Posted on 06/02/2013 2:51:56 PM PDT by Jacquerie
****** “No Convention. Period. Ever again. The last convention didn’t work out so well.” ******
I’m with you... look what they did in Ohio
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They weren't authorized to do that by the folks that sent them.
That convention subverted the Articles of Confederation. Those left feral gooberment pretty much toofless.
I'm ok with leaving fedgov toofless.
/johnny
IMHO, All 3 branches of Federal government do not care about the Constitution - it’s just words written on a piece of paper to them, and they simply ignore it and do whatever they think they can make “fly” with the media-manipulated public opinion.
I think you could change it most any way you wanted, and they would simply still ignore it.
I say this because that’s all I see.
I think we do need a “fix” to government, but first we need to “fix” the fact that our population is not exactly moral or very smart at this point.
IMHO...
Me too! Everyone is so gloomy and cynical. What happened to can-do Americans? Are there none left? Just because something won’t be easy we should just give up?
Honest money wouldn’t hurt either.
A repeal of the 17th would make it possible to reign in FedGov overreach [like Obamacare] — something that is, currently, impossible.
There's an interview with a former KGB agent, here, that I think speaks to much of the attitudes you're seeing.
Geeze, you have a gift for understatement.
Understatement of the century there.
Yes, I watched those videos several years ago, and have seen “Agenda, Grinding America Down”. I guess they’ve done a pretty good job of grinding us down, but it’s such a shame!
The character and morality of our nation has descended to such a point that our people can no longer be free, their personal choices are more dangerous and damaging to themselves and others than those of an overreaching and oppressive government. If we want to return to the government our founders intended, the people must return to the principles, morals, virtues and character of those once governed by the founders. That can only happen when people actually start living by and holding others to those standards.
I do believe the tide is turning as the poisonous fruits of lawlessness become more and more apparent in the scandals and the suffering caused by them, continuing to grow beyond the ability of the media to effectively spin them into obscurity. Each of us are faced daily with opportunities to show the value of integrity, justice, knowledge, fortitude, wisdom and grace. We must boldly show others, this far and no further. We must love and not hate but we cannot cower to the fear that we might not succeed. Great men and women have faced down that same demon and we will do the same. Hold up the heros like Mark despite their flaws of which we all have many because they will lead us to victory, its not an option, the hour is very late.
"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - -- Winston Churchill
Our Constitution was for a moral and well educated populace. Indeed our Founders gave us the mechanism, but we are long past the point of no return.
Our Republic is long down the road to a Socialist H*ll. I cannot see any way to "legislate" our way back to Liberty.
I am a big fan of Levin, but he is delusional when states that it will take "80 years" to throw off the unconstitutional aspects of the rabid Statism that exists and get back to anything near what the Founders intended.
My study of history says that true Liberty can only be obtained in a short time frame (a few years max)
Some event must occur to compel action that will result in vast parts of the Federal leviathan being cast off.
What that "event" will be is the $64 trillion dollar question.
I can state with absolute certainty that there is no way that politicians will willingly give up power through the electoral process.
A certain amount of virtue is necessary in any republic. The Constitution itself was a response to the erroneous assumption that we, as a people, were virtuous enough to govern ourselves without restraint.
By that I mean the first state constitutions after independence were heavily democratic, with annual terms for legislators, who often appointed both governors and judges. Majoritarian abuse set in. For instance, creditors were screwed with depreciating paper money and even Virginia issued a bill of attainder.
Not only did the Constitution prohibit recent state abuses, it set up horizontal separation of powers, but just as importantly, it created vertical separation, with power divided between the states and feds, which was enforced by a Senate of the States. The people still had to consent to laws via the House of Rep, they just no longer ran the entire government.
It was the vertical separation, the Senate of the States, that made it safe to grant extensive powers to the new government. With state agency removed a hundred years ago, and the Senate in the hands of the people, just like the House except for dangerously long six year terms, a consolidated and despotic government was assured.
The Framers were under no illusions as to the goodness or badness of men. They designed a structure to divide power and interests such that our liberty would be generally secure with little regard to the personal character of politicians. No system is perfect, but it worked well until the progressive wave washed over the nation.
Repeal of the 17th is a necessary pre-condition (not a guarantee) to restoration of our liberties.
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