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Fixing the climate with science: What could possibly go wrong?
Globe and Mail ^ | 07/27/2013 | DOUG SAUNDERS

Posted on 07/28/2013 5:34:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

As you squeegee out your basement, replace your blown-off roof tiles, bury your heat-withered tomato crop and think about moving to a house on higher ground, you will be forgiven if you want to step out onto the street, tilt your head toward those odd-shaped clouds massing on the horizon, and scream, “Fix it!

And that might be a reasonable request. The weather is broken. To some degree, this is because we broke it: While it is foolish to link any individual extreme-weather event to the larger climate, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the growing frequency and intensity of windstorms, floods, hurricanes and extremes of heat and cold is a consequence of higher levels of weather-system volatility related to a warming trend caused in part by human-generated carbon emissions.

If we broke it, should we fix it?

The idea of geoengineering – planet-scale projects to reverse climate change – was on the sci-fi fringes of political thought when first proposed by the scientific community back in the 1970s, when the climate effects of fossil-fuel emissions first became apparent.

But it has recently gained a lot more mainstream credibility in both scientific and policy circles. Last week saw a major breakthrough, as the U.S. National Research Council, along with NASA, the U.S. Geological Survey, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and other high-level agencies, convened a blue-ribbon group of scientists to evaluate the leading high-tech proposals to fix the Earth.

There are, basically, three big ideas for reversing the warming trend: Putting chemicals in the atmosphere to make it more reflective so less sunlight reaches the surface; changing the chemistry of the oceans (possibly by dumping millions of tonnes of iron filings into them) so they absorb more carbon; and increasing the carbon absorbency of the soil by seeding it

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TOPICS: Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: climate; climatechangefraud; globalwarminghoax; globalwarmingscandal; globalwarmingscare; idiotorial; junkscience; pseudoscience; weather

1 posted on 07/28/2013 5:34:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
it is becoming increasingly apparent that the growing frequency and intensity of windstorms, floods, hurricanes and extremes of heat and cold is a consequence of higher levels of weather-system volatility related to a warming trend caused in part by human-generated carbon emissions

I love how opinions are now scientific facts...!

2 posted on 07/28/2013 5:38:48 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: SeekAndFind

This will work realllly well. We can fix Mother Nature, right? The arrogance of ignorance has no bounds but bounds about in unintended consequential glee, sure of its brilliance, unrestricted by its stupidity.


3 posted on 07/28/2013 5:41:56 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Last week saw a major breakthrough, as the U.S. National Research Council, along with NASA, the U.S. Geological Survey, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and other high-level agencies, convened a blue-ribbon group of scientists to evaluate the leading high-tech proposals to fix the Earth.

Translation: a lot of overeducated BS artists and liars are meeting to justify their munificent paychecks.

4 posted on 07/28/2013 5:42:38 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

No kiddin !


5 posted on 07/28/2013 5:47:16 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: JimRed

Yep i agree and that about sums it up. When will we be told that just recently that through satellite observation the worlds major deserts are now sprouting more green life than ever? Oh the inconvenience truth will never see daylight.


6 posted on 07/28/2013 5:50:21 AM PDT by Plumberman27
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To: freebilly

Well said.


7 posted on 07/28/2013 5:51:33 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Well said.


8 posted on 07/28/2013 5:52:45 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: SeekAndFind
They can’t even tell us what the weather is going to be in the next few days so how do they think they know how to fix imagined problems in the future.
9 posted on 07/28/2013 6:01:19 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: SeekAndFind
a blue-ribbon group of scientists to evaluate the leading high-tech proposals to fix the Earth.
"Fix the Earth?" Are you $hittin' me? These people are insane.
10 posted on 07/28/2013 6:16:45 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

RE: Fix the Earth?” Are you $hittin’ me? These people are insane.

I guess that want the earth’s weather to always be nice with no storms, no typhoons, no tornadoes, no blizzards (Maybe no earthquakes and tsunamis too )

That’s what they mean by “fix”.


11 posted on 07/28/2013 6:19:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
it is becoming increasingly apparent

... all the cool people believe this -- take the blue pill and you can be cool, too ...

that the growing frequency and intensity of windstorms, floods, hurricanes and extremes of heat and cold

... alleges facts not in evidence ...

is a consequence of higher levels of weather-system volatility

What is "weather-system volatility"? Can you quantify or measure it at all? If not, how do you know that it's occurring at a "higher level"?

related to

Which is not the same as "caused by".

a warming trend

Alleging facts not in evidence again.

caused in part

So any radical action taken could, at best, fix only part of a problem whose existence hasn't even been established yet?

12 posted on 07/28/2013 6:51:31 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: SeekAndFind
Saw the title...clicked because I thought it was a satire piece...

I should have known better...

13 posted on 07/28/2013 6:52:57 AM PDT by Popman
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To: SeekAndFind

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls our climates.

3. The earth is a rock.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


14 posted on 07/28/2013 6:55:51 AM PDT by abclily
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To: SeekAndFind

blue-ribbon group of scientists
$$$$ $$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$

Taxes and three card Monte what could go wrong indeed.


15 posted on 07/28/2013 7:01:26 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: abclily

Lesson Number 2 - the center of the earth is filled with molten rock. Molten rock - meaning, in the range of 1300 - 2400 degrees F. And we’re worried about our cars causing global warming????!!!!


16 posted on 07/28/2013 7:09:40 AM PDT by meyer (What would John Hancock do?)
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To: freebilly
it is becoming increasingly apparent that the growing frequency and intensity of windstorms, floods, hurricanes and extremes of heat and cold is a consequence of higher levels of weather-system volatility related to a warming trend caused in part by human-generated carbon emissions

Let us assume, for purposes of discussion, that the first bolded section is indeed "a fact."

If it is, then the second bolded section is also probably a fact. But doesn't it make a rather dramatically critical difference whether the "in part" refers to 1% responsibility or 99%?

It is highly unlikely man has had NO impact on climate. It is also highly unlikely we are the primary factor.

17 posted on 07/28/2013 7:10:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: meyer

I thought it was millions of degrees. A Nobel-winning scientist said so.


18 posted on 07/28/2013 7:11:53 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
I thought it was millions of degrees. A Nobel-winning scientist said so.

Might well be a lot hotter than the number I quoted. I did a quick, cheap "wiki" check on lava and came up with that figure. But lava flow has already been cooled by the ambient air and the adjacent earth crust, which is a LOT cooler than the lava itself.

19 posted on 07/28/2013 7:16:20 AM PDT by meyer (What would John Hancock do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“While it is foolish to link any individual extreme-weather event to the larger climate, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the growing frequency and intensity of windstorms, floods, hurricanes and extremes of heat and cold is a consequence of higher levels of weather-system volatility related to a warming trend caused in part by human-generated carbon emissions.”

NOT TRUE.

http://www.co2science.org/articles/V10/N29/EDIT.php

“(In) the period 1901-2000, the four researchers identified 30 drought episodes throughout the world that satisfied these stringent criteria during the 20th century.

“...seven of them occurred during the first two decades of the 20th century (1901-1920), seven occurred during the next two decades (1921-1940), eight during the middle two decades of the century (1941-1960), but only five during the next two decades (1961-1980), and a mere three during the final two decades of the century (1981-2000), which is not at all what one would have expected if the climate-alarmist thesis that is propounded by Gore and his followers was correct.

“The 30 major droughts of the 20th century were likely natural in all respects; and, hence, they are “indicative of what could also happen in the future,”. And happen they will.”

The bottom line is that believing you live in times with more “extreme weather” events is much like some Christians, who since the time of Christ believed they had identified portents of the “Biblical End Times”, in their own times.

After about 2000 years of people believing that *their* times were the End Times, Christian skeptics should be skeptical. And unless we want 2000 years of climate change advocates whining at us about “extreme weather events” being caused by Man Made Global Warming, we need to put our foot down, now, and challenge it.


20 posted on 07/28/2013 7:39:54 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: All
We can fix Mother Nature, right?

The arrogance of ignorance has no bounds

But bounds about in unintended consequential glee,

Sure of its brilliance,

Unrestricted by its stupidity.

21 posted on 07/28/2013 8:15:50 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The weather is broken. To some degree, this is because we broke it

Human beings do not have the ability to 'break the weather'. Sure we can mess up the air and water quality, by emissions or dumping chemicals, etc. in lakes and streams, but the overall climate is way too big for us to affect.

22 posted on 07/28/2013 8:33:34 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SeekAndFind
"The weather is broken. To some degree, this is because we broke it"

And the rooster made the sun rise this morning.

Homosexuality is normal but blizzards and windstorms and earthquakes are "unnatural".

Stalinists lie. Always.

23 posted on 07/28/2013 9:30:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: mountainlion

They’ve already overcorrected the weather once. Recall 40 years ago we were headed for a new ice age. Now we are headed to a giant dust bowl. Save us from “scientists”.


24 posted on 07/28/2013 9:31:42 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: meyer

Sorry, obscure reference. The mighty and omniscient Al Gore himself said the earth’s core was “several millions of degrees.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMrxC-qEHb8

He was, of course, wrong.


25 posted on 07/28/2013 9:39:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind

Only three hurricanes have hit the US during Obama’s presidency. That is the fewest number for any modern President. The US is having a record cold July. The Arctic is having one of its coldest summers on record. President Obama, the Oligarch’s and the MSM are all lying.


26 posted on 07/28/2013 9:42:10 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Sherman Logan
But doesn't it make a rather dramatically critical difference whether the "in part" refers to 1% responsibility or 99%?

Liberal guilt, New Age philosophy makes me 100% responsible for everything that happens in the Universe. Sucks to be guilty of everything. It's sorta like Judaism without God. Instead of atoning for your sins by sacrificing a ram or a calf or a couple of doves you get to sacrifice your commonsense, self-esteem and instinct for self-preservation....

27 posted on 07/28/2013 9:51:47 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: SeekAndFind

climate change made Earth what it is today, don’t mess with mother nature.


28 posted on 07/28/2013 2:00:24 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: SeekAndFind
Don Rumsfeld: "There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns; that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we do not know.

This blithering fool can place the sum of his entire knowledge in the last category.

29 posted on 07/28/2013 4:45:43 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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