Obama's reaction to a Zimmerman acquittal - any thoughts?

Self | 07/04/13 | fwdude

[fwdude]

The real news, in the event of a George Zimmerman acquittal, will be Obama's reaction to the case, and the predictable violence that will follow. It is almost a certainty that his "Justice" department will pursue "civil rights violation" charges, and Zimmerman will be embroiled in this struggle for the rest of his life.

[yldstrk]

I believe the reports are that Trayvon appeared to be casing houses for burglaries, not just walking home. But where you lived is twisted: I was visiting in the Bay area and saw some boys race from a vehicle, knock a girl down, load her in the car and race off. I got the license plate and called it in. The police called me later and said it was some brothers getting their sister back home, I had to laugh.

[lonestar]

Obama's reaction will be as un-American as he can make it. Again!

There was way too much communist Mother/Grandmother and not enough apple pie in his upbringing!

[ladyjane]

My understanding is if GZ is found innocent there will be no civil case.

[Popman]

It is almost a certainty that his "Justice" department will pursue "civil rights violation" charges,

I sort of doubt it...even Holder can see there is no case here for civil rights violation...

Plus I am sure he has way better fish to fry...

Tea Party, Conservatives, 501 c, etc, the list is almost endless of Obama enemies...

[ladyjane]

For you to make a post like that it’s clear you are watching cable news to get your information. Why would you do that?

There are a number of websites that are covering the trial and have comments by real lawyers, not prima donna legal experts you are seeing on cable news. There are minute by minute tweets and analysis.

There’s is no way you could follow the trial closely and conclude he is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Now the jury may find him guilty but that will be because they fear for their safety and the safety of their families. It’s a sad day for our country that Florida has allowed this fiasco.

[Marcella]

I think there will be riots whatever the verdict is. Sharpton and Jackson and Hussein need riots all over the country to show how whitey has mistreated them. The element of blacks who riot are building up such a hatred, the verdict won’t matter. If he is convicted, then they riot because whitey has to go. If he is acquitted, they riot because whitey has to go.

[red-dawg]

Buckwheat's reaction will be WHATEVER HIS TELEPROMPTER TELLS HIM TO SAY.

[Bon mots]

Trayvon was just a bump in the road?

[Georgia Girl 2]

Expect Ostumbles to come on TV and say that the not guilty verdict is a travesty of justice or as the brothers will hear it “put the hurt on whitey”. Rioting to commence forthwith.

[ironman]

My predictions:
Case goes to jury, acquittal.
Very limited localized rioting
Obama: “Respect the judicial process.”
GZvsNBC settled out of court.
GZvsABC in particular Matt Gutman will be filed.
No civil rights charges or legal action by Crump.

[Jeff Winston]

The sad thing in all of this is that Zimmerman started the train rolling by his actions. Yes, I said it. He started the train rolling. He should have called the police and drove home if he thought Trayvon was suspicious. I come from Oakland myself (I’m white) and based on what Zimmerman has described, Trayvon was doing nothing suspicious in my book. A dude is allowed to walk home.

At this point, I don't think Zimmerman did a damn thing wrong, from a legal or ethical point of view.

I think he did do something wrong from a TACTICAL point of view. I'll get to that in a moment.

Yes, I think he followed someone who was behaving suspiciously, in a neighborhood where there had been break-ins.

Do I think he followed him for the purpose of getting into a physical confrontation? Hell, no.

I think he intended to follow Martin, at a distance, for the purpose of seeing exactly where he was going.

And I don't think that's a bad thing, when you've seen someone acting suspiciously. That's acting in the interest of your neighborhood.

Now, tactically... he made a mistake, and it almost cost him his life.

Once he had lost sight of Martin, he should not have looked further into an area in which he could potentially get ambushed. Particularly given that he was alone.

Very easy to do, but a risk.

He also should have maintained full awareness of everything going on around him. Very, very easy to say, "Well, I lost him," turn your back, and start walking back to the car. Tactically, a mistake.

He also should have avoided letting Martin get close enough to him to throw that first punch. Very difficult to avoid once Martin appeared. About the only options were to carefully retreat, or draw on someone who hadn't yet attacked you. Neither is a particularly good option. Probably the thing to do would have been to retreat slowly while keeping an eye on the person, and draw if he attacked.

Still, if he had shot Martin as he attacked, he would've ended up arguably worse off than he is now (assuming he never suffers any lasting effects from the physical attack).

Let me add to this that in spite of the above comments, I am not 100% certain Zimmerman is innocent. Those comments represent my understanding of how the situation most likely evolved.

All of that said, though, I don't believe Zimmerman is guilty. Nor do I believe there is enough evidence to convict him. Nor do I believe he should have to pay civil damages.

[ExpatGator]

He will make some inflammatory comments and blame it all on “old racist beliefs” or some such. Then they will start planning their next steps to take advantage of the chaos and consolidate control.

[COBOL2Java]

The riots that will occur throughout the urban areas will be his fondest dreams. It will be his Reichstag fire.

[Molon Labbie]

“Zimmerman described a person who was obviously not Frank Taffee, standing in Frank Taffee’s front yard (20 feet from the sidewalk) and looking at Frank Taffee’s house. Frank Taffee’s house had been burglarized in the past two month, if I have that detail correct.”

Thank you for bringing this up and I have tried to tell people this since this farce started.

Trayvon Martin was trespassing on another person’s property. A crime. George Zimmerman saw this and recognized it as such. He even mentioned it repeatedly in the video reenactment.

Furthermore, he trespassed behind other people’s houses when he was waiting to ambush Zimmerman, in the same area the slim jim was found later found. A slim jim can be a burglary tool if discovered under the right circumstances and TM had been found in possession of burglary tools in the past.

Here is something else to consider. Every citizen has the right to make a citizens arrest for a felony offense committed in their presence generally with the caveat that they know the offense is a felony. George Zimmerman could easily argue that he was trying to effect a citizen’s arrest after Trayvon feloniously assaulted him. His only means available to effect that arrest was his firearm. He fired to stop the assaultive action, not to kill. Trayvon died as tragic result of the shooting.

Works for the police, why not citizens?

[Cboldt]

-- Trayvon Martin was trespassing on another person's property. A crime. George Zimmerman saw this and recognized it as such. --

Crime or not, and Zimmerman did NOT think it was a crime in progress, he called the non emergency number, seeing a stranger in Frank Taffee's yard, looking at Frank Taffee's house, in the rain, made Zimmerman suspicious.

Contrast with the narrative made popular by the ever-lying press, that says Zimmerman didn't have reason to be suspicious.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

I think they let the cat out of the bag this morning, that the prosecution in his criminal trial are *not* pursuing a criminal conviction, but *are* setting Zimmerman up for a major wrongful death lawsuit by Martin’s parents.

Thus Zimmerman will be “OJ’ed”: acquitted, which will satisfy the “white people”, yet get a multi-million dollar lawsuit against him, with an all-black jury, for the “black people”. Which will be followed up by the MSM declaring the criminal jury “nuts” for having acquitted him.

There is another front to that war - Zimmerman v. NBC. NBC libeled Zimmerman; there is no credible defense against the charge. And if the Zimmerman legal team wakes up to the opportunity, it could strike a heavy blow at its main opponents - the propaganda media. It should expand its suit to the whole of the Associated Press, and its members individually. Charging them with responsibility for everything that happened to - and everything that Zimmerman and his family have been forced to worry about - Zimmerman since the day of the Martin-Zimmerman encounter. Including any threats of legal action which you mention above. And demanding triple damages under RICO because of all the collusion involved among essentially all of “the press” in America.     

People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty and justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to render them necessary. - Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations (Book I, Ch 10)

The Associated Press newswire is a virtual meeting operating continuously for the past century and a half. It has been a long time since news service journalism has been anything else but “a conspiracy against the public.” And for the past year or so that conspiracy has directed itself against the rights of George Zimmerman personally.

However, this being said, Florida does not want a federal civil rights lawsuit, so they have likely “poisoned the well” against that, too.

The other question is what happens between now and the acquittal - and unless the fix is in, it can only be an acquittal. The Zimmerman legal team has the real prosecution - Crump - in their sights, and if they are half as successful against him as they have been against the official prosecution, the results might even put paid to all of Zimmerman’s legal jeopardy including the feds. Because of that potential opportunity, I question whether the defense will even ask Judge Nelson for a summary acquittal tomorrow when the prosecution rests.

They will go after the testimony of Crump’s witness, Rachael J. It not being clear that Rachael J actually even is the original “Dee Dee."

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

A beer summit, with an empty chair representing Trayvon.

. . . but Trayvon was barely 17 when he lost that fight. Would you have the POTUS corrupting the morals of a minor with alcohol?

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Trayvon was doing nothing suspicious in my book. A dude is allowed to walk home.

Tell you what you do . . . get yourself invited to stay with a white family in a predominantly black neighborhood where you are a stranger, and as a perfect unknown, wander aimlessly through the neighborhood, at night, in the rain, checking out the houses. If you do that and aren’t challenged, walk between the houses instead on the sidewalk And stand on some stranger’s yard and try to look like you own the joint.

I’m sure nobody will bat an eye. </sarcasm>

Realistically, what is the prosecution’s scenario? It is that a perfectly innocuous, cherubic, prepubescent-looking child who is barely - barely, mind you - 17 is accosted and attacked by an evil white man with a gun. A man who, we know, had a black great-grandfather. A man who, we know, talked to the non-emergency police dispatcher eagerly importuning that the police arrive and expressed concern about any possibility of a confrontation. A man whom the cherubic youth had given the slip, and who could not by any means have been able to prevent him from getting home. And yet the white man is at fault because the two of them came in contact.

The cherubic youth, attacked by the man who was hopeful of the eminent arrival of the police, cried out for help for over half a minute before being dispatched by a single shot to the front of the torso at point-blank range. By a man of murderous intent who nevertheless declined the Miranda offer of legal counsel and told a perfectly - but not too perfectly - consistent story of having been sucker punched by Trevon Martin and battered about the head and face until he detected Zimmerman’s gun - at which time Zimmerman became certain that he would be killed if Martin got his gun. Zimmerman won the brief struggle to control and fire the gun. A story consistent with all forensic evidence, and with the testimony of a neighbor who didn’t know Zimmerman or Martin and gave his account of his observations that same night, and entirely independently of Zimmerman’s account.

Perhaps indeed Trayvon would still be alive if Zimmerman hadn’t gotten out of his truck. But then, Trayvon would almost certainly be alive - and in jail - if the neighbor who came upon the fight had whacked him in the head with the handle end of a baseball bat instead of making a superfluous call to 911.

[JouleZ]

Obama’s reaction

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“White Privladge” The new mantra of "victims".

[Hotlanta Mike]

A beer summit, with an empty chair representing Trayvon.

. . . but Trayvon was barely 17 when he lost that fight. Would you have the POTUS corrupting the morals of a minor with alcohol

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Corrupting the morals of a minor. This administration with its gay agenda are corrupting the morals of elementary school kids indoctrinating them to believe homosexuality is normal behavior.