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People that Won’t Survive SHTF
The Modern Survivalist ^ | June 11, 2013 | Fernando Aguirre

Posted on 06/22/2013 8:34:12 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator

It happened a few years ago during a trip to USA for the Self Reliance expo in Utah. After the expo we decided to go have dinner to this place nearby. Jack Spirko was driving and as he turned to enter a parking lot he had to hit the breaks to avoid running over a woman and her two brats that just walked in front of the car without a care in the world. “People like these, they will be the first ones to go when SHTF” said Jack.

You know what? Jack was right. People like that are the ones that will suffer the most during disasters, even the ones that are more likely to die as life gets harder.

Now that I live in a more civilized part of the world I see it all the time as well. Whenever we witness some Darwin defying stupidity, my wife usually shakes her head and says “some of these people, they wouldn’t last a week in Argentina without getting killed”, and I know she’s right on a number of levels.

First, there’s that level of utter stupidity that makes zombies look like theoretical physicists. These are people that that not only walk without the most basic level of awareness, as in the minimum required not to get run over by cars when crossing the street and playing with your cellphone, but they also lack the most elemental parenting instinct so as to watch over their kids too. I’ve lost count already of the people that I’ve seen walking and crossing the street as if walking across their living room. I’m 100% certain that as my wife says, these people would be dead within a week in Buenos Aires just because of buses, taxi drivers, lack of proper street signaling and the average nutcase behind the wheel which is the typical Argentine driver.

I see parents letting they kids wonder away like they wouldn’t do with the dog they are walking, taking for granted that some good Samaritan will find their kid and return it to them, rather that kidnap the child for ransom or worse.

Then there’s the absolute ignorance regarding anything that slightly resembles home and personal security. People might as well put signs on the door saying please rob me. The doors and lock themselves are a joke which is bad enough, but then to make it even worse people leave their doors opened all the time. I’ve lost count of the people that came to my home to deliver something or do some repairing and were stunned that I dare close the gate to my back yard! You close your front AND BACK door? Madness! Again, you don’t get away with that for long in most of South America.

To some degree I can somehow justify most of it. They walk like children in a playground because they are used to cars stopping waiting for them to cross. They take for granted the drivers will see them, will stop, will be responsible drivers. They just aren’t used to moving around in a world where a third of the people driving wouldn’t have passed a proper driving test or bus drivers that, I kid you not, at least half of them are clinically insane.

Same goes for security. People here, most of them have never been mugged in their life, most have never seen the wrong end of a gun barrel. They’ve never suffered a home invasion or even know friends of family that have gone through that. Its all so distant and unreal to them. Not long ago there was this scam going around here. A guy would knock on people’s door, claim to be from the power or cable company saying there was a problem with their billing, and people would downright give them their credit card and banking information! In Buenos Aires I doubt anyone would have opened the door to them, let alone give away you credit card like that.

If we add to this the general self-indulgence and lack of maturity shown by many adults, then you start wondering how will a lot of these people fare even with a slight degradation of their perfectly safe, idiot-proof world.

There’s always exceptions, but for some reason they seem to be a clear minority. A significant number of people cant take care of themselves, let alone their kids. They struggle during the good times they wouldn’t even know where to begin in the bad ones.

People have to toughen up. They have to become more aware, more responsible for themselves and their own families. I’m not even talking about material preparations here. I’m talking about a significant change of mindset and attitude towards life, one that those lacking it have no way of making it if disaster or even just hard times strike.

FerFAL


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I could not help but think of the "Obamaphone" woman when I read this.
1 posted on 06/22/2013 8:34:12 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator
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To: VRW Conspirator
I see parents letting they kids wonder away

They kids be wonder like that? Fo' shizzle?

2 posted on 06/22/2013 8:36:21 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: VRW Conspirator

BFL. Interesting read.


3 posted on 06/22/2013 8:37:27 AM PDT by MaxMax (I'f you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: VRW Conspirator

We employ locks and deadbolts all the time along with a security system and no where in my home am I more than 10 feet from a ready to go airborn home defense system aka shotgun or pistol.


4 posted on 06/22/2013 8:39:42 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: VRW Conspirator

Oh no, they will survive a while. They have had to survive in a world where everything that is not locked behind doors, chained to the floor, and wrapped with wire is stolen. The Obamaphone types (be they black, white, brown or yellow) know how to get what they want—when they need to.

They are used to violence and fighting. I haven’t lived that way for a long time. My kids have never lived that way.

No, you will lose a lot more in the suburbs than the inner city.

The inner city will go due to violence, but they will march into the suburbs and get what they want. Until someone shoots them.


5 posted on 06/22/2013 8:48:31 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Mouton

My home is a very dangerous place for anyone who wishes me harm.


6 posted on 06/22/2013 8:48:57 AM PDT by Fred911 (YOU GET WHAT YOU ACCEPT)
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To: VRW Conspirator
Dumb people don't bother me. Dumb people who vote do.

I'm amazed at the number of late model, expensive vehicles which I see around here still sporting Obama bumper stickers.

Most of the rest of us drive basic transportation and have long since either removed our stickers for the other guy or replaced them with clever stickers saying something like "Don't Blame Me. I voted for the American."

7 posted on 06/22/2013 8:49:24 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Mouton

And I just saw the first person drive by my place in over a week. Sometimes it’s month’s especially in the winter.

Location, location, Location. I’m pretty sure that less than fifty people in the whole county know I’m here.


8 posted on 06/22/2013 8:53:24 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: VRW Conspirator
I was stationed in Buenos Aires ingvthe late 1980s. We lived in a very nice neighborhhod in what I thought was a a pretty safe 'house. It was bordered on three sides by other nice houses. There was an eight foot wall in the back yard. I use to hang my sweaty running stuf on a clothesline just outside the kitchen. Because I knew the neighbors behind had a noisy German Shepherd, I got pretty lax in locking the door. Unbeknownst to me, the neighbors behind had moved, taking my protection with them. Then one May morning, I came downstairs and noticed a change in usual light patterns. I looked around, and found that we had been burgled. The thieves took my VHS, my daughter's flute and my brand new Bass Weejins, the bastards. Scary to realize that we were burgled while sleeping. I reported this to the Security Officer at the Embassy who dispatched his police liaison officer to deal with the BA Police. They came to investigate in November.

The traffic in BA is horrendous, but it doesn't hold a candle to the Shah's Teheran or Tokyo. Still, BA was the best place in the world to eat world class beef or consume excellent Andean wine.

9 posted on 06/22/2013 8:54:55 AM PDT by Ax
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To: VRW Conspirator

Two good pieces on what may happen when SHTF:

http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/what-i-saw-at-the-coup/

http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/

One is kind of a essay, the other fictional.


10 posted on 06/22/2013 8:56:19 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: The Working Man

NSA and nobama know.


11 posted on 06/22/2013 8:56:30 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Kartographer

Take a lookie.


12 posted on 06/22/2013 8:58:26 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: hal ogen

Yep, There’s no escaping from the Eye of Sauron I’m Afraid.


13 posted on 06/22/2013 8:58:56 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Vermont Lt
The inner city will go due to violence, but they will march into the suburbs and get what they want. Until someone shoots them.

I noticed you said "Until" not "Unless." Conservative working class suburbs like mine will shoot them a lot sooner than the ritzy liberal suburbs surrounding bigger cities like Philadelphia and New York.

14 posted on 06/22/2013 9:02:48 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Ax

When I was a kid living overseas in an Asian Country, the house we lived in had a nice high concrete wall with broken glass cemented into the top of it. All of the windows had bars on them even the Garage had a barred cage door. You might have thought we lived in a prison and therefore was ‘safe’.

Ha! The thieves could break in, strip you bare in less than five minutes if they thought you had something they wanted. I learned there that one of the best defense was total obscurity, drive a dirty looking vehicle, wear plain looking clothes, try to blend in, even if that worked only from a distance. It could mean a big difference, if you were being profiled in preparation for... whatever.


15 posted on 06/22/2013 9:06:35 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: VRW Conspirator
taking for granted that some good Samaritan will find their kid and return it to them

I once knew a guy who swore his parents would take him to Coney Island and immediately lose him, so that they could enjoy their day without him until they picked him up at the lost-child shelter when it was time to go home.

16 posted on 06/22/2013 9:09:01 AM PDT by expat2
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To: VRW Conspirator
People here, most of them have never been mugged in their life, most have never seen the wrong end of a gun barrel. They’ve never suffered a home invasion or even know friends of family that have gone through that. Its all so distant and unreal to them.

what a BS article. the guy makes it sound like its a problem you have never been mugged. stupid.

17 posted on 06/22/2013 9:10:00 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Ax

There are many parallels with the USA and Argentina. But, I keep coming back to one idea. American is not Argentina. Yes, when the SHTF, there will be more crime and more havoc in America. But the backbone of America is not full of socialists. FWIW


18 posted on 06/22/2013 9:12:06 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: expat2

Was his name Rodney Dangerfield?


19 posted on 06/22/2013 9:13:01 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Vermont Lt
but they will march into the suburbs and get what they want

I'm not so sure. I lived in the suburbs of Detroit during the 1967 Detroit riots and my neighbors were getting their guns out, expecting the rioting minorities to come marching up Woodward Avenue. But they never got far from their hood.

20 posted on 06/22/2013 9:14:26 AM PDT by expat2
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To: VRW Conspirator

I’m particularly amused by the yuppies here in MA that bought homes with no fireplace.


21 posted on 06/22/2013 9:14:51 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: VRW Conspirator

“I see parents letting they kids wonder away”

Wonder?


22 posted on 06/22/2013 9:15:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Vigilanteman

And you will leave nothing at all for the eagerly waiting hillbillies in the hinterlands.

;D


23 posted on 06/22/2013 9:17:15 AM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: VRW Conspirator

The doors and lock themselves are a joke which is bad enough, but then to make it even worse people leave their doors opened all the time.


My poor wife has the patience of a Saint.

First, she had to deal with me concerning the layout of the home we purchased. No glass along the door frames. Choke points at the entries.

Second, the two replacement doors had to be steel with no glass.

Finally, absolutely no facebook postings of “we’re going away for the weekend!” “This is our location and our house is vacant!”


24 posted on 06/22/2013 9:17:41 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Vermont Lt

Most of these Obama-dependents have had the basic necessities of life like food and shelter given to them free of charge from big daddy government. The stealing they do is for things like $150 pair of sneakers or iPods, and they have stolen from people who are far less vigilant than they would quickly become in a SHTF scenario. These Obamanauts have never developed the slightest work ethic. Nor have they developed critical thinking skills or an ability to reason cause and affect beyond the affects of very simple immediate causes. In a true SHTF scenario they would not last.


25 posted on 06/22/2013 9:19:51 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: VRW Conspirator

People who don’t compete don’t compete.


26 posted on 06/22/2013 9:20:08 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: VRW Conspirator
My DI always said, "keep your hands out of your pockets, and your head on a swivel, no matter where you are."

Oh, and "keep five," constantly.

5.56mm

27 posted on 06/22/2013 9:24:06 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: TADSLOS

Marty was a real guy, graduate of MIT who ignored his technician’s warning about the siting of his new house and garage. After the next big thunderstorm there was a photo in the local newspaper of the Fire Dept. pumping out all the water that had run down the driveway, into the garage, and then into the basement.


28 posted on 06/22/2013 9:25:54 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Mouton

“no where in my home am I more than 10 feet from a ready to go airborn home defense system aka shotgun or pistol.”

I doubt that.


29 posted on 06/22/2013 9:26:32 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: expat2

LOL.


30 posted on 06/22/2013 9:28:41 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Salamander
Don't worry. The smarter ones will keep moving on once we decorate a few trees, light poles and overpasses with the carcasses of the looters.

I'm sure you hillbillies have far more clever things in mind. If not, I can give you some creative ideas from my Native American ancestors.

31 posted on 06/22/2013 9:29:55 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: M Kehoe
Oh, and "keep five," constantly.

What does that mean?

Thanks.

32 posted on 06/22/2013 9:29:57 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: VRW Conspirator

So this guy is turning off the street and into a parking lot. Were the “woman and her two brats” on the sidewalk?


33 posted on 06/22/2013 9:34:22 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: thecodont
What does that mean?

When in a combat theater of operations, on patrol, five yard spacing between Grunts.

5.56mm

34 posted on 06/22/2013 9:38:13 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Thane_Banquo

Agree, but those that do survive will be hard core!


35 posted on 06/22/2013 9:39:03 AM PDT by Bob Mc
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


36 posted on 06/22/2013 9:39:03 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: VRW Conspirator
It is hard to say who would survive a shtf type of situation.

Preparation helps in all forms of life. But, it is not a sure thing. Accidents and incidents sometimes weed out the unlucky. That is life.

37 posted on 06/22/2013 9:43:13 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Vigilanteman

most of those expensive vehicles are gm or chryslers. hardly see them driving fords.


38 posted on 06/22/2013 9:51:26 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Vigilanteman

We’ve already assimilated Native American “stuff”, having lived cheek-and-jowl with them for a long time.

Plus, there’s all that Celtic creativity.

:)

[I would think the ‘smarter ones’ would pass us by..being ‘smart’ and all]

;D


39 posted on 06/22/2013 9:51:44 AM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: Kirkwood

Come on by and find out. Ten feet is a very conservative number btw.


40 posted on 06/22/2013 9:54:14 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: The Working Man

Which also means nobody is around to help.


41 posted on 06/22/2013 9:58:32 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: qaz123

Thanks for the links.


42 posted on 06/22/2013 10:01:11 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: Theoria
It is hard to say who would survive a shtf type of situation.

But it's pretty easy to identify those that won't.

/johnny

43 posted on 06/22/2013 10:17:25 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kirkwood
I doubt that.

I don't, I'm the same way. 3 steps to a loaded firearm from anywhere in the house.

/johnny

44 posted on 06/22/2013 10:22:01 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: VRW Conspirator

My ex has been mugged 5 times. Even a lady at work politely said that ‘at times’ she doesn’t have a clue. I’m afraid she’ll die a violent death. Obama voter. Thinks guns are the problem. No street smarts.


45 posted on 06/22/2013 10:24:12 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: VRW Conspirator

My brother and I call them ‘zoo people’. They are used to having everything handed to them, never having to really worry about anyone hunting them, there is always food, water, medicine readily available, always an awning to hide under when it rains.

Zero situational awareness in urban areas, I don’t know how they even survive in modern world. For sure they would either have to learn fast or die in even a localized SHTF situation.


46 posted on 06/22/2013 10:29:20 AM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins! We want the Cup!)
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To: driftdiver

Perhaps :-)


47 posted on 06/22/2013 10:39:01 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: JRandomFreeper

Interesting discussion. I just had to check it out. 9 “strides” from shower is furthest. Guess I will have to arm the bathroom with more than “silent, but deadlies”.


48 posted on 06/22/2013 10:46:32 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Gadsden1st
Sister came by a while back, and while looking for some particular sheet music, opened the piano bench and said: "Do you know there is a coach gun in your piano bench? And it's loaded?"

I don't allow my grandkids to come into the house until they pass their NRA safety course. ;)

/johnny

49 posted on 06/22/2013 10:53:02 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: VRW Conspirator
I think people wandering around parking lots are the ones most endangered. I look in all 4 directions before I slowly back out of my parking space. A few feet out and there are people who are oblivious that a Cheve Tahoe is slowly moving toward them. I haven't run over anyone yet..........
50 posted on 06/22/2013 10:56:41 AM PDT by Ditter
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