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Silence in the sky—but why?
PhysOrg ^ | 8/25/13

Posted on 08/26/2013 4:29:42 PM PDT by LibWhacker

(Phys.org) —Scientists as eminent as Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan have long believed that humans will one day colonise the universe. But how easy would it be, why would we want to, and why haven't we seen any evidence of other life forms making their own bids for universal domination?

A new paper by Dr Stuart Armstrong and Dr Anders Sandberg from Oxford University's Future of Humanity Institute (FHI) attempts to answer these questions. To be published in the August/September edition of the journal Acta Astronautica, the paper takes as its starting point the Fermi paradox – the discrepancy between the likelihood of intelligent alien life existing and the absence of observational evidence for such an existence.

Dr Armstrong says: 'There are two ways of looking at our paper. The first is as a study of our future – humanity could at some point colonise the universe. The second relates to potential alien species – by showing the relative ease of crossing between galaxies, it makes the lack of evidence for other intelligent life even more puzzling. This worsens the Fermi paradox.'

The paradox, named after the physicist Enrico Fermi, is something of particular interest to the academics at the FHI – a multidisciplinary research unit that enables leading intellects to bring the tools of mathematics, philosophy and science to bear on big-picture questions about humanity and its prospects.

Dr Sandberg explains: 'Why would the FHI care about the Fermi paradox? Well, the silence in the sky is telling us something about the kind of intelligence in the universe. Space isn't full of little green men, and that could tell us a number of things about other intelligent life – it could be very rare, it could be hiding, or it could die out relatively easily. Of course it could also mean it doesn't exist. If humanity is alone in the universe then we have an enormous moral responsibility. As the only intelligence, or perhaps the only conscious minds, we could decide the fate of the entire universe.'

According to Dr Armstrong, one possible explanation for the Fermi paradox is that life destroys itself before it can spread. 'That would mean we are at a higher risk than we might have thought,' he says. 'That's a concern for the future of humanity.'

Dr Sandberg adds: 'Almost any answer to the Fermi paradox gives rise to something uncomfortable. There is also the theory that a lot of planets are at roughly at the same stage – what we call synchronised – in terms of their ability to explore the universe, but personally I don't think that's likely.'

As Dr Armstrong points out, there are Earth-like planets much older than the Earth – in fact most of them are, in many cases by billions of years.

Dr Sandberg says: 'In the early 1990s we thought that perhaps there weren't many planets out there, but now we know that the universe is teeming with planets. We have more planets than we would ever have expected.'

The Acta Astronautica paper looks at just how far and wide a civilisation like humanity could theoretically spread across the universe. Past studies of the Fermi paradox have mainly looked at spreading inside the Milky Way. However, this paper looks at more ambitious expansion.

Dr Sandberg says: 'If we wanted to go to a really remote galaxy to colonise one of these planets, under normal circumstances we would have to send rockets able to decelerate on arrival. But with the universe constantly expanding, the galaxies are moving further and further away, which makes the calculations rather tricky. What we did in the paper was combine a number of mathematical and physical tools to address this issue.'

Dr Armstrong and Dr Sandberg show in the paper that, given certain technological assumptions (such as advanced automation or basic artificial intelligence, capable of self-replication), it would be feasible to construct a Dyson sphere, which would capture the energy of the sun and power a wave of intergalactic colonisation. The process could be initiated on a surprisingly short timescale.

But why would a civilisation want to expand its horizons to other galaxies? Dr Armstrong says: 'One reason for expansion could be that a sub-group wants to do it because it is being oppressed or it is ideologically committed to expansion. In that case you have the problem of the central civilisation, which may want to prevent this type of expansion. The best way of doing that get there first. Pre-emption is perhaps the best reason for expansion.'

Dr Sandberg adds: 'Say a race of slimy space aliens wants to turn the universe into parking lots or advertising space – other species might want to stop that. There could be lots of good reasons for any species to want to expand, even if they don't actually care about colonising or owning the universe.'

He concludes: 'Our key point is that if any civilisation anywhere in the past had wanted to expand, they would have been able to reach an enormous portion of the universe. That makes the Fermi question tougher – by a factor of billions. If intelligent life is rare, it needs to be much rarer than just one civilisation per galaxy. If advanced civilisations all refrain from colonising, this trend must be so strong that not a single one across billions of galaxies and billions of years chose to do it. And so on.

'We still don't know what the answer is, but we know it's more radical than previously expected.'


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: breakthroughlisten; colonization; extraterrestrials; fermi; fermiparadox; paradox; seti; silence; xplanets
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To: LibWhacker
Our own civilization does not really produce detectable evidence of its existence that penetrates further than about 0.6c-yr into space. The nearest possible civilization is 7 times further than that; even in a galaxy teaming with planets, the actual nearest civilization could be hundreds of times that far away and still be quite close in interstellar terms. The Fermi paradox isn't really a paradox -- just a question -- for now. It will become a serious issue once we're able to detect signals on the order of 150 c-yr away, provided we continue to see nothing.
41 posted on 08/26/2013 5:05:36 PM PDT by FredZarguna (CPVPV sounds like a very nasty STD virus. Just saying...)
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To: Zeneta
The Earth and the Moon are aligned in such a way that the Sun casts a total eclipse for us to see and understand that Einstein was correct.

Interesting coincidence don'tcha think.
42 posted on 08/26/2013 5:06:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Since there is no breathable air on any other planet...

Maybe not in this solar system, but in others they're finding, it's a distinct possibility.

There are 100 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy alone. Scientists are discovering that nearly all of them have planetary systems of multiple worlds. That puts the possible number of planets in just this galaxy in the hundreds of billions.

The odds dictate that there will be thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of planets, that are capable of supporting earth-like lifeforms in the Milky Way alone. Now start multiplying that by the hundreds of billions of other galaxies.

It may be beyond our imagination, or our understanding of physics today, to see how mankind will ever travel to such places, but it's coming. Perhaps not in our lifetimes, but it'll happen.

43 posted on 08/26/2013 5:07:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RandallFlagg
Yes, but we've had this guy covering our six since 2001:


44 posted on 08/26/2013 5:09:31 PM PDT by FredZarguna (CPVPV sounds like a very nasty STD virus. Just saying...)
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To: jsanders2001

5) they have been here and gone many time over the past millions of years, and civilizations grow and die off faster then anyone expects (every 10,000 years or so?)


45 posted on 08/26/2013 5:10:52 PM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
my opinion has always been we are the only intelligent species out there.

Start crunching the numbers of potentially habitable worlds in the known universe, and you might just rethink that.

46 posted on 08/26/2013 5:11:06 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
It may be beyond our imagination, or our understanding of physics today, to see how mankind will ever travel to such places, but it's coming

We are never going to travel faster than the speed of light. Our understanding of physics has nothing to do with it: it's a limitation based on the geometry of the universe.

47 posted on 08/26/2013 5:11:32 PM PDT by FredZarguna (CPVPV sounds like a very nasty STD virus. Just saying...)
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To: WhiskeyX

I could see something like that happening if the extinction was predictable i.e a giant meteor or something, but it could be tomorrow through a disease for all we know.

I doubt humans will ever colonize anywhere outside of our solar system. The moon and Mars perhaps in time, but that’s it. This is assuming that science fiction doesn’t become reality.


48 posted on 08/26/2013 5:13:07 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: LibWhacker

This is simple. There is no reason for life to exist elsewhere. This may seem like a trite reason but life elsewhere would serve no purpose in the creation of likeness of God.


49 posted on 08/26/2013 5:13:58 PM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: grania
I have another hypothesis to toss out there: Maybe when a species advances to a certain point, its advances lead to its destruction.

I'll bet your theory is correct. Probably only one in a thousand intelligent species make it past the atomic age to advance enough to unlock the secrets to interstellar travel.

50 posted on 08/26/2013 5:14:21 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

That’s the longest list of falsehoods and irrelevancies I’ve ever seen assembled in one place on FR.


51 posted on 08/26/2013 5:15:58 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: DManA

At least while we are in our mortal bodies.


52 posted on 08/26/2013 5:17:18 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Zeneta

“Very few microbes know this.”

Are you sure about that? Maybe there’s even smarter microbes out there.


53 posted on 08/26/2013 5:17:57 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: LibWhacker

Out there, there be monsters. Any form of life that has gotten off it’s planet will have evolved into either a prey life form, or a predator life form. Neither can be detected.

We better shut up and hide, or shut up and kick some butt.


54 posted on 08/26/2013 5:18:32 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Windflier

Even if there are other planets with breathable air on them, we aren’t going to get to them unless we can create a “Jump to lightspeed” transportation system.

We can’t even get our subways to work in DC.

It’s gonna be a long time before we go out into real space and even if by some chance we reached a planet after many generations of travel, I doubt that anyone will know about it for many years.

Meanwhile back on earth, “Houston, we have problems” and they need to be solved now.


55 posted on 08/26/2013 5:19:51 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: FredZarguna
We are never going to travel faster than the speed of light. Our understanding of physics has nothing to do with it: it's a limitation based on the geometry of the universe.

The only limitation is in our ability to unlock the solutions to interstellar travel.

The Alcubierre Warp Drive

56 posted on 08/26/2013 5:21:08 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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57 posted on 08/26/2013 5:24:51 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: beethovenfan

The saddest thing about that response is you really think you made a point.


58 posted on 08/26/2013 5:25:37 PM PDT by DManA
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Even if there are other planets with breathable air on them, we aren’t going to get to them unless we can create a “Jump to lightspeed” transportation system.

Physicists around the world are busy cracking that enigma as we speak:

The Alcubierre Warp Drive

It's only a matter of time until our species hacks the code of the physical universe and creates FTL. I fully expect that our great grandchildren will live to see that breakthrough, provided we don't destroy ourselves first.

59 posted on 08/26/2013 5:26:37 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

It’s rubbish. If superluminal travel were possible, we would already have been visited by races (possibly including our own) from our own future. It isn’t. The Alcubierre “Warp Drive” isn’t physics; it’s fiction.


60 posted on 08/26/2013 5:27:59 PM PDT by FredZarguna (CPVPV sounds like a very nasty STD virus. Just saying...)
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