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Advise Tactical Scope M1-A
Self | June *, 2013 | Self

Posted on 06/08/2013 11:47:49 AM PDT by Retain Mike

I want to get a tactical scope for my M1-A to fill out a collection of several U.S. military rifles beginning with an 03-mark1. I am looking for one that most closely approximates what snipers currently use. I have narrowed my interest down to Leopold and Nightforce. It looks like I have to spend about $2,000. The technology part of the Nightforce website talks a really good story, but at the high end wouldn’t Leopold take the same care? Does anyone know which scope maker has the greatest presence in the military market?

In terms of accessories I have a Smith Enterprise three point mount. I haven’t researched rings yet, so advise would be helpful.

Any ideas folks have about making the decision would be appreciated.

Nightforce Technical http://nightforceoptics.com/technology/

Leopold Tactical http://www.leupold.com/tactical/

Nightforce Tactical http://nightforceoptics.com/military/beast/


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Sports
KEYWORDS: banglist; m14; m1a; riflescope; rkba; tactical

1 posted on 06/08/2013 11:47:49 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike

I was asking the same question a month ago. Not wanting to spend too much I settled on a 4x Weaver with 8” eye relief. Suits me ok.


2 posted on 06/08/2013 11:54:10 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Retain Mike

Pfl


3 posted on 06/08/2013 11:56:53 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: skeeter

Everybody is reminded these threads are “monitored” by the fed’s - and I very suspicious about how many are actually instigated by them as well.

But then again, if I were a liberal Muslim communist Wall Street occupier from Yemen, the fed’s would end up ignoring me anyway.


4 posted on 06/08/2013 12:01:34 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Oh, I don’t have anything to mount my scope on to. I use it to watch my next door neighbor. She’s a sun worshipper.


5 posted on 06/08/2013 12:04:23 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Retain Mike

Whatever you decide on, make sure it’s waterproof in case of a boating accident.


6 posted on 06/08/2013 12:06:33 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Retain Mike

I have an (older model illum yellow dot/circle) Mark 4 CQ/T on one of my AR-10s:

http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/mark-4-cqt-riflescopes/

And a Mark 4 ER/T 4.5-14x50mm (30mm) M1 Front Focal, on another AR-10:

http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/mark-4-ert-riflescopes/mark-4-ert-4-5-14x50mm-30mm-m1-front-focal/


7 posted on 06/08/2013 12:32:15 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Retain Mike

I found a Gen 2 Springfield Armory Rangefinding model, new in the box, about 7 years ago. I paid $600 for it. My friend has a Leopold that he’s very happy with.

My only advice is to buy the very best you can afford.


8 posted on 06/08/2013 12:35:04 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Retain Mike
Before I spent $2000+ on a NightForce, I'd sure want to know that my $1200 M1A had the inherent accuracy to take advantage of expensive optics mounted on top.

It would be sad to own a 3 MOA rifle with a $2000 scope on it that could only hit a baseball downrange at 100 meters away one chance in three.

9 posted on 06/08/2013 12:47:17 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: Retain Mike
I'd put a Leupold on mine, whether or not it matches what the military uses. My question is, what kind of mount are you using to put a scope on an M1A or M14? I've tried a couple and haven't found anything satisfactory.
10 posted on 06/08/2013 12:49:16 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney
Smith Enterprise M14 Scope Mount (NSN 5855-01-506-575) is the only really OK option, it seems.

I'd want my whole M1A rifle built with Smith Enterprise parts before I spent big money for glass.

11 posted on 06/08/2013 12:54:52 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: Retain Mike
The "Super Sniper" scope line from swfa.com has received many positive reviews. I don't remember all of the specifics, but I know the design is a revival of an older, much-lauded Tasco "mil-spec" scope that was once awarded a USN (SEALs) contract. The overall impression is that the scopes are 90% as good as a top-shelf brand & model, but cost only 30% as much.

I've purchased some glass from SWFA, they have good customer service.

12 posted on 06/08/2013 1:02:16 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Retain Mike

I have to agree with those who advise checking the accuracy of your rifle before blowing a wad on optics.

Most “rack grade” M1A’s will shoot 3MOA out of the box with good ammo if you do your part. Perform a few tweaks and you can tighten that up. Adding a scope to a 3MOA rifle makes it a 3MOA scoped rifle.

If you decide to get optics don’t “over-scope”. Something in the 2-7x variable range works fine for a .308 rifle.

Lastly, check out M14forum.com for all things M1A and M-14.


13 posted on 06/08/2013 1:02:51 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Retain Mike

Here is the scope that Marine snipers currently use: http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-store/usmc-scope-ssds.html


14 posted on 06/08/2013 1:21:55 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Retain Mike

Oh, and the scope it replaced was the Unertl/US Optics MST-100. Also available on the open market.


15 posted on 06/08/2013 1:24:23 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Retain Mike

Bump for being in a similar boat myself.


16 posted on 06/08/2013 1:46:21 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Retain Mike
I suggest a Tasco Super Sniper 10x42M available from SWFA.com. This is a Mil-Dot scope built under license by Howa Optics in Japan for SWFA. It is manufactured to the same Mil-Spec as the Leopold Mk 4. The scope is nitrogen filled, has the reticle etched on the optical glass, a 30mm tube, large w&e adjustment knobs, and has left side parallax adjustment. Price is $399.00. I have three on various rifles. I use it with A.R.M.S. No. 22M throw lever rings. The Super Sniper is proofed to handle .50 BMG recoil loads. Here: http://www.swfa-ss.com/
17 posted on 06/08/2013 2:15:53 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Retain Mike
If the military is paying the bill (there is a reason he is known as 'Uncle Sugar') you're looking at Schmidt & Bender for long range optics with exceptional light gathering abilities. Next in line would be something by Zeiss.

Nikon, Leupold, SWFA, Burris, Simmons, Tasco and a few others would merit consideration.
And when you get into the "used military" riflescopes...its another big bag of choices.
18 posted on 06/08/2013 8:20:47 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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