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To: ChildOfThe60s

I will have to check those out. I’ve been searching for the best 5.56 mm projectile available from a self defense perspective for several days now. Lots of options. lots of opinions. lots of barrel twist rates. etc. One person will swear by a projectile and the next person will curse it. I’m liking varmint grenades too but, like everything else, opinions vary. I have personally seen them shoot what was basically hole for hole at 100 yards however.


12 posted on 08/30/2013 8:54:48 PM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one

The 154 grain SP 7.62x39 is considered suitable for white tail deer, so I would assume it has some value as an anti personnel round.

One thing I see left out of discussions of “self defense” rounds is just how are we defining “self defense”?

Handguns are usually discussed as personal carry & without the notion that one would have 10 or 20 boxes of the expensive defense ammo.

But is your AR or AK for a couple of homicidal “teens” breaking into your home, or is it for serious, widespread breakdowns in law and order? If it is the latter, I think we are getting a little too anal as to minute ballistic differences when the real criteria should be that it is decent anti personnel while cheap enough for you to have a *good* supply of the stuff on hand and be reasonably competent and accurate with the carbine. SHTF, I don’t want a few boxes of expensive US made AK ammo. I want a much more of the reliable 154 SP that I can hit hard and heavy with...a lot, without running out. Quantity has a place in the larger scale disaster scenario.


13 posted on 08/30/2013 9:15:32 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: RC one

This looks like it would be a superb self defense round - if you can find it.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/615622/black-hills-ammunition

The zombie ammo (z-max) is the basically the same thing as the V-Max.


26 posted on 08/31/2013 8:22:34 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: RC one

Careful with varmint grenades and other such fragmenting loads for self defense. They are designed to basically explode, ie, violently fragment on contact so you won’t get much penetration.


28 posted on 08/31/2013 9:01:17 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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