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Why a late arriving tornado season is a bad thing
Weather data [unusually Cool Spring] | 5-21-2013 | Vanity

Posted on 05/21/2013 6:29:09 AM PDT by topher

The Gulf of Mexico's warm air is part of the ingredient for tornado alley in the US. The other ingredient in this mix is cool/cold Canadian air.

The United States was blessed with very few tornadoes in March and April of 2013.

But the United States was going through an extendeded cold spell this Spring.

How cold? Living in Louisiana, the mosquitoes seemed to be blown into the Gulf of Mexico [by a frigid Northernly wind] as fish food most of this Spring. There have been very few mosquitoes bugging us this Spring [so far].

But now the bad news: for the tornado season to start in mid-May/late-May is a very bad thing. Why? Because the days are much longer in late May than they are in late March/early April.

The heating of the sun helps to provide energy for thunderstorms.

Tornado alley is an area where warm air from the Gulf of Mexico streaming North to clash with Canadian air streaming down to the South.

Since daytime heating is longer right now, there is the threat of the tornadoes for a longer period than there would be in late March/early April.

It seems like the days are considerably longer right now than when they were in late March (around Easter Sunday). Hence, a longer day means that more heat is generated for thunderstorms in the afternoon hours.

Without access to the weather data, it is unclear if having longer daytime heating will make these storms stronger.

Apparently, the US Weather Service has been lulled to sleep by the long cool spell this Spring.

Unfortunately, it may have taken the deaths of about 20 school children in Moore, Oklahoma to wake them up...


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The bottom line here is that this is my opinion.

But it is a fact that thunderstorms are caused by daytime heating. That heating will go on for a longer period of time when the days are longer.

Hence, when Tornado Alley has a late arriving season, red flags should be flying...

1 posted on 05/21/2013 6:29:09 AM PDT by topher
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To: topher

Good news this morning. Death toll to revised much lower due to double counting.


2 posted on 05/21/2013 6:40:16 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: topher

Also has plenty to do with cool Canadian air meeting with the gulf air loaded with moisture. Right now it still feels like winter in SD. Forty degrees and the coldest April in years. Oh It’s almost June, and it’s still cold.


3 posted on 05/21/2013 6:41:05 AM PDT by wita
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To: topher

http://www.calendar-365.com/calendar/

The length of day on March 31 was 12h 38m. The length of day today will be 14h 38m

The length of day March 31 last year was 12h 41m

The length of day May 21 of last year was 14h 40m

Your hypothesis makes no science sense.

There is a scientific reason for longer days this time of year. It is called “Summer.” But it happens every year, amazingly, at this same time.


4 posted on 05/21/2013 6:43:14 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: wita

Lots warmer here in SW WI, but still too wet to till the garden. Ground is squishy, but not as bad as some years I recall, when it was like walking on Jello.

April and May were both colder than has been the rule for the past 10 years or so, but it is not out of line for what I recall of the 70s.


5 posted on 05/21/2013 6:49:51 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: topher

What is the difference in longer days preceded by cooler weather and longer days preceded by warmer weather.This does not seem to make sense.A cooler spring just means a later start for tornado season, no? The greater heating on longer days is the same.


6 posted on 05/21/2013 6:50:40 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: freedumb2003
There is a scientific reason for longer days this time of year. It is called “Summer.” But it happens every year, amazingly, at this same time.

This guy reminds me of my mother who, as a young girl growing up in the 1920's, couldn't figure out how the May beetles always knew the date so that they could turn into June bugs exactly on the first day of June.

Of course, grandpa would never tell her the secret.

7 posted on 05/21/2013 6:51:26 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (Liars use facts when the truth doesn't suit their purposes.)
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To: freedumb2003
The length of the day in Duluth, Minnesota on June 22nd is considerably longer than the length of the day in Brownsville, Texas on June 22nd.

As the sun moves further north during the summer months, the says are longer in the northern hemisphere.

The days are considerably shorter in the southern hemisphere in the summer months.

The short of this: in the summer, the sun travels farther and farther above the equator until the first day of summer is the longest day in the northern hemisphere.

8 posted on 05/21/2013 7:04:59 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: arthurus
Put a kettle on a stove. Turn the heat on for 30 minutes.

Now, if you put the same kettle on the stove, and heat for 2 hours, the amount of heat the kettle is exposed to is four times as long.

The number of BTU's would vary, depending on factors.

But if the length of the day is 16 hours instead of 13 hours, there are still 3 more hours that the air can be heated by the sun.

9 posted on 05/21/2013 7:07:45 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

The cool air from the north meeting warm air of the south is the main culprit. If it were the length of day time, Alaska would be the center of the universe for twisters.


10 posted on 05/21/2013 7:08:21 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: topher

Tornado alley is an area where warm air from the Gulf of Mexico streaming North to clash with Canadian air streaming down to the South.


I hate to sound narcissistic, but as long as they don’t clash in Kentucky, I’m good. Sort of...


11 posted on 05/21/2013 7:09:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: topher
The bottom line is that the sun is a factor in heating for thunderstorms (though not the only factor).

A longer day means that there is more potential heat.

I have lived in South Minnesota and I have lived in South Texas.

The summer days in South Minnesota, I noticed are very long -- much longer than South Texas.

I imagine a place like Duluth, Minnesota would have a sunset very late on June 22th and a sunrise very early on the June 23rd. A very short night. And a very long day...

12 posted on 05/21/2013 7:11:55 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: wita
Also has plenty to do with cool Canadian air meeting with the gulf air loaded with moisture. Right now it still feels like winter in SD. Forty degrees and the coldest April in years. Oh It’s almost June, and it’s still cold.

Right. Storms happen when cold air meets warm, moisture-laden air. If we were getting Global Warming, then the North would be warmer, but the tropics would stay about the same. If we get global cooling then the temperature difference between the north and tropics will get wider, resulting in much more violent storm activity.

13 posted on 05/21/2013 7:12:31 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: topher

“It seems like the days are considerably longer right now than when they were in late March (around Easter Sunday). “

Are you sure? Source?

(kidding)


14 posted on 05/21/2013 7:12:34 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: freedumb2003

I think the larger part of the poster’s hypothesis is based on the fact that this year, vs last year, the cold has lingered much later into the season. That is surely true in this area (NOVA), where we rarely see 40 degree temps in mid-May, yet last week our temps ranged from 41 (overnight) to one day hitting 82, which is a more typical daytime temp here by mid to late May.

It sure doesn’t feel like Summer. It doesn’t even feel like Spring some days. This year our mid-day high temps have ranged primarily in the 60s. Throw in a couple extra hours of daylight, and the hypothesis isn’t so far out.


15 posted on 05/21/2013 7:14:19 AM PDT by EDINVA
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Apparently, the US Weather Service has been lulled to sleep by the long cool spell this Spring. Unfortunately, it may have taken the deaths of about 20 school children in Moore, Oklahoma to wake them up...

From what I could tell yesterday, there was ample warning from numerous outlets regarding the outbreak of severe weather. Yesterday's tragedy is due more to the violence of the storm than any perceived 'sleeping' on the part of NOAA. Nobody was asleep at the switch. It was just a horrible, horrible storm.

16 posted on 05/21/2013 7:14:57 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: wita

Stand by because there’s another cold front heading your way. We’re supposed to see a 15 to 20 degree drop in temps here in Reno overnight so I’m pretty sure that the same cooler air is headed east to meet up with some of that liquified air from the gulf. Mother nature at her nastiest could be rearing her head again in a couple of days in the plains states. If you have a shelter, use it.


17 posted on 05/21/2013 7:26:41 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: topher
Here are the Sunrise/Sunset times for Duluth, Minnesota and Brownsville, Texas for March 21, April 21, May 21, and June 21:

Duluth will be in blue since it is known for it cold weather.

Brownsville will be in green since it is known for it warm weather.

Duluth, MN June 21 - 5:14am - 9:06pm
Brownsville, TX June 21 - 6:38am - 8:23pm

Duluth, MN May 21 - 5:27am - 8:43pm
Brownsville, TX May 21 - 6:41am - 8:12pm

Duluth, MN April 21 - 6:11am - 8:04pm
Brownsville, TX April 21 - 7:02am - 7:56pm

Duluth, MN March 21 - 7:10am - 7:22pm
Brownsville, TX March 21 - 7:33am - 7:41pm

Note that Duluth has a day that is about 100 minutes longer on June 21 than Brownsville (~ 1 1/2 hours)

18 posted on 05/21/2013 7:30:15 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher
The information for the times is taken from the website:

sunrisesunset.com

19 posted on 05/21/2013 7:31:35 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

The bottom line here is a simple concept on the surface, that becomes extremely complex in short order.

First think of a real, physical greenhouse. Inside it is moist and warmer when it is cold outside, and somewhat cooler when it is hot outside. It is “moderate” because of the humidity in the air.

Now think of the opposite of a greenhouse, the surface of the Moon. If it is daytime, everything is directly hot. But at night, everything is extremely cold. There is no moderation, no moist air, nothing to block the sunlight nor prevent the radiation of heat back into space.

Now think of Earth’s atmosphere. When there are lots of high clouds, radiation from the Sun gets through but is trapped in the atmosphere, and doesn’t radiate back into space as much. When there are low clouds, more radiation is reflected back into space, so the ground is cooler.

However, when there is little moisture in the air at all, visible or invisible, the ground is more like the Moon, getting hot during the day, but cooling off a lot at night.

This can be very noticeable in the desert, dry air with hot days and cold nights.

There is one more twist to things, that the air over the North Pole seems to be shifting back and forth over the high latitudes, like a beanie on a bald head. When the jet stream goes South into the US, cold air from the Arctic rushes down. But then the jet stream pushes back North on our side of the planet, and rides down on the other side, making things cold in Europe and Russia.

And this is kind of unusual as well, but it is a lot more noticeable when there is little moisture in the air. This is why we had a hard winter and a very long spring.

The big question is why is there less moisture in the atmosphere right now?


20 posted on 05/21/2013 7:37:34 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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