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Xbox One DRM restrictions dropped after gamer outcry
guardian.co.uk/ ^ | Wednesday 19 June 2013 17.28 EDT | Keith Stuart

Posted on 06/20/2013 4:32:23 AM PDT by Caipirabob

Microsoft responds to global outcry and removes daily online requirements and restrictions to pre-owned sales. Xbox president, Don Mattrick, thanks gamers for 'candid feedback'

Microsoft has sensationally abandoned its controversial plans to restrict the sharing of Xbox One games, and has also removed daily online authentication requirements for its forthcoming console.

In a statement released on the Xbox website on Wednesday, Don Mattrick, the president of Microsoft's interactive entertainment business, wrote that the company had listened to "candid feedback" from gamers. Before listing the changes, his explanation reads, "You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Computers/Internet; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: gamers; microsoft; one; ps4; sony; xbox
Following up on a post from two days ago - cheers!
1 posted on 06/20/2013 4:32:23 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: freedumb2003; HiTech RedNeck; 2ndDivisionVet; dorothy; KarlInOhio; VeniVidiVici; miliantnutcase; ...
A conclusion to this discussion.

Microsoft boss defends Xbox One price

Xbox One - SING!


2 posted on 06/20/2013 4:37:22 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

still going to go with ps4, each to their own heh.


3 posted on 06/20/2013 4:41:46 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Caipirabob
Microsoft responds to global outcry and removes daily online requirements and restrictions to pre-owned sales. Xbox president, Don Mattrick, thanks gamers for 'candid feedback'

My thinking was that this was an interesting case study in the free market. MS was demonstrably not listening to it's consumers and they were literally "storming the caste" over a box that was apparently designed by lawyers and not gamers, catering more to DRM than simply being a gaming console that was easy to use and fun to play.

The outcry over the limitations that were going to be intentionally incorporated as standard functionality lead MS to reconsider their positions.

We have several Xboxes at home and no PS3s, before I go on. This is a nice concession, however having considered the lack of backward compatibility, we are basically back to square one as far as comparing to the PS4, which was the default choice prior to this announcement.

Given my experiences with two XBricks, I'm concerned that even if Xbox was $100 less, equal to the PS4, I'd give the PS4 a shot given we can't play the current library on the new system. We'd have to buy the current gen Xbox if another one bricks. It's kind of like considering the quality implications of a Chevy versus a Toyota in that arena. There's more than a little anger still after two RRODs (Red Ring of Death - the failure code for an Xbox which they are notorious for.) We've had to replace 66% of our units to put this in perspective and we suspect it will reach 133% shortly.

4 posted on 06/20/2013 4:46:45 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Bulwyf
still going to go with ps4, each to their own heh.

We are considering a change, too.

This is a household that had no Apple products 4 years ago and now everyone in the favor has one of their gadgets. Quality, convenience and utility wins every time. Pick something and do it well. "Big Brother Box" apparently was a hard sell.

5 posted on 06/20/2013 4:49:07 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob
I just wonder, how in bed is Microsoft with the NSA, IRS, BATF and BIG government in general, in handing over private information?
6 posted on 06/20/2013 4:51:00 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Caipirabob

I’m not into this garbage (better things to do with my time), but it is in line with their stupid move to send Microsoft Office into the cloud. I think there will be hell to pay with that stunt too.


7 posted on 06/20/2013 4:51:42 AM PDT by BobL (To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
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To: Caipirabob

I’d rather do business with North Korea than with Microsoft


8 posted on 06/20/2013 4:53:33 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: 2001convSVT
"how in bed is Microsoft with the NSA, IRS, BATF and BIG government in general"

Well, Bill Gates was always of the same mindset.

9 posted on 06/20/2013 4:53:55 AM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Caipirabob

Yes, they seem to have many things that would indicate a massive infringement on privacy.

Either way with technology we always take our chances heh.


10 posted on 06/20/2013 5:08:28 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: BobL
im with you - it has no appeal to me - now if you wanna talk hunting, 32 fords and bbq, Im all ears....

Part of it sickens me in a way - we all say war is hell - yet we willingly choose it as entertainment....I dont get it....

11 posted on 06/20/2013 5:10:46 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Caipirabob

F- Microsoft.
Everyone now knows what their intentions are.
That they actually planned to launch a major cutting edge product with these restrictions shows the seriousness of their intent to move towards this business model. They WILL do this just as soon as they are able. If not for Sony offering an alternative their response to their customers would have been ‘p!ss-off if you don’t like it.’
The Xbox One will NEVER enter my home. Period.


12 posted on 06/20/2013 5:14:58 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Revelation 911

Especially when you have kids. You realize that these “games” are extensively researched and tested to specifically addict kids...and, I guess, adults.

They are so effective that when one of my kids nearly got kicked out of school for not studying, I didn’t get mad, I just told him that it wasn’t his fault, because there is simply NO WAY a normal kid can fight these things off.


13 posted on 06/20/2013 5:16:56 AM PDT by BobL (To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
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To: Caipirabob

Microsoft felt bold enough in their position to actually show their customers what they really think of them with the original restrictions and DRM.

To me it’s the equivalent of Obama actually coming right out in a press conference and telling all of America what he really thinks with no filter.


14 posted on 06/20/2013 5:21:32 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: 2001convSVT

There is actually a congressional bill being forwarded right now that addresses this specifically, I wish I had time to post it for you. “we are watching you act” or something if you can check it out. Cheers....


15 posted on 06/20/2013 5:24:18 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

Talk about arrogant overreach! Even my 16-year-old son — as devoted an Xbox slave as any on earth — said Microslop stepped in it bigtime this time.


16 posted on 06/20/2013 5:29:14 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Caipirabob

17 posted on 06/20/2013 5:44:15 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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To: Caipirabob

PS4 all the way for me.


18 posted on 06/20/2013 5:48:21 AM PDT by ForAmerica (Texas Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: Caipirabob

Ever since my son was born two years ago, I haven’t touched a video game. I used to play Madden and Halo a lot in my spare time, and now I seemingly don’t have all that much.

I don’t even miss it really either. The new systems are intriguing though and I may take a look at getting one in November, as we need a DVD/Blu Ray player anyways.

That said, I’ve had both Playstation and Xbox consoles and not a “fanboy” of either one. I like the hardware better on the Playstation but the Halo series and Gears of War were always fun exclusives on the Xbox.

Microsoft was wise to reverse their DRM policy but the damage has been done. At some point in time the industry will go all online and Microsoft knew this, yet the consumers aren’t ready for it (hence the outcry). Even then I’m not sure if it’s considered “progress” or not.

Having all of your games stored on the system (or possibly via cloud storage) has its advantages, but the pesky sharing restrictions would kill the used game business model that businesses like Gamestop and Gamefly have been using pretty successfully.

Not only that, but property should be property. If I buy a game, I should be able to do whatever I want to with it. Imagine kids coming over for sleepovers and instead of just bringing their games and an extra controller, they have to bring entire systems over to play a certain game. Pretty stupid, but that’s the mess that the former DRM policy would’ve created.


19 posted on 06/20/2013 5:57:04 AM PDT by AskNotReceiveNot
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To: Caipirabob
But is Big Brother Kinect still required?


20 posted on 06/20/2013 6:08:30 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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Now, get rid of the requirement to have the Kinect connected, and I may consider staying with XBox.

Not really, I'm going with a PS4 when the 360 dies.

21 posted on 06/20/2013 6:46:32 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: Caipirabob
Given my experiences with two XBricks, I'm concerned that even if Xbox was $100 less, equal to the PS4, I'd give the PS4 a shot given we can't play the current library on the new system. We'd have to buy the current gen Xbox if another one bricks. It's kind of like considering the quality implications of a Chevy versus a Toyota in that arena. There's more than a little anger still after two RRODs (Red Ring of Death - the failure code for an Xbox which they are notorious for.) We've had to replace 66% of our units to put this in perspective and we suspect it will reach 133% shortly.

I've had three Xbox units. One was an original XBox that I got late 2004. I got the RROD with relatively little playing time on it. Replaced it in 2008 with an XBox 360. It went Tango Uniform on me in late 2010. Neither Xbox was ever hooked up to the network. Simply used them for stand-alone campaign mode play. Bought a 360 slim in early 2011 and have had no issues. Since February 2012, I've been on line at least 4 times a week for at least an hour at a time or better, and have used it probably 10 times more than both the other two combined.

22 posted on 06/20/2013 7:00:11 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: Bulwyf

Pre-ordered the PS4 for one of my sons. He’s had both PS3 and Xbox consoles over the years. I can’t tell you how many times he’s had to send the Xbox in for repair or replacement.


23 posted on 06/20/2013 7:11:59 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: 2001convSVT

“I just wonder, how in bed is Microsoft with the NSA, IRS, BATF and BIG government in general, in handing over private information?”

I would say not just in bed with them, but the hot tub as well.


24 posted on 06/20/2013 7:21:36 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I think that’s the guy who does the “Replacer” video’s for Call of Duty Black Ops II.


25 posted on 06/20/2013 7:56:46 AM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: Revelation 911
Part of it sickens me in a way - we all say war is hell - yet we willingly choose it as entertainment....I dont get it....

We have played Chess for thousands of years. It is a war game. Risk is a war game.

War is hell when you are in it and getting splattered by the brains of the guy beside you.

When you are playing it on board or screen it becomes an interesting puzzle.

26 posted on 06/20/2013 8:13:16 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: mass55th

What about you? Not getting one for yourself? heh, I’m 37, perhaps I shouldn’t play video games anymore, not like I have much time to anyways.

I did see the information on ps4 though, and it looks pretty good.


27 posted on 06/20/2013 8:24:01 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

None for me. I’m a 65 year old female. Never got interested in console games. My kids have had them all over the years. The original Atari, Colecovision, etc. Youngest son is 42...oldest son is 46.


28 posted on 06/20/2013 8:27:28 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

Elektronite is still developing new Intellivision games.


29 posted on 06/20/2013 8:29:05 AM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
chess / Risk - are a bit more cerebral and I'll concede that - however chasing around the neighbor kids in 67 with a Mattel brand M16 toy gun was something altogether different

I hope you can see that

30 posted on 06/20/2013 9:21:21 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
So won't you run and play with me here among the teeming mass of humanity? The universe has spared us this moment.

love it btw

31 posted on 06/20/2013 9:23:01 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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32 posted on 06/20/2013 9:56:54 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: mass55th

I remember getting coleco in 85 for Christmas, was great heh


33 posted on 06/20/2013 11:53:35 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Revelation 911
Sure, but chasing other kids with super soakers, ambushing them with water balloons or just whacking at each other with sticks is great fun as a kid.

Ah, who am I kidding? The super soakers and water balloons are still fun. I don't make things go boom or whack at people with sticks anymore though. I guess age has mellowed me.

We are a naturally aggressive competitive species and the challenge is to find a way in both work and play to channel that aggression into something productive.

Some times with children the best way to do that is with thinking games and other times it is with physical games.

But young and old, we have always played at war. From board games to jousts.

I think that if we ever stop playing at war, that will be a sign that something has gone seriously wrong.

34 posted on 06/20/2013 3:42:12 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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