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California needs to take earthquake prediction more seriously
sfexaminer ^ | August 6, 2013 | David Nabhan

Posted on 08/10/2013 9:55:05 AM PDT by BenLurkin

One particular dynamic should garner attention on the West Coast: conjoined lunar and solar gravitational tides. Gravitational tides are one of the overarching forces of the cosmos. Some of the solar system's most iconic features are shaped by them: the towering and ferocious volcanoes of Jupiter's moon Io and the hyper-geysers of Saturn's moon Enceladus. These are powers sufficient to nudge fault lines into action, especially those already under stress.

The currently accepted scientific view is that while tidal influence is an ancillary force in seismic activity, it is a minimal stimulus for producing earthquakes powerful enough to cause damage, inflict injuries and produce fatalities. Yet the historical record in Southern California provides empirical evidence that this opinion may underestimate conjoined lunar and solar gravitational effects.

Between 1933, the year of the Long Beach earthquake, and 1994, the year of the Northridge quake, six temblors large enough to cause fatalities struck within 70 miles of downtown Los Angeles. Each of those magnitude-5.8 to magnitude-7.3 quakes occurred either at dawn or at dusk. Every individual who perished in an earthquake during those 61 years in Greater Los Angeles died between the hours of 4-7:45 a.m. or 4-7:45 p.m. The probability of this happening randomly are in the realm of 1 in 5,000.

Not only did all these quakes strike either at dawn or dusk, but two-thirds of them also occurred within 36 hours of the new- or full-moon phase, when the gravitational pull of the moon and sun are combined. Such a remarkable occurrence due to simple chance is highly unlikely: 1 out of 10,000.

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TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: california; earthquake; earthquakes
Wish I had those kind of odds at winning powerball.
1 posted on 08/10/2013 9:55:05 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

“The only people who predict earthquakes are idiots and liars.” —Charles Richter

Now, forecasting is another matter.


2 posted on 08/10/2013 10:00:34 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

If the scientific community were to accept the premises of the article, it could at least issue “watchers” the same way weathermen do for storms.


3 posted on 08/10/2013 10:03:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
Last night I had a dream - a version of a similar dream I've been having for about a year now - that I was looking at the USGS earthquake map and seeing huge red circles on the map starting in the area around Big Bend on San Andreas/Frazier Park area and with a chain of large circles going north and east towards the desert/Nevada state line/ Mammoth Lakes area. And then I saw ground movement so violent that rocks were being thrown upwards into the air.

So see, my predictions are just as accurate as theirs.

4 posted on 08/10/2013 10:07:07 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: BenLurkin

Bump for follow-up.


5 posted on 08/10/2013 10:07:08 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: onedoug
Richter died in '85, before serious computing power could be brought to bear on any subject, much less earthquakes. Science and techniques do advance.

/johnny

6 posted on 08/10/2013 10:18:35 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ponygirl

Dreams take place in what primitive cultures conceptualize as the “not now” which is neither present nor past nor future.


7 posted on 08/10/2013 10:19:04 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

“watches” not “watchers”

(but spell check worked!)


8 posted on 08/10/2013 10:19:54 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

In a parallel dimension?


9 posted on 08/10/2013 10:23:37 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: ponygirl

Not so much that as at a place in time which has already occurred, or which will occur, or which may never occur.


10 posted on 08/10/2013 10:39:19 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
I look at them more as metaphors, but I have had dreams that offered predictions, but in a metaphorical fashion - meaning, a week before 9/11, I could not have told you that my dream of a burning, collapsing stairwell crowded with people would mean terrorist attacks. All I knew was I had a really frightening dream, but couldn't have told you what it meant, so how could it really be a prediction?

But I have odd dreams all the time and maybe 1 in 25 could be said to mean something (after the fact) ...so I was just making a joke that my "earthquake predictor" is just as good as the ones used by scientists and it costs less in tax dollars.

But in the dream, it was like the fault snapped at Big Bend and shoved inland, basically ripping California in half. I thought it was odd because don't they usually say if the San Andreas goes, that Baja would slide north and west?

11 posted on 08/10/2013 11:18:09 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: BenLurkin
It is said that dogs can predict when earthquakes are imminent as they suddenly start barking all at once. This has been somewhat scientifically proven.

What I propose is that we put together panels of six dogs and superimpose them live on TV screens for all Los Angeles stations. They can put the six dogs in the corner of the TV screen so that whatever Los Angelians are watching, they can keep an eye on the six dogs in the corner of the screen. When the dogs start going crazy, why it's time for the Los Angeles people to immediately take cover.

You can rotate the panels of dogs every four hours so that they get some rest.

12 posted on 08/10/2013 11:29:39 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

Kind of like the Puppy Bowl but 24/7


13 posted on 08/10/2013 11:31:52 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: ponygirl

All I know is that the Big Bend has been silent since 1856 and is expected to go sometime, indeed anytime.

As for quakes up toward Nevada that is consistent with the theory that the tension between tectonic plates is shifting onto “Walker Lane” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_Lane


14 posted on 08/10/2013 11:36:21 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

If you want to take it seriously, move out of CA.


15 posted on 08/10/2013 11:42:47 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: longfellow

A good idea for many reasons.


16 posted on 08/10/2013 11:43:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

I tend to put some stock in the mirror theory of earthquakes around the ring of fire. Basically, if there is a big quake on one side, after some delay, you get a big quake on the other side.

There are some major twists and turns to the theory, much like with tidal events causing earthquakes. In the case of tidal events, earthquakes seem to happen either before or after the maximum tidal effect, not right on the max.

In the mirror theory, there is a delay after the first event far slower than the waves generated by the event.


17 posted on 08/10/2013 11:50:35 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: BenLurkin
That's interesting; I did not know that. I usually think of earthquakes as faults catching and sliding against each other... but in the dream, it was almost like the area to the north and east crunched and burst upwards, almost explosive-like.

So we have up to 15 days to know if it was a prediction or not. Otherwise, it was just the tacos I had for dinner :o)

18 posted on 08/10/2013 11:53:44 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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"California's state geologist has declared that the Hollywood earthquake fault is active and may run directly underneath a skyscraper project approved by the Los Angeles City Council last week."

LA Times August 2, 2013

19 posted on 08/10/2013 11:58:29 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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