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To: Ray76
Your diagram attempts to show two sets labeled “born abroad to US citizen parent(s)” and “born in US to non-citizen parents”. These are disjoint sets yet you attempt to show an intersection.

You're not reading it right, Ray.

The left circle is Jus Soli: Citizenship that comes from place of birth. The right circle is Jus Sanguinis: Citizenship that comes from parentage.

So the left part is people who get their citizenship solely from jus soli (born on US soil, but parents were not citizens at the time of birth, e.g., Marco Rubio). The center is people who have both jus soli and jus sanguinis (born on US soil of one or more citizen parents). And the right is those who get their citizenship solely from jus sanguinis (born a citizen abroad to one or more citizen parents, e.g., Ted Cruz.)

Maybe I can change it to make it more clear. I wasn't trying to produce something with total originality, I largely imitated the presentation of an existing but incorrect diagram.

325 posted on 05/23/2013 10:52:14 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
And the intersection of jus sanguinis and jus soli? What is that? Such class of person has no name?

Your attempted imitation of an existing diagram is obvious.

Equally obvious is that you do not understand the diagram you imitate, or venn diagrams generally. Distinguish between "agreeing with" and "understanding".

You graphic is nothing more than a background for your text, it does not convey any information. It is meaningless, to wit:

So the left part is people who get their citizenship solely from jus soli (born on US soil, but parents were not citizens at the time of birth, e.g., Marco Rubio). The center is people who have both jus soli and jus sanguinis (born on US soil of one or more citizen parents). And the right is those who get their citizenship solely from jus sanguinis (born a citizen abroad to one or more citizen parents, e.g., Ted Cruz.)
Therefore: The left and right sets are disjoint.

Your error stems from failing to separate the individual facts.


Here is a simple venn diagram.

      

There are two sets: the red set and the blue set. The intersection "red and blue" is shown as green. The diagram conveys the fact that some items may be red, some blue, and some both red and blue (green).

 

As you contend, a "born citizen" may be so by jus sanguinis or jus soli.

Note that the diagram does not label the intersection of jus sanguinis and jus soli. It is only part of the picture. Let's fix that

Now the diagram is complete.


Further explanation can be found at

http://thebirthers.org/misc/logic.htm

The citizenship diagrams are from this site.

327 posted on 05/23/2013 12:36:14 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Jeff Winston
The graphic and your explanation demonstrate muddled thinking.

So the left part is people who get their citizenship solely from jus soli (born on US soil, but parents were not citizens at the time of birth, e.g., Marco Rubio). The center is people who have both jus soli and jus sanguinis (born on US soil of one or more citizen parents). And the right is those who get their citizenship solely from jus sanguinis (born a citizen abroad to one or more citizen parents, e.g., Ted Cruz.)
Facts from the Left Set:
  1. born on US soil
  2. parents were not citizens at the time of birth

Facts from the Right Set:

  1. born a citizen abroad
  2. to one or more citizen parents

Your proposed intersection (the center):

  1. born on US soil
  2. one or more citizen parents

What about Fact 2 from the Left Set? What about Fact 1 from the Right Set?

Failure to separate the individual facts is a cause of error.

329 posted on 05/23/2013 12:50:53 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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