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Mark Levin and the 17th Amendment II
May 30th 2013 | Mark Levin

Posted on 06/02/2013 2:51:56 PM PDT by Jacquerie

As all of his fans know, Mark finished another book. Every night it seems, he wants to bust out and talk about it, but his publishers have put the ixnay on too much disclosure. Still, he shows a little leg now and then. That happened in the second hour of his show last Thursday, May 30th, 2013. I suspect he was actually reading some excerpts from it.

Mark Levin:

We the people must have as a goal, the reestablishment of our founding principles.

How can a people incapable of selecting their own light bulbs and toilets, possess enough confidence to vote for their own rulers and fill out complicated tax returns? I’m afraid folks, it’s asking too much of the people who created this mess to fix it. They’ve also created fanatical adherents who will oppose you and me every step of the way. They just don’t care, or, they’ve been conquered by or surrendered to this. But it’s not asking too much of a great people, you, we the people, to turn a calm, scrutinizing eye on upon ourselves and rally to our own salvation.

It’s time to return to self-government, where the people are sovereign and not subjects and can reclaim some control over their future, rather than accept as inevitable a dismal fate. Unlike the radicalism of the governing masterminds who self-servingly oversee a century old perpetual counter revolution against we, the American people, we the people must have as our goal the reestablishment of our founding principles and the restoration of Constitutional republicanism and the nurturing of the individual and the preserving of the civil society.

This requires first, an acknowledgement of the federal government’s unmooring from its’ Constitutional foundation. Second, acceptance that the condition is urgent and if untreated, will ultimately be the death-knell of the American republic. Third, the wisdom to rebalance the government in a way that is without novelty and true to the Framers’ original purpose. Fourth, the courage to confront intellectually and politically the statists’ stubborn grip on power.

Do you think our Republican leadership is up to this? Do you think (10:33) the Republican consultants and operators are up to this? Do you think the Republican fundraisers are up to this? Do you think all the ex-Bush officials all over cable TV and other . . . are up to this? I don’t think so, do you? Well, one day, we, you, me, millions of us have to take matters into our own hands. No, no, no, I don’t mean violence in any respect. One day, we have to take back our government, and there are ways to do it.

“What are they, Mark?” There are ways to do it and we’ll talking about it in the months ahead.


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KEYWORDS: 17th; constitution; levin; seventeenth; statesrights
From his 5/30/13 show, second hour at 8:30.

Highlights:
Our condition is urgent, and if left untreated it will be the end of our republic.
The people who created the mess will not fix it.
We must restore Constitutional republicanism.
We must rebalance the government, without novelty and return to the Framers’ original purpose.
We must have the courage to expect and confront the statists’ counterattack.

From these points, I expect Mark’s new book to propose a peaceful uprising of the people via their state legislatures. That means a constitutional convention to reestablish, first among other goals, a return to a Senate of the States.

1 posted on 06/02/2013 2:51:56 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Perdogg; GraceG; ilgipper; MomwithHope; Phinneous; FrdmLvr
Mark Levin and 17th/Constitutional Convention ping!

Reform will not emerge from Washington. If we are to peacefully save what remains of our freedoms and regain what was lost, it is time for the States to call an Article V Constitutional Convention. If Congress does not head it off on its own to consider a single amendment, repeal of the 17th, we have little to lose. Our consolidated government ignores our unalienable rights, separation of powers and is arming itself to put down mass confrontation. If Congress ignores the threat and the States convene a convention, we risk no more than where we are already headed, a consolidated government of unlimited powers bent on creating a perfect social justice Utopian hell.

We have the means to save our society and lives; let’s use them. Together, with the help of God, we just might save these United States.

Yes, the media, rats and rinos will come down hard on an amendment to repeal the 17th. So what? Gee, will they start to call us names? When was the last time we set the terms of the debate? The last consistent time was during the Ronald Reagan era. Today we get an occasional reprieve from, for instance, Senators Rand Paul or Ted Cruz. In the course of defending this amendment, we would educate a couple generations of Americans purposely kept ignorant of the magnificent bequest of our ancestors, the Constitution. This is an idea that conservatives should flock to.

Imagine a Senate composed of people who don’t give a rip what the left-media say about them. Imagine a Senate immune from popularity polls and whatever spews daily from Obama or Chrissy Mathews. Imagine a Senate that flips the bird to a President who even considers anti-10th Amendment radicals to the federal bench. Would such a Senate put up with an EPA or HHS that pushes their States around?

2 posted on 06/02/2013 2:57:49 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie

There is an easier way. The Democrats used psychologists and sociologists to win the last Presidential election. We used political scientists to lose it. We have to study psychology and sociology and put them to our use. No, I am not a Sociologist or Psychologist.


3 posted on 06/02/2013 3:11:55 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Jacquerie
I'm skeptical all the work that would be required to repeal the 17th Amendment would be worth the effort.

The majority of individual states nowadays want the same thing as the majority of individual voters....as much pie from Uncle Sam as their representatives can send them.

It's all about the Benjamins.

4 posted on 06/02/2013 3:15:11 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Jacquerie

Jefferson stated that the reason the Senate was beholden to the State Legislatures was because he knew that Government would be filled with people lusting for power. His hope was that those lusting for it at the state level would keep those lusting for it at the national level in check.


5 posted on 06/02/2013 3:16:27 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Jacquerie
No Convention. Period. Ever again. The last convention didn't work out so well.

/johnny

6 posted on 06/02/2013 3:24:32 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jacquerie
it is time for the States to call an Article V Constitutional Convention

It won't happen. It's not like the country is besieged by an ultimate evil in DC, but all the states are white and fluffy. In fact, all levels of government are poisoned by absolute power. Huge evil in DC is followed by large evil in states' governments, then by medium evil in counties, and smaller evil in cities. Policies of San Francisco are a good example, and they are done on the city level. You will find evil and agendas even lower, like on the level of public schools! Nearly every government bureaucrat has a God complex.

There is yet another reason why this is happening. All these elected representatives are a countable set of people. They is actually not too many of them. Individuals can be easily corrupted, especially when they are facing the easy choice of doing the bidding of their donors and become reelected, or going their own way - after which they will be labeled as crazies and quickly defeated at the nearest election. If you aren't willing to bow and kiss the hand of your master, you just don't go into politics. Few people buck that trend.

Imagine a Senate composed of people who don’t give a rip what the left-media say about them. Imagine a Senate immune from popularity polls

Now you see where the roots of monarchism are? Such Senate is no different from a single Czar who is also immune from popular opinion.

As matter of fact, monarchism works great as long as you have a good monarch. The trouble is in cases when the monarch is not so good. The office of Czar is always heavily contested, and usually the most ruthless applicant walks up to the throne stepping over the dead bodies of his opponents - and often over the bodies of his supporters too.

7 posted on 06/02/2013 3:27:08 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Jacquerie

I would say the 16th and 17th need a stake thru the heart. the evil twins of progressive amendments to the USC must be abolished.


8 posted on 06/02/2013 3:29:14 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Greysard
Such Senate is no different from a single Czar

Words fail me.

Uh, you are aware of the purpose and designed structure of the Framers' Senate, right?

9 posted on 06/02/2013 3:30:21 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: 5thGenTexan
His hope was that those lusting for it at the state level would keep those lusting for it at the national level in check.

Precisely.

10 posted on 06/02/2013 3:31:47 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie

The best way to remedy the current untenable situation is to break all bonds with the US Govt completely via secession. Everything else is BS.


11 posted on 06/02/2013 3:33:20 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Bratch
Over half of the states filed suit against Obamacare.

DOJ, EPA, HHS have made war on the states.

Resistance is in the air. All it needs is a 1765 Patrick Henry style spark.

12 posted on 06/02/2013 3:34:25 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie

I am so sick of people that say,”It can’t be done!” I am sure many of those that revolted against the crown were told the same thing. The status quo is not acceptable and we have no other choice but to change it.


13 posted on 06/02/2013 4:08:17 PM PDT by lone star annie
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To: lone star annie
Good point. We had two revolutions in less than fifteen years, the armed one against George III and a second to replace the Articles of Confederation with the Constitution.

I'm amazed at the volume of calls at FR for some ill-defined revolt or secession, rather than use the peaceful means to restore liberty that our Framers gave us.

14 posted on 06/02/2013 4:19:54 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie
I know little about Constitutional Conventions, but what I have heard is that when one is called, the entire Constitution is on the table for possible modification. This means you better be careful of what you wish for. If the Convention gets high jacked by the libs our Constitution could be toast. How to control the situation will be extremely treacherous, just like all of today's politics.
15 posted on 06/02/2013 4:38:50 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: Jacquerie; All
Noting that I am not a fan of Levin, while I used to trumpet the repeal of 17A and would still support its repeal, 17A is not the reason for unconstitutionally big federal government imo. After all, senators swear to protect and defend the Constitution, committing themselves to comply not only with their Article I, Section 8-limited powers, but also Justice John Marshall's official clarification of Congress limited power to lay taxes, no matter who elects them to office.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

The real reason, imo, why we have unconstitutonally big federal government is the following. Parents have not been making sure that their children are being taught the federal government's constitutionally limited powers, such evidenced powers by Section 8 mentioned above. Consequently, when corrupt candidates for federal office like Obama buy votes from welfare recipients and the jobless by promising government spending programs, many voters are clueless that such promises are based on constitutionally nonexistent federal government powers.

Also, since the Constitution doesn't prohibit the states from prohibiting eligible citizens from voting if they cannot pass a constitutional proficiency test, such a test stressing the federal government's constitutonally limited powers, Levin might consider pushing for states to require that citizens pass such a test before being allowed to vote. Voters who pass the test would then have a better idea when corrupt candidates for federal office make promises that are constitutionally indefensible.

And even if such a test is not adopted, the test and correct answers would still be there for the corrupt media to ridicule, getting voters up to speed on the federal government's limited powers while doing so.

Finally, remember that the only reason that citizens are so concerned about who is president is because of the perceived powers of the Oval Office, the Oval Office actually not the most powerful office in the land regardless what Obama guard dog Fx News wants everybody to think.

16 posted on 06/02/2013 4:43:35 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Jacquerie

Elect a POTUS who vows to veto ever bill to make Congress truly represent the will of the peeps with a > 50% margin required for ANY new law.


17 posted on 06/02/2013 4:45:02 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Bratch
It's all about the Benjamins.

The lawmakers make sure they get rich. The rest of us just have to pay for it. People who won't play the game are trashed - like Sarah.

Maybe Cruz can lead the new charge - he's got the smarts and the guts. There are some others too but the GOPe has to be gutted.

18 posted on 06/02/2013 5:05:07 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Jacquerie
We the people must have as our goal the reestablishment of our founding principles and the restoration of Constitutional republicanism and the nurturing of the individual and the preserving of the civil society.,

Mark, this nation and society ended Nov 6, 2012. You're like a Japanese holdout on Iwo Jima, decades after WWII was over.

All that's left is the final crash, sometime in the not-too-distant future.

Sorry, all, call me an eeyore, but that's the truth, as plain as the nose on your face.

19 posted on 06/02/2013 5:07:54 PM PDT by bkopto (Obama and Biden are merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: Jacquerie

Repealing the 17th Amendment would be a good thing to restore Constitutional balance to our systemof government.


20 posted on 06/02/2013 5:43:00 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

****** “No Convention. Period. Ever again. The last convention didn’t work out so well.” ******

I’m with you... look what they did in Ohio

TT


21 posted on 06/02/2013 5:43:52 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: TexasTransplant
I was talking about the Convention of States in Philly, over 200 years ago. The ones that came up with the Constitution. That got perverted.

They weren't authorized to do that by the folks that sent them.

That convention subverted the Articles of Confederation. Those left feral gooberment pretty much toofless.

I'm ok with leaving fedgov toofless.

/johnny

22 posted on 06/02/2013 5:53:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jacquerie

IMHO, All 3 branches of Federal government do not care about the Constitution - it’s just words written on a piece of paper to them, and they simply ignore it and do whatever they think they can make “fly” with the media-manipulated public opinion.

I think you could change it most any way you wanted, and they would simply still ignore it.

I say this because that’s all I see.

I think we do need a “fix” to government, but first we need to “fix” the fact that our population is not exactly moral or very smart at this point.

IMHO...


23 posted on 06/02/2013 6:01:52 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: lone star annie

Me too! Everyone is so gloomy and cynical. What happened to can-do Americans? Are there none left? Just because something won’t be easy we should just give up?


24 posted on 06/02/2013 6:02:08 PM PDT by boxlunch (Conservative, reformed protestant Christian, homeschooling mom)
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To: Jacquerie

Honest money wouldn’t hurt either.


25 posted on 06/02/2013 6:52:40 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: TBP

A repeal of the 17th would make it possible to reign in FedGov overreach [like Obamacare] — something that is, currently, impossible.


26 posted on 06/02/2013 7:05:08 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: boxlunch
Me too! Everyone is so gloomy and cynical. What happened to can-do Americans? Are there none left? Just because something won’t be easy we should just give up?

There's an interview with a former KGB agent, here, that I think speaks to much of the attitudes you're seeing.

27 posted on 06/02/2013 7:07:40 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
IMHO, All 3 branches of Federal government do not care about the Constitution

Geeze, you have a gift for understatement.
Understatement of the century there.

28 posted on 06/02/2013 7:08:28 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Yes, I watched those videos several years ago, and have seen “Agenda, Grinding America Down”. I guess they’ve done a pretty good job of grinding us down, but it’s such a shame!


29 posted on 06/02/2013 8:35:35 PM PDT by boxlunch (Conservative, reformed protestant Christian, homeschooling mom)
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To: Jacquerie; 5thGenTexan; Amendment10; Aria; bkopto; blueunicorn6; boxlunch; Bratch; central_va; ...
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - - John Adams

The character and morality of our nation has descended to such a point that our people can no longer be free, their personal choices are more dangerous and damaging to themselves and others than those of an overreaching and oppressive government. If we want to return to the government our founders intended, the people must return to the principles, morals, virtues and character of those once governed by the founders. That can only happen when people actually start living by and holding others to those standards.

I do believe the tide is turning as the poisonous fruits of lawlessness become more and more apparent in the scandals and the suffering caused by them, continuing to grow beyond the ability of the media to effectively spin them into obscurity. Each of us are faced daily with opportunities to show the value of integrity, justice, knowledge, fortitude, wisdom and grace. We must boldly show others, this far and no further. We must love and not hate but we cannot cower to the fear that we might not succeed. Great men and women have faced down that same demon and we will do the same. Hold up the heros like Mark despite their flaws of which we all have many because they will lead us to victory, its not an option, the hour is very late.

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - -- Winston Churchill

30 posted on 06/02/2013 9:23:54 PM PDT by infool7 (The ugly truth is just a big lie.)
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To: Jacquerie
I'm amazed at the volume of calls at FR for some ill-defined revolt or secession, rather than use the peaceful means to restore liberty that our Framers gave us

Our Constitution was for a moral and well educated populace. Indeed our Founders gave us the mechanism, but we are long past the point of no return.

Our Republic is long down the road to a Socialist H*ll. I cannot see any way to "legislate" our way back to Liberty.

I am a big fan of Levin, but he is delusional when states that it will take "80 years" to throw off the unconstitutional aspects of the rabid Statism that exists and get back to anything near what the Founders intended.

My study of history says that true Liberty can only be obtained in a short time frame (a few years max)

Some event must occur to compel action that will result in vast parts of the Federal leviathan being cast off.

What that "event" will be is the $64 trillion dollar question.

I can state with absolute certainty that there is no way that politicians will willingly give up power through the electoral process.

31 posted on 06/02/2013 10:00:06 PM PDT by sand88
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To: sand88; infool7
Our Constitution was for a moral and well educated populace

A certain amount of virtue is necessary in any republic. The Constitution itself was a response to the erroneous assumption that we, as a people, were virtuous enough to govern ourselves without restraint.

By that I mean the first state constitutions after independence were heavily democratic, with annual terms for legislators, who often appointed both governors and judges. Majoritarian abuse set in. For instance, creditors were screwed with depreciating paper money and even Virginia issued a bill of attainder.

Not only did the Constitution prohibit recent state abuses, it set up horizontal separation of powers, but just as importantly, it created vertical separation, with power divided between the states and feds, which was enforced by a Senate of the States. The people still had to consent to laws via the House of Rep, they just no longer ran the entire government.

It was the vertical separation, the Senate of the States, that made it safe to grant extensive powers to the new government. With state agency removed a hundred years ago, and the Senate in the hands of the people, just like the House except for dangerously long six year terms, a consolidated and despotic government was assured.

The Framers were under no illusions as to the goodness or badness of men. They designed a structure to divide power and interests such that our liberty would be generally secure with little regard to the personal character of politicians. No system is perfect, but it worked well until the progressive wave washed over the nation.

Repeal of the 17th is a necessary pre-condition (not a guarantee) to restoration of our liberties.

32 posted on 06/03/2013 7:09:34 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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