Posted on 06/18/2013 9:08:35 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
Does this not constitute a loophole?
I think we can argue about whether it is a significant problem, but not that it provides a legal way for people to sell guns in a public venue without being registered or licensed, etc.
Would this also apply at, say, a flea market? Could I sell a gun there without paperwork other than what might be required by state law?
A sensible position. When a firearm is used in a violent crime, I am normally in favor of life without parole, or the death penalty, just as I am when a knife, hammer, or chainsaw is used for the same crime - and that is more than enough gun/knife/hammer/chainsaw control. Otherwise, I do not approve of restricting citizens on the off chance that the inconvenience might prevent a crime. "Shall not be infringed" is perfectly clear.
A collector show is a bit of a different animal than a public gun show. As you noted the attendees are known actors who have already submitted to a background check. C&R license holders are much the same. A C&R can buy any C&R gun, even a handgun, without paperwork or submitting to a waiting period.
I don’t know all of the laws... but I do know the last gun show I was at... a friend walked up to a table with many guns on it, picks up one and says “is it used”.... guy behind the table says “a little used...it’s had a few clips fired through it”. My friend lays down 12 100 dollar bills... and the gun is his. No names mentioned, no checks, just free market system. I personally think that’s not a problem. But I suspect it is a transaction that the left doesn’t care for.
In my case, I would say nothing at all and consult an attorney.
You will have no idea just what trouble you might get into by even admitting to having ever owned the weapon in question. You have little to lose and potentially much to gain by refusing to be the source of any evidence whatever.
Have you watched the videos on Youtube explaining why you should NEVER talk to the police?
To summarize the most important point I got from the videos: "Even if you tell the absolute truth, you may come under suspicion if your otherwise irrelevant but truthful statement is mistakenly contradicted by some other trustworthy person whom the police choose to believe ."
If you make no statement at all, there will be no contradiction.
“I would really appreciate an explanation of what this loophole is supposed to be, and perhaps of why it isn’t one.”
It is called a private sale. Essentially two guys in a parking lot, one hands over the cash, one hands over the gun. The gun-grabbers call it a loophole because they want the government in on all transfers of firearms, so they can eventually track them all down and confiscate them.
See post 64. Sounds more like what they are talking about.
Excellent point. You’re innocent & confident that the truth will out. The police are there to count coup & hang the coonskin on the wall.
In grade school we were introduced to Officers Mike & Steve who said, “If you have a problem, come see us. We’re your friends.”
How times have changed.
>>You can still rent a table without an FFL, and you can sell firearms.<<
>Not in any state I’ve attended shows in for the past two decades. No FFL, no firearm sales. It may be different elsewhere. I see how this could be contstrued as a “gun show loophole”. <
Come to Nevada. A table was $25 last year.
>>What I have not been able to get someone to explain to me satisfactorily is why does a background check of me need to list the number, make and model of each gun I am purchasing? Is the check of me or the gun? Why do they need to know what gun I am buying? <<
To put it in the registration data base for future confiscation.
Precisely.
All I can say is, either you believe "the People" refers to everybody, or you don't.
There are people who are un"comfortable" with you being able to buy a firearm. How much should their "comfort" affect your rights?
How much should your "comfort" affect anyone else's rights?
The show will require any dealer selling firearms at the show to have an FFL, no exceptions. You can still rent a table without an FFL, but you can't sell firearms.
*Some* shows will require you to have an FFL to get a booth- it depends on the policies of the show operator (and state law, as well, probably). Plus, there are many things besides guns sold at gunshows- it would be silly of them to require me to have an FFL in order to sell flag cases and other items that I make (which I do). I occasionally sell a gun or some ammo at a show- nothing has ever been said about it.
you don’t actually buy it over the internet. you would contact the person over the internet and go meet them- no different then buying, for example, a car from a classified ad. you see the ad saying it’s for sale, you contact the seller, then meet the person face to face, look at what they’re selling, and then choose whether or not to buy it.
it gives you and the seller a chance to back out at any time, for any or no reason.
You do not need a FFL to rent tablespace to sell non-firearm items, but in many states you will absolutely need one to sell firearms. Apparently there are exceptions, which IMO unwisely plays into the narrative of the Party of Evil.
Perhaps I was not clear enough- they should have the same right to BUY a firearm as I do. They should NOT have the right to put their hand in MY pocket to buy it! Let them pass on their six packs, smokes, lotto tickets and Mickey D's and save up for it.
I an live with that. The right to “Miranda”-style arms is a pipe dream anyway, outside the novels of John Ringo.
I *can live with that...
Also, we need to re-legalize so-called “Saturday Night Specials”.
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