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Is Ted Cruz a Natural Born Citizen... of Canada?

Posted on 05/21/2013 9:52:10 AM PDT by Ray76

Ted Cruz was born "Rafael Edward Cruz" December 22, 1970 in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

His mother is US citizen Eleanor Darragh.

His father is Cuban citizen Rafael B. Cruz. (naturalized as a U.S. citizen in 2005)

Eleanor Darragh and Rafael B. Cruz were residents of Canada for at least four years from 1970, possibly earlier, until 1974. They conducted business there as Rafael B. Cruz and Associates, Ltd.

Where they "permanent residents"?

Is Ted Cruz a "natural born citizen" of Canada?

Revised Statutes of Canada 1970:



TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: certifigate; chat; eligibility; naturalborncitizen; tedcruz; vanity
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To: Sherman Logan
Like I said, Canada applies its own laws in its own ways.

Now if Canada attempted to force him into its army, he might be able to claim exemption on the basis that he was also an American citizen. But whether that would be accepted or not depends on Canadian law, not American law.

Canada could force him into their army if they so chose. They could not force me into their army. There is no recognized body of law which would allow them to do it. Ted Cruz? He owes them allegiance.

121 posted on 05/21/2013 12:27:44 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

My money is on the courts going with what follows when Ted Cruz’s eligibility status is adjudicated. It is also likely that the Senate will pass a Sense of the Senate Resolution clearing him to run like the one they passed for McCain.

“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years...”

US Code, Title 8, Section 1401
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401


122 posted on 05/21/2013 12:28:59 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Whether they register or not, they cannot be compelled to fight against their own country.

Or do you disagree?

123 posted on 05/21/2013 12:29:42 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Cyclone59
Since we have a Kenyan born president we should push this Cruz guy to run for president as a diversion as watch the press get their panties in a wad over it.

We do not know this guy is "born in Kenya" and the evidence I have seen so far argues strongly against it.

124 posted on 05/21/2013 12:31:17 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Perdogg
Your argument has no bearing of the ultimate outcome; Rubio is nbC.

My opposition may have no bearing on the ultimate recreation of this nation as a socialist slave state, but that is beside the point. Rubio might be considered as a natural citizen, but it's iffy. Cruz is simply a bridge too far.

125 posted on 05/21/2013 12:35:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Perdogg
Rubio meets and passes the test regardless.

Rubio is at least a 14th amendment citizen. He might be considered to be a "natural citizen" if you stretch the definition pretty far. Had his father naturalized before he was born, it would be a slam dunk, but his father apparently hadn't yet given up hope of going back to Cuba.

Besides, we're talking about Cruz, not Rubio.

126 posted on 05/21/2013 12:38:34 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Didn’t read the law, did you?

5.2: A person who is a Canadian citizen under paragraph 1(b) ceases to be a Canadian citizen upon the expiration of three years after the day on which he attains the age of twenty-one years unless he:

Either is living in Canada or files a declaration of intention to retain Canadian citizenship.

Since it is likely neither applies to Cruz, he has no citizenship status with Canada.

This law is from 1946, and it is at least possible the law has been changed since.

BTW, this issue of dual citizenship applied to Winston Churchill, who was a dual citizen of the US and UK till his 21st birthday.


127 posted on 05/21/2013 12:39:52 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Uncle Chip
That’s just what Hillary Clinton is counting on.

I make this prediction now. Hillary Clinton will not be the nominee. Not even the Democrats are that stupid.

128 posted on 05/21/2013 12:40:17 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DesertRhino
Yes, until legislation excludes them, the anchor babies are unfortunately eligible. I don’t like it a bit. But they are under the jurisdiction of the USA, and are born here. And this is reason number 681 that we need border enforcement.

Let me introduce you to a highly knowledgeable and very intelligent conservative Commentator named George Will.

And if you don't particularly care for his opinion, perhaps you would like the opinion of another Highly Knowledgeable and intelligent Conservative commentator named Ann Coulter.

129 posted on 05/21/2013 12:44:16 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I made no such statement, merely pointed out the law concerning them. I’m opposed to conscription on its face.


130 posted on 05/21/2013 12:45:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: DesertRhino

I am telling you that you misunderstand. I KNOW what I said and I KNOW my intentions. You PRESUME otherwise.


131 posted on 05/21/2013 12:46:52 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: DesertRhino
Legislation establishes how citizenship is gained, in effect defining the terms the constitution used.

Until Legislation controls the laws of nature, this assertion will remain untrue.

It is CRAZY to believe that congress has the power to re-write the meaning of terms in the US Constitution. All other topics aside, why on God's Earth would you even WANT that?

132 posted on 05/21/2013 12:47:35 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

If the Republican Party is stupid enough to run one of its Constitutionally-challenged candidates for POTUS, the Democrat Party candidate Nomatter Whoitis will win in a landslide.


133 posted on 05/21/2013 12:47:49 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Nero Germanicus

The 14th Amendment does not mention Article II.

You are mistaken to believe that the 14th Amendment “further defined” Article II.


134 posted on 05/21/2013 12:49:49 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: DPMD
However, he still qualifies.

He is a naturalized citizen. He does not.

135 posted on 05/21/2013 12:51:13 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: taxcontrol
No. Because US LAW says that anyone who joins the military forces of another nation loses their citizenship. US law governs US citizenship.

Again, you have a law of congress controlling the meaning of a constitutional term. You are just trying to finesse the point.

*I* cannot be compelled to fight for Canada. Cruz CAN be compelled to fight for Canada. Can YOU be compelled to fight for Canada? Now do you understand the distinction?

136 posted on 05/21/2013 12:55:16 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Uncle Chip

If the Republicans nominate an ineligible candidate it protects not just Obama but also his agenda. Why are the currently hyped potential Republican candidates all ineligible or of questionable eligibility? That question might qualify this thread under “conspiracy”, but it wasn’t the original question. The original question was “is Cruz a natural born citizen of Canada”

So far I’ve seen a lot of Republican pom-pom waving but very little to dissuade that Cruz is not a natural born citizen of Canada, and a naturalized US citizen.


137 posted on 05/21/2013 1:00:22 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Nero Germanicus
My money is on the courts going with what follows when Ted Cruz’s eligibility status is adjudicated. It is also likely that the Senate will pass a Sense of the Senate Resolution clearing him to run like the one they passed for McCain.

My money is on the courts having the same sort of judgement about this that they have about Roe v Wade, or Plessy v Fergusson. They will do the incompetent, but politically expedient thing.

Will you STOP introducing the courts into a discussion about Accuracy? It's a given that the courts are boobs, and no citation of them serves any useful purpose in this discussion. The courts will always give us the "Wong" answer.

The Courts deserve ridicule and contempt, not deference.

138 posted on 05/21/2013 1:04:55 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Sherman Logan
Didn’t read the law, did you?

If it's a law, I most certainly didn't bother to read it. No law can affect the meaning of the term "natural born citizen" so it is a waste of time to look at any which purport to do so.

139 posted on 05/21/2013 1:08:31 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I made no such statement, merely pointed out the law concerning them. I’m opposed to conscription on its face.

That is immaterial to the point being discussed. If a nation can lawfully compel you to fight against the United States, you are not a natural citizen of the United States.

140 posted on 05/21/2013 1:10:20 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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