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Vanity - Should the GOP House Defund Obamacare?
July 5th, 2013

Posted on 07/05/2013 9:23:27 AM PDT by Perdogg

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To: oh8eleven

What people are getting tired of is hearing about the 40 million people without health insurance. They are getting tired of hearing about their healthcare costs going up. They are getting tired about the lies Obama and friends are telling them.

Republicans need to take an axe to this. Tell us about the rising costs, the exemptions, the IRS.

End it now.


21 posted on 07/05/2013 10:23:00 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Thank you.


22 posted on 07/05/2013 10:24:17 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Obamacare, left alone to come into existence as Obama intended, may possibly be a vehicle to make people see the value of Limited Government. "

If we had responsible citizenry, that might be a possibility.

23 posted on 07/05/2013 10:27:39 AM PDT by Tula Git (There IS a coup in America and it's on track and almost complete.)
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To: Perdogg

The GOP house should do a LOT of things.

But, they won’t!


24 posted on 07/05/2013 10:27:43 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Republicans need to take an axe to this. Tell us about the rising costs, the exemptions, the IRS.
Over and over and over again - in a loud voice. But who's going to carry that voice other than Fox News?
The GOP damned well better get their act together or they're history ... as will the US of A.
25 posted on 07/05/2013 10:29:29 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

The fact remains that if the GOP tinkers with it, they will own it.


26 posted on 07/05/2013 10:40:20 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: oh8eleven

You have to realize that still once someone in middle America who voted for Obamacare is forced to go the exchanges by their company, they are going to be angry. The issue isn’t necessarily the people who are not producers.


27 posted on 07/05/2013 10:43:26 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg

Don’t tinker. Kill.


28 posted on 07/05/2013 10:48:47 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I agree.


29 posted on 07/05/2013 10:49:34 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
I want it dead as much as the next guy.

But our opponents are clever folks. I would say that the insurance business and the healthcare business are being thrown into turmoil no matter what. It won't be pretty.

Currently, Obamacare has nothing but Democrat fingerprints on it and -- theoretically -- it is a beautiful thing which will fill the world with skittles and unicorns.

If the Republicans tinker with it -- or if the Republicans kill it -- then, when the insurance business and the healthcare business are thrown into turmoil (as they will be under any scenario), the Democrats will say "Bush's fault" (or the equivalent).

Chaos is coming. I don't think it can be stopped.
The Chaos might be blamed on the Party of Big Government (by that I mean the Democrats).
Or else the Chaos will be blamed on the Party of Limited Government (by that I mean the GOP -- try not to laugh).

My fear is that we do something -- anything -- to Obamacare and when the chaos arrives, everyone in the world will say: "We've learned our lesson: we need to push harder to the Left next time -- let's go!!!"

30 posted on 07/05/2013 11:02:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Perdogg

Oh hell yes!

LLS


31 posted on 07/05/2013 11:02:59 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The Obamacare bill constantly contains this phrase: “at the discretion of the Secretary of HHS...”

Could this not be used by a future Republican president to unilaterally get rid of Obamacare altogether?

32 posted on 07/05/2013 11:03:45 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Perdogg
once someone in middle America who voted for Obamacare is forced to go the exchanges by their company, they are going to be angry.
You're right - and then they'll vote for Hitlery. We are screwed.
33 posted on 07/05/2013 11:04:22 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Perdogg

Yes, and defund the IRS so they can’t hire the agents needed to implement.


34 posted on 07/05/2013 11:05:15 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: fhayek
I think that the GOP should go to the Supreme Court and FORCE Obama to implement Obamacare as legislated. If he wants to delay it, then he has to go back to Concgress.

Yes, then refuse to fund the IRS agents needed to implement the mandate. Blame it on the IRS scandal.

Force implementation in 2014 and the Democrats lose. Pass a bill AND go to court.

Delaying it until 2015 can be an excuse for defunding. "If you won't implement it as the law requires, why should we fund it?"

35 posted on 07/05/2013 11:09:28 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Perdogg

Obamacare is unconstitutional.


36 posted on 07/05/2013 11:09:48 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: fhayek

What you’re missing is that the GOP has not the spine to follow through on anything and will only get blamed for everything that is bad. Their motto is, “Heads, you win, tails, we lose.” Plus, we the people always get the worst of it because yet another bad program gets enacted. Two notables to look at both occurred under W: Signing McCain-Feingold figuring that the Supreme Court would strike it down, but the GOP would get the credit for trying, and the Medicare prescription plan which the Stupid Party gets tagged as huge spenders while getting no credit for whatever assistance it renders. Meanwhile, we suffer with both of them.


37 posted on 07/05/2013 11:13:43 AM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Well, regardless, it’s a moot point.

But the RINOs have to plant a flag somewhere, sometime. It’s a hell of a lot harder for us, since they own the media.


38 posted on 07/05/2013 11:18:37 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Dahoser

No, am well aware of the spinal fortitude (or lack thereof) of the Grand Old Party. It was more of an academic exercise when I posed the question. The Democrats are so diabolical that they put dictatorial powers into legislation that they would freely use, knowing full well that the opposition party would never take advantage of them if they had the opportunity. Talk about making Republicans your bitch. Still, the power would be there, if someone would show the gumption to use it.

All this, of course, is beside the fact that such power, constitutionally, should NOT be there in the first place. Sigh.


39 posted on 07/05/2013 11:51:38 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: fhayek
With you on that. Sigh2.
40 posted on 07/05/2013 12:05:33 PM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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