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Posted on 05/24/2013 6:35:28 PM PDT by Kevmo
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Cold fusion reactor independently verified, has 10,000 times the energy density of gas By Sebastian Anthony on May 21, 2013 at 12:43 pm 338 Comments
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Against all probability, a device that purports to use cold fusion to generate vast amounts of power has been verified by a panel of independent scientists. The research paper, which hasnt yet undergone peer review, seems to confirm both the existence of cold fusion, and its potency: The cold fusion device being tested has roughly 10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline. Even allowing for a massively conservative margin of error, the scientists say that the cold fusion device they tested is 10 times more powerful than gasoline which is currently the best fuel readily available to mankind.
The device being tested, which is called the Energy Catalyzer (E-Cat for short), was created by Andrea Rossi. Rossi has been claiming for the past two years that he had finally cracked cold fusion, but much to the chagrin of the scientific community he hasnt allowed anyone to independently analyze the device until now. While it sounds like the scientists had a fairly free rein while testing the E-Cat, we should stress that they still dont know exactly whats going on inside the sealed steel cylinder reactor. Still, the seven scientists, all from good European universities, obviously felt confident enough with their findings to publish the research paper.
As for whats happening inside the cold fusion reactor, Andrea Rossi and his colleague Sergio Focardi have previously said their device works by infusing hydrogen into nickel, transmuting the nickel into copper and releasing a large amount of heat. While Rossi hasnt provided much in the way of details hes a very secretive man, it seems we can infer some knowledge from NASAs own research into cold fusion. Basically, hydrogen ions (single protons) are sucked into a nickel lattice (pictured right); the nickels electrons are forced into the hydrogen to produce neutrons; the nickel nuclei absorb these neutrons; the neutrons are stripped of their electrons to become protons; and thus the nickel goes up in atomic number from 28 to 29, becoming copper.
This process, like the conventional fusion of hydrogen atoms into helium, produces a lot of heat. (See: 500MW from half a gram of hydrogen: The hunt for fusion power heats up.) The main difference, though, is that the cold fusion process (also known as LENR, or low energy nuclear reaction) produces very slow moving neutrons which dont create ionizing radiation or radioactive waste. Real fusion, on the other hand, produces fast neutrons that decimate everything in their path. In short, LENR is fairly safe safe enough that NASA dreams of one day putting a cold fusion reactor in every home, car, and plane. Nickel and hydrogen, incidentally, are much cheaper and cleaner fuels than gasoline.
As far as we can tell, the main barrier to cold fusion as with normal fusion is producing more energy than you put in. In NASAs tests, it takes a lot more energy to fuse the nickel and hydrogen than is produced by the reaction. Rossi, it would seem, has discovered a secret sauce that significantly reduces the amount of energy required to start the reaction. As for what the secret sauce is, no one knows in the research paper, the independent scientists simply refer to it as unknown additives. All told, the E-Cat seems to have a power density of 4.4×105 W/kg, and an energy density of 5.1×107 Wh/kg.
If Rossi and Focardis cold fusion technology turns out to be real if the E-Cat really has 10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline then the world will change, very, very quickly. Stay tuned; well let you know when or if the E-Cat passes peer review.
Now read: Nuclear power is our only hope, or, the greatest environmentalist hypocrisy of all time
Research paper: arXiv:1305.3913 - Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device
The Cold Fusion/LENR Ping List
It’s only the fifth report of the same result that you’ve posted for the previous week. No reason for the mods to pull it. /s/
So, if I understand this correctly, whatever is inside the cylinder produces 10,000 times as much energy as an equivalent amount of gasoline. But what the scientists don’t know is how much energy went into making whatever is actually inside the cylinder.
Perhaps this is a highly efficient energy storage device rather than an energy producing device.
Well, hopefully at some point we’ll see what’s going on here.
and yet they pulled the last one
Tests find Rossi’s E-Cat has an energy density at least 10 times higher than any conventional energy source
But what the scientists dont know is how much energy went into making whatever is actually inside the cylinder.
Perhaps this is a highly efficient energy storage device rather than an energy producing device.
***Absolutely. But the anti-science anti-LENR types will think you’re bonkers for such a suggestion, which I have posted in the past.
Again, we will see.
Just for perspective, nuclear fission reactions release about a million times as much energy per unit fuel mass as do chemical reaction. Fusion releases another three or four orders of magnitude on top of that.
But I’m not saying I’m not hopeful. Maybe there are losses (although if the output of this device is heat, I’m having trouble seeing where those losses go). Maybe the measurement of “missing mass” is off for some reason.
Hmmmmmm, gets mysteriouser and mysteriouser!!!!!
Um, yeah. When real physics are involved, no one ever has to wait and see if something "turns out to be real." It's amazing how scams have to find their basis in laws of physics that supposedly haven't been discovered yet.
Joseph Smith and the Golden Plates?
Sounds like you don’t trust the physics background of the 7 scientists involved. What exactly would be YOUR background to question these folks (and the Swedish Industrial Group ELFORSK)???
Department of Physics and Astronomy
Evelyn Foschi is in the product development department for medical
devices, University of Bologna. Her specialty is X-ray.
Senior Research Engineer
The Svedberg Laboratory (which specializes in proton therapy and is
attached to Uppsala University)
Department of Physics and Astronomy, Nuclear Physics
Department of Chemistry - BMC, Analytical Chemistry
Department of Engineering Sciences, Division of Electricity
Publications: Doctoral thesis -
otherwise apparently not published unless he is also P.-E. Tegnér in which
case hes somehow connected to Stockholm University:
Docent and Lecturer
Department of Mechanics of the KTH Royal Institute of Technology
Essen, Rossis site notes, was at one time critical of Rossi and the E-Cat.
Jed Rothwell Thu, 23 May 2013 15:52:40 -0700
Mark Gibbs wrote:
Essen, Rossis site notes, was at one time critical of Rossi and the E-Cat. Anyone got any citations?
He published some strong remarks, years ago. I expect you can find them easily with Google. He was the president of the Swedish Skeptics Society, so it is no surprise he had it in for Rossi, and for cold fusion in general.
I find it almost miraculous that anyone connected with a Skeptics Society can bring himself to say anything positive about cold fusion. Essen is not your typical capital-S Skeptic.
19 posted on Friday, May 24, 2013 12:26:55 PM by Kevmo (”A person’s a person, no matter how small” ~Horton Hears a Who)
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Giuseppe Levi goes on Record to Discuss E-cat
August 25, 2011
A respected Italian physicist has gone on record to defend Sergio Focardi and Andrea Rossis e-cat. Giuseppe Levi, a professor at the University of Bologna and a colleague of Sergio Focardi sat down for a long video interview with Steven B Krivit of New Energy Times in June. The video was only made available at the New Energy Times website on August 14.
Levi spoke English and he is very easy to understand and entertaining. He gave some good points to Krivit who did not appear to talk much. Levi is an expert on nuclear physics, energy physics and sub nuclear physics who has worked on satellites and other projects in the past.
Levis main points were:
He has worked with Focardi on other projects and respects him.
Levi has been following Rossi and Focardis work for three years but only examined the e-cat itself on December 16, 2010. He did extensive testing of the e-cat and apparently believes Rossis claims.
Levi is a member of the US group the Skeptics Society and he applied their baloney detector kit. (A set of parameters for the detection of fraud developed by the late Carl Sagan) to the e-cat and found it was not baloney.
Levi said he investigated the e-cat because it is his duty as a scientist. He also wanted to protect the University of Bolognas reputation from a possible fraud.
Levi did admit that the e-cat was developed in what he called an industrial and not a research environment.
The January e-cat news conference and demonstration by Rossi and Focardi was done in order to show the scientific community the validity of the e-cat and protect Focardis reputation.
Levi seems to be concerned about Focardis reputation and is trying to protect it.
Levi said other scientists including chemists have examined the e-cat and verified some of the results.
Levi also gave some interesting quotes in response to Krivits questions.
When asked why he investigated the e-cat, Levi said: You must go and look by yourself. It is one of my duties I am a researcher I am paid by public money. Something very important was going on with the name of the University of Bologna. It was my duty to know if it was something real. If it is something real we must make research on it.
When asked if the e-cat represents a new physics or not, Levi said: There is not a new quantum mechanics but some new phenomenon.
No, this is not religion. It’s simple black box testing. Energy in and Energy out. Can you trust 7 scientists to measure such a thing?
That's what explosions are for. The energy is much more difficult to hide.
What’s really interesting about this is the scientists studying cold fusion don’t understand why it works (when it works) and why they can’t make it work consistently.
Have they tested for static field causing variations in response?
I'm sure it had nothing to do with the flamewar that erupted. Why look for a simple explanation, when a conspiracy theory suffices?
I don’t know. From what I have read (and understand very little) they keep theorizing as to why and how it works but no matter how hard they try to make their theories stick they all just fall apart.
I’m wondering if there is something on the quantum level that is happening that makes the explanation of how and why they work defy conventional explanations.
Fusion releases another three or four orders of magnitude on top of that.
***How much energy does reversible proton-proton fusion release?
It should be noted that the most common nuclear reaction in the Universe, by
far - which is the reversible fusion of two protons into Helium-2 - such as
happens with unimaginable frequency on most stars including our sun - is
thought to produce no radiation. However, this reaction may produce excess
to measure, yes; to explain? ... well, now we’re back to my original comment.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3022697/posts ~ this was up just a few days ago. Notice the article’s reference to a wrapped up ‘dimension’ of the sort we know only from math. Every time they can demonstrate a new dimension all the fundamental forces take on new and unknown characteristics ~ which we’ll need to learn all about later on down the line. So here’s #5. This is the one that pops up in the study of how paint mixes ~ might even be related to the CFL’ production of anamolous isotopes of mercury.
And there have been 5 or 6 such meltdowns in the LENR literature, including even one in this report.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3022697/posts ~ try that one. This references another dimension
The energy creation was when one of the observers farted!!!
I’m sorry, but I simply do not understand it.
Then you accept the measurements?
Most skeptopaths simply do not. There’s a conspiracy, or Rossi hoodwinked them, or it’s a huge 10x mistake that 7 scientists are too incompetent to realize, or whatever.
Those guys were caught and they're prosecuting them.
So, it's really not a joke. They had agents around the world finding new pigeons. So, why not on FR?
Sorry to hear you had a thread pulled. I am glad you keep posting info about the E-CAT because the technology needs to be explored.
Here is my only objection to the article:
“If Rossi and Focardis cold fusion technology turns out to be real if the E-Cat really has 10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline then the world will change, very, very quickly. “
The world never changes quickly. Those whose immense wealth comes from keeping the common man tied to fossil fuels will not lightly give up their wealth.
If this stuff takes as long as it did to develop the white light LED none of us will ever get a chance to study it very well.
I thought it quite interesting that something like the self-assembly being mediated by another dimension could be posted without question, but LENR ends up as the special deletion focus of one of the moderators.
New science, however tenuous, should be allowed on FR
Well, IIRC, there is no way this works UNLESS there is something going on at the quantum level. I’m wondering if the atmospheric static field has soemthing to impact the nuclear level of this reaction. There are some really strange things that happen around tornadoes, like large metal objects getting picked up and set partially over a fence, without breaking the fence, or 2 x 4s jammed through a tree, or an empty tincan halfway through a cinderblock without being collapsed. These and many more anomolous things have been observed from tornado scenes.
Folks don’t want to give any credence to the ‘Hutchison effect’, but they cannot explain how a wooden ladle can be embedded in an aluminium block without burning the wooden part. We have dedicated ridiculers who see the name Hutchison and go ape with their ridicule routines.
Would these scientists be experts in Global Warming by any chance
How long, do you think, before we have full confirmation of E-Cat being real? The article acts like it’s still not quite settled yet, though the 7 scientists appear to feel pretty good about it.
The ultimate question is .... can it now or in the future be expected to do anything useful? A spinning top is a physics wonder of physical rules and theories in practice, but in the end is just a spinning top.
Ask the 7 scientists who printed the report. It seems incredibly obvious to me.
Is it possible they may be picking up heat/energy readings from the pants on fire?
Good question. And I will muddy the waters even further: How long until you want it to be real? I’m starting to think it’s GOOD to have these skeptopaths around and keep the veil partly in place so that I can maneuver my financial resources appropriately.
How would you go about that, if you could skip ten years into the future for 5 minutes and (assuming, of course) you find out that Cold Fusion is EVERYwhere, like gasoline engines are today. How do you Short Oil? How do you access your retirement to put the entire wad on red 25 on the Roulette wheel?
And the spinning top phenomenon has been utilized as a recouping aid in vehicles, storing inertial energy on a down slope to use on the up slope.
And if it’s proven to be real, liberals will come up with some smoke and mirrors excuse as to why it’s going to kill us all.
So, if I put my coffee pot on the Cold Fusion thing-a-bob, it will produce coffee 10,000 times quicker than if I put it on a gas stove?
Sorry to hear you had a thread pulled
***Actually, there have been several Cold Fusion threads pulled.
White-light LEDs never cease to amaze me. My dentist wears one on a headband for close work. The thing appears to have nearly the luminosity of an arc lamp, yet its housing is just barely warm at full brightness.
As someone who grew up using various types of high-intensity miniature lamps in different projects, high-intensity white LEDs are science fiction come to life.
Of course, the iPad or iPhone is certainly SF-come-to-life too, but the white LEDs are more "energy-ish" as opposed to "compute-power-ish."
I'll tell you this... if they can improve battery technology as much as they've improved the luminosity of LEDs in the last forty years, it'll be pretty amazing.
Gyroscopes are pretty useful.
The original “cup of tea” challenge came from a hyperskeptic, and with this demo, he could easily get 10,000 cups of tea.
But spinning tops aren’t!
I’m no Skeptopath, I’m quite excited about this.
The key to the white LED was the Blue Laser. When I was in college, my TA was the one who developed the first blue laser in North America and was interviewed on CNN. Of course, it helped that Amber was very good looking.
“could easily” but hasn’t!
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