGBTQ community newspaper. He is also the contributing author of Youth in Crisis: What Everyone Should Know About Growing Up Gay.
10/04/2012 It was reported in the news today that 17 year-old Life Scout Ryan Andresen (who was close to his 18th birthday) was recently denied the opportunity to apply for his Eagle Board of Review by the BSA National office and kicked out of Scouting. Ryan was a member of Troop 212 which is chartered to Moraga Valley Presbyterian Church (PCUSA) in Moraga, CA. The local council is the Mount Diablo Silverado Council (~15 miles east of San Francisco). BSA National spokesman Deron Smith read a statement that Andresen recently "notified his unit leadership and Eagle Scout Counselor that he does not agree to Scoutings principle of 'Duty to God' and does not meet Scoutings membership standard on sexual orientation. While the BSA did not proactively ask for this information, based on his statements and after discussion with his family he is being informed that he is no longer eligible for membership in Scouting. Ryan came out in July. His 52 year-old father, Eric Andresen, said the scoutmaster (SM) knew about Ryan's sexual orientation and the family had no idea he wouldn't sign off on the paperwork. Eric Andresen resigned as the troop committee chairman after it was confirmed that Ryan wouldn't receive the award. The district advancement chairman wrote on an internet scouting forum that (1) after meeting Ryan to approve his Eagle Service Project (ESP) he suspected Ryan was homosexual but did not inquire, (2) the ESP proposal was unusual but was approved, (3) the SM was young and inexperienced with a young family whose boys were not yet Scouting age, (4) the entire local volunteer scouting community was in an uproar that Ryan was treated unjustly, (5) the SM moved out of his home to a undisclosed temporary location because of threats, (6) Ryans troop had a reputation for hazing, and (7) he thought someone either on the troop committee or from within the church reported Ryan to the local council office. Ryan's ESP, a "tolerance wall," was inspired by the years of hazing he endured in middle school and later at Boy Scout summer camp, where his nicknames were "Tinkerbell" and "faggot." Ryan worked at the local middle school to organize an art project for Respect All Differences Day, which has an anti-bullying theme. Students created 288 tiles expressing "kindnesses," which he used to create a mural that was mounted on a wall by the school library. His mother, Karen Andresen, a 49 year-old stay-at-home mother of 3, said Ryan entered the Cub Scouts when he was 6 years old and in no way knew what he was. Karen Andresen was so upset by BSAs decision that she posted a petition on Change.org. "It was not his idea, it was mine," she said. In the petition, Andresen cited the merit badge -- "Citizenship in the Community
[It] means standing up for what is right, and I am proud of Ryan for doing just that," she wrote. "Will you stand with him, too?" Many scouts and scouters across the land voiced their support of Ryan. Six days after the story broke, Ryan appeared on The Ellen DeGeneres Show to tell his story. She presented him a U.S.$20,000 check for a college scholarship.
I'm sure that influence pervaded in the Hitler Youth.
You can bet the first thing that will happen is that the “morally straight” part of the Scout Oath goes bye bye.
Few parents are going to expose their children to this risk. This is the end of the scouting movement. All that's left are street gangs.
The proposed policy of allowing gay scouts but banning gay scout leaders is nothing more than an incremental step to allow gay scout leaders. Allowing gay scouts will please the homosexual lobby because the next step is obvious.
Everytime one "discusses" something it assumes there is at least some merit in the other sides position. In the case of Sodomites having access to normal healthy boys there is no MERIT in that position. Indeed giving them access to boys would have been a crime in the pre 1950's through 1960's.
So the leadership of the BSA has gone homo? Letting openly gay scouts in so they can abuse in perfect freedom.
Looks like it’s time for BSA to clean house at the national level. These people have ALREADY violated the oath!
Absolutely. After a homosexual-identifying scout grows up in the organization and wants to move into leadership, it's only one lawsuit away.
Look at the past connections between Ralph Reed, Jack Abramoff and Grover Norquist.
The kid is seventeen today and a scout.
He turns 18 today and becomes an assistant scoutmaster.
It happens a lot in big, strong troops
Sodomy is so serious a character flaw that the Good Lord himself decreed death for its practioners. Christ would have merely added the proviso regarding an opportunity to REPENT(stopping the practice.)In my youth homosexual sodomy was a crime. Under financial pressure in our state the greedy representatives decriminalized the vice.
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The Girl Scouts went to the dark side years ago. You knew the Boy Scouts would follow, right? Home school and found new programs for kids. Raise your children the way you want, not what the way the world dictates.
My gaydar just exploded with that pic.
Shame on Ralph Reed.
Another movement to pave the way for the sodomites to have access to other people’s young boys. Seem to do well for the Catholic Church so now let the coprophiliacs work their disgusting deviance on a new crowd of boys. Satan and Sandusky must be smiling.
I guess the homos are pushing their agenda through the children.
I don’t ever recall sexuality being a factor for any of my childhood activities. The entire issue of qualifying juvenile sexuality should be pulled off the table. It’s completely inappropriate in a traditional, moral sense as far as I’m concerned.
BSA should not be responsible for identifying and isolating children using sexual criteria.
Any homo org that insists on pushing its agenda through the kids should be figuratively kicked in the teeth.
>> BSA officials who support the pro-gay resolution
Fight these “pro-gay”, sexually obsessed scumbags.
I honestly don’t think a teen is capable of making the decision to be gay. The gay Scout in my troop has gone back to being hetero.
F’ed up family life has him all confused.
Honestly, I’d rather know than not know. Hidden gay scout leaders have plagued Boy Scouts forever.
Just remember, Jerry Sandusky was married to a woman, a lot of the perverts are not going to come out and say they’re gay.
Yeah, it’s a mess. The two-deep leadership keeps the molestations away.
If a Scout tells me he is gay, I assume he just wants attention. Most of the “gay” Scout leaders I have encountered have been women. They like the butch uniform.
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What is it with these RINOs? Have their brains been taken over by tapeworms or something? The only way a person could think faggots in the Boy Scouts is a good idea are sexual perverts or people so dead to truth they're as good as perverts themselves. Freepmail me if you want on/off either pinglist.
Show me any openly homosexual boy and I'll show you one who, no way in hell, can keep the "morally straight" part of the scout oath.
A teenager confused about his sexuality and able to keep it on the shelf for a few years until he matures, maybe. An open homosexual, no way.
They don't belong in the Boy Scouts for the same reason they don't belong in the military-- because they can't STFU about it.
Tell me how long I would last in private industry if I went about proclaiming how much I enjoyed hetrosexual sex, in the missionary position, and needed to get it at least 2-4 times per week.
1980 - The Human Rights Campaign (HRC) was founded. It is the largest LGBTQ equality-rights advocacy group and political lobbying organization in the U.S.
2002 The Human Rights Campaign (HRC) published its 1st Corporate Equality Index. It is a tool to rate American businesses on their treatment of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender employees, consumers and investors. The Corporate Equality Index chooses companies to rank, and rates them on a scale of 0 to 100 based on flexible criteria grounded in the "10 principles" of the Equality Project.
Many companies are pressured to change policies that have earned them a poor score on the index, due to bad press. This has led to a competitive atmosphere among businesses to stay current in the latest LGBT-related inclusive policies. Larger corporations are much more likely to change LGBT-related policies as a result of the index than small or medium companies are. The Human Rights Campaign focuses on larger companies in the CEI, so smaller businesses are subject to little public backlash due to the efforts of the Human Rights Campaign and the index.
The 2012 HRC CQI report rated 636 companies of which 190 scored 100 %. Eighty-eight of the Fortune 500 companies received perfect scores - which was even more rigorous this time around because the top rating required employers to extend health insurance coverage without exclusions to transgender employees. The 1 glaring exception to this trend remained Irving (TX)-based ExxonMobil. It was the only company to get a negative rating in the index, out of 636 that were scored, including all those on the Fortune 500 list. By comparison, half of the companies in the top 20 of the Fortune 500 list received perfect scores.
1. Randall Stephenson, CEO of AT&T, based in Dallas, TX (same metropolitan area as the BSA National HQ, i.e., Irving). He currently sits on the BSA National Executive Committee and is expected to be elected BSA National (volunteer) President in 2014. He came out in support of homosexuals in BSA in the summer of 2012. AT&T scored a 100 on the 2012 HRC Corporate Equality Index.
2. James Turley, CEO of Ernst & Young, sits on the BSA National Executive Committee. He voiced his support for homosexuals in the BSA in the summer of 2012. E&Y scored a 100 on the 2012 HRC Corporate Equality Index (for the 6th consecutive year).
3. Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon, curently sits on the BSA National Executive Committee and is the immediate past National (volunteer) President. He has worked actively behind the scene to convince conservative church Scouting organizations to support homosexuals in Scouting.
hate to say it,
but if BSA adopts anything pro-gay,
they are dead to me, and FUBS.
Of course, they will be dead to any decent parent. What parent in their right mind would turn a young boy over to members of a lifestyle so consistent in their goals and performance of same-sex child rape? Child abuse and sexual harrassment of children by queers is simply becoming the law of the land.
Spot on! But it will be exceedling hard to accomplish. Only 1 BSA Chief Scout Executive, Alden Barber in 1976, of the 12 to date over the 103 years of the BSA, has been pushed out of office by the volunteers. That was due to a massive membership scandal. At a minimum, the following members of the BSA National leadership should be purged ...
1. Chief Scout Executive Wayne Brock
2. National President Wayne Perry, co-owner of MLB Seattle Mariners
3. National Commissioner "Tico" Perez, partner of Edge Public Affairs 4. National Executive Committee member Randall Stephenson, CEO AT&T
5. National Executive Committee member James Turley, CEO Ernst & Young
6. National Executive Committee member and past National President Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon
Very disapointed in Ralph Reed. Another conservative in name only, or in other words, an Establishment Republican.
BSA has had and continues to have too much sexual child abuse in it. BSA kept secret “perversion files” on leaders who got caught. The files include teenage leaders also.
The L.A. Times newspaper released the list here:
I looked up an individual I suspected in my troop back when I was a Boy Scout in the late 1960’s-early ‘70s and he was in the files. He went on molesting Scouts for another decade until he was caught.
If BSA National already don’t know it, they will find out that Cub Scout Packs and Boy Scout Troops here in the Deep, Deep South that are sponsored by churches will disband if gays are allowed.
OCT 1991 GS-USA national stated in a letter:
As a private organization, Girl Scouts of the U.S.A. respects the values and beliefs of each of its members and does not intrude into personal matters. Therefore, there are no membership policies on sexual preference. However, Girl Scouts of the U.S.A. has firm standards relating to the appropriate conduct of adult volunteers and staff. The Girl Scout organization does not condone or permit sexual displays of any sort by its members during Girl Scout activities, nor does it permit the advocacy or promotion of a personal lifestyle or sexual preference. These are private matters for girls and their families to address.
2/09/1993 In Lansing, MI, the GS-USA fired heterosexual employee Brenda Mailand after she refused to sign the following pledge: As an employee of the Michigan Capitol Girl Scout Council, you may not proactively inform members, parents of members, prospective members or parents of prospective members, or members of the general public (including media) of the Councils and GSUSAs position on sexual orientation.
10/23/1993 Delegates at the GS-USA national convention in Minneapolis, MN, voted 1,560 to 375 to allow girls to change their pledge of service to the spiritual power of their conscience - or none at all.
1997 - Nancy Manahans book, On My Honor: Lesbians Reflect on Their Scouting Experiences, was published. On My Honor included an essay titled All I Really Need to Know About Being a Lesbian I Learned at Girl Scout Camp. In a 2000 National Review Online editorial (10/23/2000, National Review magazine) titled The Cookie Crumbles, author Kathryn Jean Lopez wrote that the book was filled with coming-of-age stories sparked by gay encounters in the Girl Scouts. Lopez further reported that staffers contributing stories to the book claim that roughly 1 in 3 of the Girls Scouts paid professional staff is lesbian.
2009 GS-USA radically overhauled its program. Their older youth manuals were re-written to include environmental and feminist doctrines and proclaimed some historical female role models who were communists and/or lesbians. Religion and patriotism were de-emphasized. Planned Parenthood materials were also included.
6/03/2012 A Catholic News Agency article accused the GS-USA of having filled their National Leadership Team and Board of Directors with unwavering ideologues whose careers, non-profit work and philanthropic choices reflect a hefty commitment to liberal causes same-sex marriage, gay and lesbian rights, abortion rights, comprehensive sex education and girl power feminism. Their liberal ideology drives everything from program materials to themes to partnerships even their view of leadership. Its who they are. And its who the Girl Scouts organization has become.
1919 - British Scout Commissioner William de Bois Maclaren bought the dilapidated Chinnery estate north of London in Sewardstonebury, Epping Forest, close to Chingford, for £7,000. He spent an additional £3,000 for improvements to the house that was on the estate. He donated all of it to the Scout Association of the U.K. to provide a camping ground for London scouts and a training site for scouters. It was re-named Gilwell Park. The 1st Wood Badge course was held at GP during 9/08-19/1919. Wood Badge training continued at GP, and it became the home of leadership training in the Scout movement. During the early 1920s there were several officially reported incidents of adult male volunteers sexually molesting male youth campers at GP.
I'm so glad my family is raised. My youngest is in the 30s. We enjoyed Scouts so much; and we could sit down and prepare our youth to prepare to coexist with people with whom we disagreed -- not be mean to them, but not to have to give them the stamp of approval, either, or fear persecution if you rebuffed their advances, socially or personally.
Everyone in my field of work in the arts knew plenty of gay people and we worked out ways to get along with mutual respect. Not any more. Now you risk a public pilloring and lawsuits just for being true to the religion that founded this nation.
Don't give up just yet. This will be a fight down to the wire, and will continue after the 5/23/2013 vote regardless of how the vote goes. If the vote goes for allowing homosexual youth members, there will be a schism. All conservatives who support Scouting will be needed to launch the new Scouting program and shake the dust of BSA off their sandals.
I didn’t give up. I said “IF”. “IF”.
Please provide the executive summary on their relationships.
contact Margaret Caldwell if you are in the SF Bay area/Northern CA to make you opposition to any wiff of gayness in the scouts known.