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Poor Quality Ammuniton due to Shortage Blows up 1911 Kimber (YouTube video, 7m36s)
YouTube ^ | April, 2013

Posted on 07/30/2013 10:07:35 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Hobbies; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; poor; quality; reloading; shortage
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Be careful out there!
1 posted on 07/30/2013 10:07:36 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

It’s very easy to overload cartridges for semiauto pistols, the only thing containing the pressure is the back end of the barrel. Don’t try to save money on motor oil, condoms, or ammo for semiauto pistols.....


2 posted on 07/30/2013 10:19:04 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: LibWhacker

I have a neighbor who did the same thing with a Kimber.

He is the son of my father’s closest friend. And he is a mechanical engineer.

He reloaded some ammo and measured powder with a new scale. Only problem was, he loaded more than 2X the amount of powder the maximum load specified.

It was a wonder he was not killed. The pistol was a total loss. He had a slight wound to the ear.


3 posted on 07/30/2013 10:23:51 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: LibWhacker
My call is detonation.

I used a lot of win296 in 44mag, 240 gr hard cast Keith SWC. A low density charge creates a bomb, and it doesn't take much of an error. A load I recall was 24.5 grains and down around 20 grains you were entering dangerous territory. Too much powder in that scenario would just blow on out behind the projectile.

4 posted on 07/30/2013 10:27:15 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Texas Fossil
Using Bullseye when the load calls for something else will really get your attention. I've seen a lot of scary guesswork in my day.

I watched a guy shooting a nice MDL 27.

After every cylinder he would bend over the bench and we would hear a bunch of tapping noises as he tapped out each fired case.

That gun was shot loose before it fired 300 rounds, out of time and spitting lead at the gap..

5 posted on 07/30/2013 10:35:14 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Texas Fossil

Had a buddy do same with a Norinco 1911A1.... Loaded 9 gr of 231 vs 4.5 and the thing sounded like super vel’s of days gone by ..... But stayed together long enough to sell it to me.... Still running strong but that 9grs of 231 is a rocket ....:o)

I reload and or weigh all my carry ammo, my reloading room has a dehumidifier and is air conditioned for a perfect 0% humidity and 70 degrees temperature ..... Commercial ammo is always suspect IMO.

Components stored properly last for decades. Roll yer own folks.

Stay safe !...:o)


6 posted on 07/30/2013 10:46:56 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Yes, caution is in order.

Good to hear from you. Are you feeling better?


7 posted on 07/30/2013 10:46:58 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Squantos

Thanks.

And, it is sometimes hard to stay safe today. Looks like it will be worse in the future.


8 posted on 07/30/2013 10:50:17 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: varmintman

In particular, be careful if shooting reloads from a Glock.

Glocks don’t support part of the case wall, and that integral ramp gives them some of their great reliability, but also makes then sensitive to reloads.

If you do shoot reloads from a Glock, mark where the unsupported part of the casing was, and be sure that it is supported when the reload is fired. After a second reload and firing you don’t have a safe way to fire a reload, and most of the cartridge case wall has been unsupported in one firing or another.

If the case wall gives out, it puts the gasses down into your hand. The .40 S&W has a particularly bad reputation because of its high pressure.


9 posted on 07/30/2013 10:52:00 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Good to see you up and posting. That was nice of your daughter to give us a heads up.


10 posted on 07/30/2013 10:59:07 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Squantos

I just picked up 600 rounds of Remington Golden Saber nickel plated brass .357 magnum, 125 gr JHPs. I paid over a dollar a round for it. Not real happy about it but you gotta get what you can when you can these days. Any thoughts about the nickel plated brass as far as reloading?


11 posted on 07/30/2013 11:10:47 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Texas Fossil
A little, just worn out and tired of being messed with. They wanted to keep me a few more days but I've got no more places to stick new needles.

I see no reason to test for stuff I can't be cured of anyway, things just get too complicated.

They woke me up at 1 AM Sunday, gonna haul me down for a scan to see If I had a clot in a lung. I refused. Asked them what they would do if they found a clot, they said use Heparin to dissolve it. I asked them why we couldn't just do that and spare the 1000 dollar scan. Later that day a nurse came in and gave me a shot of Heparin.

I've got insurance but it's at the point where my copay for meds is almost full retail, all my coverage has gone to tests.

They did cancel a few prescriptions I was on, I suspect part of my problem this time was collateral damage from all the pills.

I'm sorry I couldn't see those EMTs hauling me through the woods out to where they left the ambulance, if a gator had crossed the trail they would still be running.

12 posted on 07/30/2013 11:11:25 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: RC one

The nickel is no problem, just use good lube as usual.


13 posted on 07/30/2013 11:13:01 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Texas Fossil

Powder burns, or hearing damage?


14 posted on 07/30/2013 11:14:22 PM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

What’s the danger with loading too little powder?


15 posted on 07/30/2013 11:15:37 PM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I have read that it will split before non nickle plated brass. I do not know myself and I do not recall ever having reloaded with it plus it has been a few years since I reloaded. I just got a 686+ and a 327 nightguard and I already have a 340 PD so, at a dollar a round, I pretty much have to reload for .357 at this point.


16 posted on 07/30/2013 11:35:44 PM PDT by RC one
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

nickel I mean.


17 posted on 07/30/2013 11:36:44 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Texas Fossil

At least ya know now I mean well....:o)

Nite !


18 posted on 07/30/2013 11:50:33 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: RC one

Doable .... About 3 to 4 times with close check of your brass each time.

Starline is my first choice of brass. Good quality.

Right now I have slowed my range day to every other week and just two boxes out of my concealed carry rig only. Dove season is around the corner so cleaning up the MEC for dove loads for my old Model 12 Winchester this next few weekends.

Hope yer well, buy what ya can find. Expensive yet a lesson to never again think supply won’t run out.

Stay safe !


19 posted on 07/30/2013 11:57:56 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: wastedyears

If you watch the video, the guy clearly explains why a load that’s “too light” is dangerous.

To use an over simplified analogy, it’s like a half-full gas can. One that’s half full, is far more dangerous and likely to explode than one that’s all the way full.

The “light” load doesn’t give an even steady “burn” but rather a sudden “boom.”

At least that’s the way my rather non-scientific mind understands it.


20 posted on 07/31/2013 1:34:31 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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