"The church in question was the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, one of the world's largest houses of worship.
In 1931, Joseph Stalin ordered it destroyed..."
Destroyed by Stalin in 1931:
Today rebuilt:
Posted on 07/05/2013 10:49:35 AM PDT by Borges
Cookouts, fireworks and the "1812 Overture." On the Fourth of July, we hold these truths to be self-evidently American, right?
Don't light the cannon fuses just yet.
The "1812 Overture" may be an American tradition, with its patriotic strains and thunderous battery. But while orchestras across the land, including the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra tonight at Point State Park, will perform it with clanging bells and cannon fire, the music could hardly be any more distant from the Stars and Stripes.
That's because the overture, written by famed composer Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky, depicts Napoleon's retreat from Russia in 1812, not America's battles against the British, as many might think.
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I'll go with that. :)
HTB like big booms!
Try that on any Civil War thread that comes up. You would not believe the contortions of logic the Yankees went through last time I was on 1 about this. How dare I suggest “Ameicans” were actually British subjects and thus, rebels! I was even accused of being pro-British because i knew these facts, funny coming at someone who knows and loves the RevWar pretty well and loves the rebels as the greatest generation.
I guess what it is is that too many people are willing to believe what the government schools tell them to believe.
Back in my day, public school wasn’t perfect but I never got the wrong impression. I just comprehended it better than others, maybe. I also had a mother who adored the Founders and possibly kept me on the straight track better than most schools would.
On a slight tangent, I’ll never forget in HS a boy answering teacher’s question, about the Korean War, comparing Korea to Civil War US, “but this time the South was the good guy”. Rolling eyes. ;-)
With regards to the impolite interstate relations in the US (1861-1865) I don’t call the North or the South the ‘bad guy’.
The Southern states had valid reasons for wanting to leave the Union and the greedy, selfish, imperialistic Yankees thought they had valid reasons for not letting them leave.
See? I can be perfectly unbiased in my historical assessment!
Wouldn’t want to offend a Northern sympathizer. ;-). Just making a point about what you can hear in PS. The boy was given no doubt he was right, though.
Wow. I remember too. That was over 40 years ago.
Hymn to Red October--Nssil K. Poledouris (1989)
Destroyed by Stalin in 1931:
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That's ridiculous, and you know it -- or should know it, FRiend.
In fact, the American colonies were just that: colonies.
Yes, they wanted all the rights of Englishmen, most notably: "no taxation without representation", but that was just what Britain's king and parliament refused to grant.
Instead, Brits insisted on treating Americans like their other colonies, on a par with (horrors!) the Irish!
So, after years of suffering, of negotiations with, and hostile military actions from Britain, Americans had enough...
MeganC: "The war did not start out as a war for independence.
The British in their history books get this one right:
The war started out as an uprising by British subjects AGAINST THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT which had become tyrannical."
In fact, the war started in 1775 when Brits assaulted Americans as punishment for our "misbehavior", notably at Lexington and Concord.
But more to your point, from their beginnings (i.e., 1619), Americans had elected their own local governments, and by 1774 in response to British Intolerable Acts: the First Continental Congress.
The American Continental Congress petitioned the British King for a redress of grievances, and when that had no effect, took sterner measures.
So, it is precisely that distinction -- between "just government" (which Britain never was) and "tyranny" (which Britain had long been) -- on which the American Declaration of Independence and Revolutionary War hinges.
Sorry, FRiend, but like most pro-Confederates, you live in a fantasy world of your own creation.
In fact, as has been pointed out many times on these threads, our Founders well knew they were "revolting", "rebelling", "insurrecting", "invading" and committing "treason" against the British government -- and all those words are mentioned in their Constitution.
For just one item: those words are why, in their Declaration of Independence, Founders "mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."
Benjamin Franklin's quip on signing it bears remembering:
Nobody on Free Republic ever denies the US Revolutionary War was anything other that what it was -- except, except our pro-Confederates, who wish us to believe is was a mere Sunday's picnic in the park, of no more significance than, oh, say, secession to protect slavery (!).
Sorry, while it doesn’t ALWAYS happen, the last thread I was on is exactly as I stated. People denying that the colonies were really British and thus those subjects were traitors - to Britain.
See, there you go again.
Bottom line, the colonies were part of the British empire. So yes, they WERE British.
OK, you're on FRiend: quote the words which say what you claim.
I've never seen a serious argument to that effect here.
And in this post you prove my point: you live in a fantasy world of your on creation.
In fact, nobody here has ever suggested that Americans weren't colonies of Britain, or conversely, that Americans ever had all the rights of Englishmen.
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