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Ann Coulter: "If you compare white populations, we have the same murder rate as Belgium"
http://www.theroot.com ^ | January 15, 2013 | Elon White

Posted on 06/25/2013 8:22:15 PM PDT by B4Ranch

To say I'm shocked at Coulter's assertion would just be a lie. This is Ann Coulter. She says ridiculous nonsense on a regular basis. But on top of her magically ridiculous statements, the oh-so-reasonable Sean Hannity -- the host who should rein in commentary on his show that has gone completely off the rails -- simply let her statement stand. Sure, she just said that gun violence is an issue only with communities of color, but whatever.

Since when are people of color Americans? If gun violence affects only them (which it doesn't), then we don't really need to address it!

So, quick question: With these shining staples of the right wing, why should nonwhites feel comfortable with the Republican Party again?

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"If you compare white populations, we have the same murder rate as Belgium"

That seems about right. It is a demographic problem.

1 posted on 06/25/2013 8:22:15 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch

Mr White seems to think Ann said there was no crime in Belgium.
That is NOT what she said.


2 posted on 06/25/2013 8:27:47 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: B4Ranch

The lefts response would be it’s racism in this country responsible for the minorities being so violent.

My solution would be to start the American Minority Repatration Act of 2013, to mandate immediate that all the ill-treated minorities (blacks, hispanics) will be sent back to their home countries where they can flourish and prosper in those safer, superior, native uptopian communities free of white American racism.


3 posted on 06/25/2013 8:28:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: B4Ranch

Political correctness forbids us from having a frank discussion about the issues involved here. You aren’t allowed to say that black on black violence, minority youth gang violence, etc. happens more frequently than such violence among whites. We have to be politically correct.

The left is outraged about this, not because of the facts of the situation, but because saying such things violates politically correct theology. The left does this all the time. The left is “offended” and “outraged” by certain comments, but do not address the content of said comments. We’re supposed to be silenced because the left gets offended.


4 posted on 06/25/2013 8:29:59 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: B4Ranch
"So, quick question: With these shining staples of the right wing, why should nonwhites feel comfortable with the Republican Party again?"

Because Malik Zulu Shabazz isn't one perhaps.

5 posted on 06/25/2013 8:30:22 PM PDT by VR-21 (I'm weary of being lorded over by criminals and gilded degenerates.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I donate to that.


6 posted on 06/25/2013 8:30:25 PM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: B4Ranch

“Throw a rock into a pack of dogs, and the one that yells is the one that got hit.”


7 posted on 06/25/2013 8:31:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: B4Ranch

This has been quietly suggested for years.

If you drew a circle of 800 miles around Iowa....you’d find statistics very similar to France or Germany, in terms of violence and murder.

If you draw a 800 mile circle around DC...to include Baltimore, Prince Georges County, and Montgomery county....you’ve got over 600 people killed on average a year. The assault and robbery numbers would be a national disgrace. Thankfully....no one gathers statistics like this.

It also works the same way for carbon footprints. If you were curious....most southern state have a carbon footprint similar to Germany or France. Then you come to Cal and Conn, which have tremendous footprints, because of the number of older coal plants and the amount of carbon they produce. Over thirty US states would be considered pro-active and carbon friendly....if they weren’t lumped into the same group with Conn and Cal.


8 posted on 06/25/2013 8:33:21 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: B4Ranch

Actually, I read a fairly definitive study that said just that. Gun violence is a demographic issue.

This is fact that can be easily demonstrated. It’s not racism. The numbers are there.

Take the non anglo groups out of the mix and you have 90 million white Americans with a gun violence rate as low as any of the predominately white European gun control states.

Simple facts that are not permitted in our Orwellian paradise.


9 posted on 06/25/2013 8:33:29 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Sorta like the muzzies being outraged and insulted about...everything.


10 posted on 06/25/2013 8:34:13 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: B4Ranch

What little excerpt of the article that was posted seems little more than an ad hominem attack-the-messenger reply. There is no discussion, at least in the excerpt, about whether Ann’s claim is, or is not, true based on actual numbers.


11 posted on 06/25/2013 8:34:20 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I propose we give them Detroit and Flint.
Oh, wait. We already tried that.


12 posted on 06/25/2013 8:34:54 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: B4Ranch

The race hustlers need something to complain about everyday.


13 posted on 06/25/2013 8:35:07 PM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: mylife

The problem that the violence impacts on White Americans seems okay to Mr. White. But to step into the big brown steaming pile of his mind, my take away from him is that to correct the problem we should take all the guns away from the people that are causing the problem. Now Republicans aren’t saying this, they are saying that everyone but CRIMINALS should be able to have guns.

It is the democrat party that wants to disarm law abiding Americans. So tell me why we should feel comfortable with democrats , ever?


14 posted on 06/25/2013 8:35:23 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: B4Ranch
It would be the liberals that are always noticing what color people are, they are always moaning about the "gun violence" and murder rates.

When a conservative does the same thing to point out that murder rates differ considerably between "persons of color," murder victims and perps, and the racial disparities.

15 posted on 06/25/2013 8:36:03 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: B4Ranch

Yeah. That’s not a new statistic. It applies to most nationalities though. Americans of English descent are less likely to commit murder than English in England. Even Camaroonians in the US are less likely to commit murder than Camaroonians in Camaroon.


16 posted on 06/25/2013 8:37:36 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: B4Ranch

If you compare black on black murder rates we are on par with Nigeria.


17 posted on 06/25/2013 8:37:39 PM PDT by doc1019 (There is absolutely no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.)
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To: Mouton

You already do. I’d propose to take all the Obamaphone money and divert it towards this far more urgent, necessary program. To get them out of this terribly racist environment and back to their native utopian civilizations.

I mean, when someone mentions the terms “safe”, “civilized”, “genteel” and “peaceful”, I mean don’t you just automatically think about any of the countries in Africa or South America?


18 posted on 06/25/2013 8:38:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I wish all that could fit into a tagline, because I would steal it...


19 posted on 06/25/2013 8:38:57 PM PDT by FatherFig1o155 (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil. -- Thomas Paine)
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To: B4Ranch

That just goes to show that minorities in America have the greatest problem with gun violence. Maybe minorities should deal with their cultural problems instead of finding ways to blame others, or counting on others to do it for them. Ann’s statement is consistent with crime statistics in general, and it reflects the percentages of minorities incarcerated for violent crimes. There is no need for a knee jerk reaction about racism. Sometimes the truth is necessary for solving problems, something the left knows little about.


20 posted on 06/25/2013 8:42:09 PM PDT by pallis
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To: B4Ranch

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/01/european-murder-rates-compared-to.html

Thursday, January 03, 2013
European Murder Rates Compared to the United States: Demographics vs Guns

When the subject is gun control, those who demand more for the United States always point to Europe. Europe, they say, has more gun control than the United States, and lower murder rates. Europe, of course, is a diverse place. Some places have lots of guns and low murder rates. Some places have few guns and higher murder rates. The reason that many developed European countries have murder rates much lower than the United States is not guns or gun control. It is demographics.

In 2006 the Department of Justice issued a report on violent felons in large urban counties. It covered the period from 1990 to 2002, and included the 75 most populous counties in the United States. The study accounted for over half of all the murders in the United States in the covered period.

Revealed in the study was a simple breakdown of the demographics of the murderers that is not commonly available. Murderers were divided into three groups. Blacks were the most numerous at 46%. Hispanics were next at 27 percent. Non-Hispanic whites were last at 23 percent.

While the study does not account for all murders in the period studied, it accounts for more than half and almost certainly slightly understates the percentages of Black murderers, because the latest FBI statistics (for 2010) show that when all the murders in the U.S are taken into account, the percentage of Black murderers is over 53 percent.

No one would dispute that there are several distinct cultures among the American black population. No one would dispute that none of these cultures exist in Europe in any statistically significant numbers. Some of the Black American subcultures probably have very low murder rates. We cannot tell because we do not have the data to distinguish between them.

Similarly, there are a number of distinct Hispanic cultures in the United States. These are all derived from cultures in Mexico, Central and South America, and the Caribbean. They are not Spanish or Portuguese. No one would argue that any statistical number of these populations exist in Europe. No doubt, some of these cultures also have very low murder rates, but without data, we cannot separate them out.

Where does that lead us? If we take the 23 percent figure for non-Hispanic whites to be representative for the entire population (remember, it is likely a good bit lower), then the number of murders committed by non-Hispanic and non-black people in the United States for 2010 would be 2989.

The population of non-Hispanic whites for 2010 was 196.8 million. Applying the 2989 murders to this population gives a murder rate of 1.52 per 100,000 population. We cannot get a more precise figure unless we have more demographic data than that given. Asian-Americans, for example, have historically had very low murder rates, but we do not have the data. The 1.52 per 100,000 murder rate is right in the middle of the murder rate of developed European countries. Add the Black and Hispanic numbers back into the mix and apply to the entire United States population, and the murder rate goes up to 4.2 per 100,000. Guns or gun control simply do not correlate to higher murder rates, particularly when you consider that non-Hispanic Whites own guns at much higher rates than do Blacks or Hispanics in the United States.

There are huge numbers of German-Americans, English-Americans, Greek-Americans, Italian-Americans, Scandinavian and Swiss-Americans in the United States. There are no statistically significant numbers of African-American or Hispanic-Americans in Europe.

As a check, you might consider a non-European example. Japan has extreme gun control and extremely low murder rates. The FBI used to track murders by Japanese-Americans before 1980, when access to firearms was relatively easy.

The murder rate of Japanese Americans was less than half that of Japanese in Japan.

Murder rates are driven by cultural background, not by the instrument used.


21 posted on 06/25/2013 8:43:45 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: B4Ranch

So, when the NJ state police conducted a study by taking photos of speeders on the NJ turnpike and found that an extraordinary number, versus the total population of drivers and speeders were black, the study, done by cameras and radar was “Racist”.

It was quickly hushed up.


22 posted on 06/25/2013 8:47:45 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: B4Ranch

The year 2012 was the first year in the USA that the death of White people out numbered the birth of White people.


23 posted on 06/25/2013 8:47:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: MestaMachine

I say “One Way Ticket Back, or into the middle of Lake Superior”.


24 posted on 06/25/2013 8:50:22 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The slamming of Paula Deen is an update to keep the white folks in line. We must look at ourselves as RACISTS!


25 posted on 06/25/2013 8:51:00 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Secret Agent Man
Have you seen this yet?

Nanny-cam-catches-moms-ruthless-beating-home-invader-daughter-watches

I have one word for people like this. Savages. They need to be returned to their tribes where they will most certainly fall under tribal justice laws. Our laws are made for a different class of people.

26 posted on 06/25/2013 9:04:08 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Zeneta

They don’t believe that they should be ruled by the White man anymore. After all, the Black King is in the White Hut now.


27 posted on 06/25/2013 9:05:44 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: VerySadAmerican

You should hear what a long time, very close Black friend has to say about the situation. He’s from Savannah and knows Paula personally. His mom and her mom have been life long friends.


28 posted on 06/25/2013 9:08:08 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: B4Ranch
"knows Paula personally"

So is she a closet creep or just a little slow upstairs with accompanying diarrhea of the mouth?

29 posted on 06/25/2013 9:14:37 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: B4Ranch

different class meaning “civilized” peoples.


30 posted on 06/25/2013 9:16:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Partisan Media Shill (blogger) ping.

Thanks B4Ranch.


31 posted on 06/25/2013 9:17:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Earthdweller

I see you’ve been properly trained. When the n word is used by everyone in your community and you are a child, guess what happens. You will say it too and never think anything of it. That’s how life was for many Southerners. If you wish to believe that you are above them, please do. They won’t be offended in the least.


32 posted on 06/25/2013 9:27:10 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Political correctness forbids us from having a frank discussion about the issues involved here. You aren’t allowed to say that black on black violence, minority youth gang violence, etc. happens more frequently than such violence among whites. We have to be politically correct.

Tell me about it. Heck, we cannot even have a frank discussion about the Paula Deen story let alone have a discussion on this one. On Facebook, I got into it with many others (1) including my high school social studies teacher and another who pulled the "I was just a poor, black kid" Race Card, he graduated ten years after me. I did have a few supporters though. I see myself generally as a libertarian and as such I try to see people as individuals and for the most part I do unless the person is so far gone into groupism, they become a lost cause. It's a sad fact, but true, with some exceptions, many minorities favor the group over the individual and use it as weapon on society to get their ways. I know Barry Goldwater voted against Civil Rights Act of 1964 because I think he foresaw it as weapon for groups to use to get their way against individuals, other groups and society at large. It paved the way for the group to be more important than the individual or property/business owner. I think all of that started with the sit in's in the 1950's where if the owner of a business refused to serve someone of a different race. Yes, it is not a good thing to do to another person or people plus it generally cuts into the pool of dollars that business owner could tap into under our free market system, but being a property and/or business owner does have it's perks.

Like I said above, we cannot have a frank discussion on something as minor as Paula Deen let alone Travon Martin/George Zimmerman case, if we can't do that, we cannot address these issues either.

(1) - OK, spare the "I told you so's" about Facebook debates, I asked myself in retrospect, when will I ever learn? Still there are times you can't let things go unanswered.
33 posted on 06/25/2013 9:32:59 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Welcome to "1984" 29 years later.....)
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To: B4Ranch
"When the n word is used by everyone in your community and you are a child, guess what happens."

So..it's confirmed then , diarrhea of the mouth is what cause the problem. In that case, I think she should be forgiven.

That said... I do not abide by creeps who use their region of birth as an excuse to dehumanize anyone. Lucky that tactic was not used here..eh? Have a good evening.

34 posted on 06/25/2013 9:34:16 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: B4Ranch

It’s not racial, it’s cultural. A culture that idolizes thuggery will breed thugs. This is the predominant black culture of today.

Whites don’t fare any better. We idolize stupidity (Kardashians), and we breed idiocy.


35 posted on 06/25/2013 9:41:34 PM PDT by PlanToDisappear
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To: B4Ranch
"... So, quick question: With these shining staples of the right wing, why should nonwhites feel comfortable with the Republican Party again?"

Um, lower chance of being a victim of violent crime?

Am I right?

36 posted on 06/25/2013 9:44:45 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Take the non anglo groups out of the mix and you have 90 million white Americans with a gun violence rate as low as any of the predominately white European gun control states.

Simple facts that are not permitted in our Orwellian paradise.

A+

37 posted on 06/25/2013 9:49:07 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: B4Ranch

No, they need to suffer sudden and acute failure of the victim selection process. Saves money on gas.

So how is the George Zimmerman trial going?


38 posted on 06/25/2013 9:49:17 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: B4Ranch

Mr. White seems to think that Ann Coulter’s mention of an accurate statistic proves that she does not care about black murders. I will ignore his diseased logic and just say that he misses Ann’s obvious point: If you want to reduce the number of murders, it is critically important to focus your efforts on the people who are committing those crimes. Has the anti-gun left been doing that? Of course not. They have been going after the mostly white NRA members who, as Ann’s statistic shows, are not the source of the problem.


39 posted on 06/25/2013 9:53:30 PM PDT by TChad
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To: B4Ranch

The only thing that matters to me is, “Is it true?” If it’s true, then let it be said. If it’s not, of course, it deserves disdain. But truth is the only criterion.


40 posted on 06/25/2013 9:55:37 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: pepsionice

somehow I think the “little circle” approach might be interesting the left beginning today.


41 posted on 06/25/2013 9:57:51 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: B4Ranch
I have one word for people like this. Savages.

Savages. A very descriptive word. It suggests a lack of cultural and social development when contrasted against civilization. With respect to adult authority figures, it implies negligence, whether willful or otherwise, in directing social development and instilling moral values.

They need to be returned to their tribes where they will most certainly fall under tribal justice laws. Our laws are made for a different class of people.

Tribes? I'm sorry to say that there is no monopoly on such savagery by any specific "tribal" group. There are plenty of savages to go around for all races. What you seem to be focusing are the higher percentages within certain demographics, I guess.

What gives one pause, I think, is the realization that there are some who are so ashamed of these demographic realities that they are willing to tolerate such behavior rather than acknowledge and repudiate it.

Amongst the most affected demographics, I suspect there's also a measure of fear involved with respect to speaking out more forcefully against such sociopathic cultural forces.

I believe we're seeing it in the Zimmerman case at this very moment.

No doubt the Muslim community experiences something similar.

42 posted on 06/25/2013 10:02:58 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: lepton
Americans of English descent are less likely to commit murder than English in England.

I'm skeptical of that. Do the English figures account for race? Blacks commit a disproportionate share of violent crimes there as well:

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Violent inner-city crime, the figures, and a question of race

26 Jun 2010

The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men and boys who police took action against for a range of violent and sexual offences in London in 2009-10.

They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54 per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes, 67 per cent. Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob and snatching property.

Just over 12 per cent of London’s 7.5 million population is black, including those of mixed black and white parentage, while 69 per cent is white, according to the Office for National Statistics.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html

43 posted on 06/25/2013 10:07:53 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: B4Ranch

Well Mr White, was her statement factually incorrect?


44 posted on 06/25/2013 10:12:37 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: B4Ranch

Elon White is a racist. If he’d had bothered to take 15 seconds to check, he would know that Ann has already written that crimes committed by blacks and whites is the same once you account for the children of single moms.


45 posted on 06/25/2013 10:15:14 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
...crimes committed by blacks and whites is the same once you account for the children of single moms.

I'm skeptical of that. Source?

46 posted on 06/25/2013 10:49:40 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: B4Ranch
Since when are people of color Americans? If gun violence affects only them (which it doesn't), then we don't really need to address it!

You can always tell when a liberal has no response to an argument--they just start screaming total non-sequiturs in an increasingly louder and more hysterical voice.

47 posted on 06/25/2013 10:57:57 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: mylife

Mr White? That’s his name? Perhaps he thought Ann was calling peopel with hte last name of white murderers i nbritain?


48 posted on 06/25/2013 10:59:19 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

[[We’re supposed to be silenced because the left gets offended.]]

We ARE silenced by it- just look at the gop in congress- everytime a leftie fakes outrage, the gop tuck tail and cower behind the nearest upright structure


49 posted on 06/25/2013 11:00:34 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

I don’t believe most repubs (as feckless as they are) have experienced an “upright structure” in a long while...if you catch my drift.


50 posted on 06/25/2013 11:10:28 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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