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Should Colleges Charge Engineering Majors More Than English Majors?
The Atlantic ^ | 07/05/2013 | Jordan Weissman

Posted on 07/05/2013 7:45:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Classes in engineering and the sciences eat up a disproportionate portion of college resources. But schools that charge students a premium to study them might be making mistake.

Imagine opening a restaurant menu and finding that every dish, from the steak frites to frisse salad, costs $14.99. It would seem odd, right? After all, buying and cooking a ribeye is more expensive than throwing some lettuce in a bowl. Charging the same for each wouldn't make sense.

Yet, that's pretty much how most colleges price their majors. Undergrads pay the same flat rate per credit no matter what they study, even though different courses can require vastly different resources to teach. Giant freshman lectures are cheaper to run per-student than intimate senior seminars, and reading-heavy majors like history are cheaper than lab-oriented disciplines like biology. At New York's state colleges, to give one real-world example, advanced engineering or hard science courses cost more than five times as much to teach than low-level psychology classes. None of this tends to be reflected on tuition bills.

Should it? Would colleges, or students, be better off if higher ed finally nixed one price fits all?

This week, University of Michigan economist Kevin Stange released a new working paper that illustrates what one of the potential downsides of doing so might be. Over the last two decades, a growing minority of schools have in fact experimented with varying tuition by major. A Cornell study (which produced the graph below) found that 41 percent of public doctoral universities have tried charging a premium for at least one program -- usually engineering, business, or nursing. Looking at a sample of these schools, Stange's paper concludes that raising the price of certain majors seems to influence what students choose to study, though not always in predictable ways.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: college; engineering; english; tuition
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To: Standing Wolf

LOLOLOLOL! My mother used to send me a subscription to the Atlantic. I used to remove my name and dump them at the Dr’s office. hen I though about a little deeper and decided that I did not want to corrupt the minds of sick people. Now, I just dump them into the garbage.


21 posted on 07/05/2013 8:01:57 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ClearCase_guy

So in reality colleges should charge English majors more.


22 posted on 07/05/2013 8:03:25 AM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The study of English is a perfectly honorable pursuit. It’s also a hard major if you have a department that teaches it properly.


23 posted on 07/05/2013 8:04:17 AM PDT by Borges
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To: SeekAndFind

Engineering textbooks cost $100-$350, each

English textbooks cost $19.95


24 posted on 07/05/2013 8:04:33 AM PDT by kidd
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To: peyton randolph

A Philosophy major is a great prep for Law school. So is English.


25 posted on 07/05/2013 8:05:44 AM PDT by Borges
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To: SeekAndFind
The very first premise is false. English professors use the same classroom space as engineering professors. And they make the same six-figure salaries, too. So no, I'm not buying it.

Reduce the salaries of non-engineering professors, and then we can talk about reducing costs for non-engineering degrees.

26 posted on 07/05/2013 8:08:08 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: SeekAndFind
It all depends on whether they teach "cursive" or not. :)
27 posted on 07/05/2013 8:08:10 AM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: peyton randolph
They should charge a stupid tax on anyone majoring in philosophy, sociology, peace studies, womyn’s studies, black studies, LGBT studies, etc.

They do. It's called a low wage and it is paid until they get smarter.

28 posted on 07/05/2013 8:09:14 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SeekAndFind

Even better; let us take the STEM courses and skip all the other worthless crap.


29 posted on 07/05/2013 8:13:01 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Hoodat
English professors use the same classroom space as engineering professors. And they make the same six-figure salaries

Salaries vary by field. They are not paid the same.

Average Faculty Salaries by Field and Rank at 4-Year Colleges and Universities, 2010-11
http://chronicle.com/article/Average-Faculty-Salaries-by/126586/

30 posted on 07/05/2013 8:13:26 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m thinking “The Sewage Lagoon” would be a better name for it.


31 posted on 07/05/2013 8:14:17 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ClearCase_guy
My daughter was an English Literature major and had a job waiting for her when she graduated with a major publishing house. Back to the point of the article. I agree with you there should be no fee differential excepting perhaps laboratory fees.
32 posted on 07/05/2013 8:15:29 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SeekAndFind

And don’t forget to pay the departmental professors by the same formula.


33 posted on 07/05/2013 8:15:56 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Other way around.

Should gouge th4e dopes who want to waste four years on worthless degrees.


34 posted on 07/05/2013 8:16:05 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If anything, they should charge English majors more than Engineering majors. Engineering majors are going to be useful members of society while English majors have a sense of superiority baked into them, study literature through anachronistic filters of political correctness and belittle as “trade school” those courses that are designed to teach marketable skills.

Why should the hard workers subsidize a self-elected leisure class?


35 posted on 07/05/2013 8:17:40 AM PDT by Piranha (We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As a history major, I’ve actually voted nay at my alma mater whenever this proposal came up. I believe that by subsidizing more useful degrees, we can encourage more folks to do them. I’m ok with paying more if it means we can better control costs for critical degrees.


36 posted on 07/05/2013 8:18:31 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: SeekAndFind

I propose that faculty compensation be linked to the earnings of the average graduate of their respective programs.


37 posted on 07/05/2013 8:19:53 AM PDT by ET2020
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To: Gay State Conservative

Engineering students will migrate to dedicated engineering schools to get a quality education, rather than attending a place run by liberal arts subjective types.

One of our daughters chose Embry-Riddle, a university little heard of outside the aviation community. However, Embry-Riddle has a world-wide reputation in aviation. The higher private school tuition she paid has more that proved its worth by opening doors in industry and at NASA.

Our other three kids all graduated from nationally renowned universities and have done well in life. However, Embry-Riddle is the place which most impressed me as an institution of learning, HIGHER learning.

In related news, Georgia Tech has instituted an affordable, on-line masters program in computer science. http://www.gatech.edu/newsroom/release.html?nid=212951

Good engineering schools will develop efficient quality programs which meet the educational & financial needs of students & industry.

Objective standards & solutions, not the subjective liberal arts garbage.

“On time, above spec and under budget” should be their motto.


38 posted on 07/05/2013 8:23:57 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: ET2020
I propose that faculty compensation be linked to the earnings of the average graduate of their respective programs.

What makes you think they are not? How else could they hire anyone?

Average Faculty Salaries by Field and Rank at 4-Year Colleges and Universities, 2010-11
http://chronicle.com/article/Average-Faculty-Salaries-by/126586/

Nearly every Engineering Professor I saw in my college had first worked in his field. Nearly all of them were registered PEs.

39 posted on 07/05/2013 8:25:50 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: JCBreckenridge
As a history major, I’ve actually voted nay at my alma mater whenever this proposal came up.

I don't see how a few college could possibly do this when their competition is not.

40 posted on 07/05/2013 8:27:25 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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