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Boys could be spiked from New York high school girls' volleyball team
FoxNews ^ | 27 Sep 2013 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 09/27/2013 10:41:59 AM PDT by Utilizer

Two boys playing on a girls’ volleyball team at a New York high school could see their playing time spiked when league officials consider modifying a rule that allows them to play with the fairer sex.

Seniors Andrew Lafortezza and Jason Elbaum both played for the co-ed volleyball club last season at Horace Greeley High School in Chappaqua. But due to budgetary constraints, the Quakers were unable to field a boys’ team this year, prompting the teens to seek a spot on the girls’ squad, which they earned after receiving approval from league officials in August.

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Kim Cleary, the boys’ volleyball coach at Suffern High School, took issue with Kuczma’s characterization that the boys do not dominate play. In 2007, she was an assistant coach on a girls’ team that played against another team with a boy on its roster and the result wasn’t favorable for Cleary.

“Having coached both boys and girls and being around this sport for 20 years, I can attest that it absolutely makes a difference,” she told FoxNews.com. “Even if they’re not hitting at the front, they’re blocking at the front of the net. There’s absolutely no reason Horace Greeley couldn’t have formed a team and been part of our league. Those two boys are taking two spots from two girls.”

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TOPICS: Local News; Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: athletics; basketball; fairplay; feminism; genderwars; girlpower; girlsvsboys; penisenvy; savethemales; sexism; sports; teens
So of course we must allow girls to play on boys football teams, but if boys then play on girls teams, it is "unfair"? I thought boys and girls were essentially the same? (re:liberal feminist claims)
1 posted on 09/27/2013 10:42:00 AM PDT by Utilizer
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To: Utilizer

I personally agree that boys are bigger and stronger than girls and having them compete with girls is unfair.

However, if our nation has decided that women are big and strong enough to fight against enemy males, in combat, then they certainly should have no problem facing males on the volleyball court.


2 posted on 09/27/2013 10:46:20 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: Utilizer
That's right. We can end all this Title IX nonsense and just make all sports gender neutral. The best players make the squad, regardless of sex.

Isn't that equality?

3 posted on 09/27/2013 10:46:37 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Utilizer

If these boys get bounced, will they sue? In today’s gender equality world (especially at skrewls) we are taught there must be NO distinction between the sexes.


4 posted on 09/27/2013 10:46:42 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Utilizer

The boys could just “gender identify” as girls for the time they are participating in sports.


5 posted on 09/27/2013 10:47:07 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Did you notice in the article the part that says the girls regulation hoop is one foot lower than the boys?


6 posted on 09/27/2013 10:48:02 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer
These feminazis and WACs (whiners and complainers) are as bigoted and sexist, if not more, than they claim the male species to be.

They should be made to reap what they sow - for ‘fairness’ sake.

7 posted on 09/27/2013 10:48:14 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
If these boys get bounced, will they sue? In today’s gender equality world (especially at skrewls) we are taught there must be NO distinction between the sexes.

Well, there's no distinction between the sexes, unless there's a distinction. In that case, the issue is settled in such a way as to favor any female that is within 1000 miles of the location of the problem.

8 posted on 09/27/2013 10:48:21 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Utilizer
but if boys then play on girls teams, it is "unfair"?

Yes, it is unfair. Girls are simply not as strong as boys. In sports, you 'play up' if you can compete at a higher level. Playing down is lame.

9 posted on 09/27/2013 10:49:13 AM PDT by FatherofFive (MIslam is evil and must be eradicate)
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To: Utilizer
Ha, ha, you've managed to reveal another one of the many huge contradictions in liberal thought. Why indeed shouldn't boys be able to play on girl's teams if they're good enough? Which undoubtedly many boys are. In fact, if boys were allowed to compete on the girl's basketball teams at my old high school, there would have been few female players over the last forty years who would have been good enough to play on the girl's teams.

But liberals either (falsely) profess to not understand the questions and logic or simply refuse to answer the questions. Because they're really not interested in some sort of fair society. They're only interested in pushing "rights" for favored groups.

10 posted on 09/27/2013 10:56:48 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Above My Pay Grade
...then they certainly should have no problem facing males on the volleyball court.

Apparently, there IS a problem, not that the feminists want us to notice. The article points out not only the lower hoop height regulation for girls, but also that boys play harder and more intensely than the girls, so get more play -and thereby not allowing some of the girls to get as much time off the bench. Unfair!

11 posted on 09/27/2013 10:57:16 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: FatherofFive
Girls are simply not as strong as boys...Playing down is lame.

Worse, it's unmanly.

Here's hoping these young men learn to be MEN despite what women say and do.
12 posted on 09/27/2013 10:58:24 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool
Worse, it's unmanly.

The best thing about woman's volleyball are those tight shorts. Only fag boys would want to wear them, and nobody wants to see that.

13 posted on 09/27/2013 11:04:24 AM PDT by FatherofFive (MIslam is evil and must be eradicate)
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To: FatherofFive
In sports, you 'play up' if you can compete at a higher level.

Of course. That would be why in coed sports in our educational establishments we were always told to "go easy" on the girls, and "give them a chance to score".

Couldn't knock them down because they might get hurt, and couldn't outscore them too badly (if we were allowed to win) because it would make them feel bad.

With a hoop one foot lower to make it fairer for them.

Crikey! THAT's 'playing up', alrighty!

14 posted on 09/27/2013 11:06:48 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: FatherofFive

You obviously never played ball in the seventies, mate.


15 posted on 09/27/2013 11:07:49 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: FatherofFive
Hmmm. So deciding that due to budgetary constraints the school decided to fund the GIRLS sports while dropping the BOYS sports. There being only one team now (the girls) the only way the boys could play was by joining the girls teams. AFTER it was determined that they would not play TOO HARD against the girls.

If the school had dropped the girls sports instead, not only would the feminists be yowling about how "unfair" and "sexist" such a decision was, they would also be demanding that the girls be given spots on the boys teams so that they could be allowed to play as well. Never mind that it would have taken spots away from more qualified boys on the teams.

Apparently some people have no problem with this concept...

16 posted on 09/27/2013 11:14:45 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: FatherofFive
Playing down is lame.

Yes, but the school here had enough money to field a girls volleyball team, but not enough money to field a boys volleyball team. What's the deal with that?

So in this case the boys did the only reasonable thing. They wanted to play volleyball, so they joined the only team available.

17 posted on 09/27/2013 11:16:03 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: LearsFool; FatherofFive

What, in your opinion, action should have these boys have taken, if any?


18 posted on 09/27/2013 11:22:23 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: LearsFool

Hmmm. Guess I never realized that I had taken an arrow through the knee all those years ago. We had to “play down” always when the girls were playing. Never considered that we had to take that arrow to become ‘lame’ enough to play them.


19 posted on 09/27/2013 11:22:40 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer
The last thing the title IX’ers want is gender equality. They want to force universities to fund sports no one wants to see at the expense of the sports people do.

Love the “highlights” ESPN show of the WNBA finals, most of the fans come dressed as empty seats, but hey,we are all really excited to see those highlights!

20 posted on 09/27/2013 11:24:28 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: Utilizer

It’s really fun when liberal dogmas are proven to contradict each other.
Problem is, the liberal mind has no problem holding contradictory thoughts at the same time.


21 posted on 09/27/2013 11:41:43 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: 5thGenTexan
as long as I pay taxes, my gender will receive at least an equal amount of benefits....

Title Nine has been a total success and has enabled thousands and thousands of girls to attend college who would never have had the chance, similar I might add, to boys.....

22 posted on 09/27/2013 11:42:55 AM PDT by cherry
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To: fungoking

WNB-what? Is that the league where the employees stand out on the street on game day handing out free tickets and nobody shows?


23 posted on 09/27/2013 11:45:20 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Utilizer

you know that “go easy” mantra goes both ways....young girls know that they have to not act too smart to attract a boy...iows...they have to “go easy” on the boys and let the boys think their superior.....


24 posted on 09/27/2013 11:45:29 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Responsibility2nd

If the boys were trannies would they be bounced?


25 posted on 09/27/2013 11:47:20 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Leaning Right

does the school have football?...wrestling?....Title nine only says that the expenses of sports have to be somewhat equal, not that every sport has to be offered to everybody...


26 posted on 09/27/2013 11:47:22 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Utilizer

Thus proving the absurdity of the original rule.


27 posted on 09/27/2013 11:54:00 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Henceforth, the Office of the President shall be known as IMPOTUS)
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To: Leaning Right
They wanted to play volleyball, so they joined the only team available.

There are lots of club teams everywhere. The Y has teams. There are many options instead of playing on the girls team.

28 posted on 09/27/2013 12:23:37 PM PDT by FatherofFive (MIslam is evil and must be eradicate)
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To: cherry
Here in MO the rule is that girls can play a boys sport in that sport is not offered for girls ie. girls can play football. Boys are only allowed (maybe, case by case) to play a girls sport if there is no athletic opportunity offered for boys. Reason; boys fundamentally change a girls sport, girls don't change a boys sport.

After ERA failed some states passed their own version, courts have ruled that boys must be permitted to play girls sports. Boys playing field hockey in MA comes to mind.

29 posted on 09/27/2013 12:29:34 PM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: MichaelCorleone
What, in your opinion, action should have these boys have taken, if any?

Find a volleyball club team. Join the AAU, and travel if necessary. Start an AAU team. Go to the Y.

So many options besides playing against girls.

That said, my daughter is playing professional basketball in Sweden. I haven't been able to beat her since 7th grade. But school sports should only allow girls to play up, not boys playing down.

30 posted on 09/27/2013 12:30:18 PM PDT by FatherofFive (MIslam is evil and must be eradicate)
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To: cherry
you know that “go easy” mantra goes both ways....young girls know that they have to not act too smart to attract a boy...iows...they have to “go easy” on the boys and let the boys think their superior.....

Ah, would that be why you used "their" when you meant "they're?"

31 posted on 09/27/2013 12:44:35 PM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: cherry
my gender will receive at least an equal amount of benefits

At least equal? So, should I take this to mean more than equal is OK with you as long as its your gender?

I am not against equality by any means. I am against artificial rules that hide behind the banner of equality. Case in point, in our military, to make it "equal", women get lower standards. That is not equal; that is preferential.

To you, does equal mean everyone has the exact same standard they are measured by, or does equal mean the standards are modified of some demographics (gender and otherwise) until the acceptance rate matches the demographic distribution?

32 posted on 09/27/2013 1:03:11 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: fungoking
Never saw the WNBA highlights (no great loss there), but just imagine if the NFL decided to change any particular team's lineup to include AT LEAST 50 percent females because the NOW hags were suing them into bankruptcy. Just try to imagine the fan's opinions on that.

And what about the outrageousness of every major league basketball team having so many black players when they only make up about 9 percent of the populace? Where's the bloody fairness of that?

33 posted on 09/27/2013 1:23:20 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: cherry
as long as I pay taxes, my gender will receive at least an equal amount of benefits....

Right, then; nothing personal, sheila, but I would prefer not to pay ANY taxes in order to receive any "benefits". Taxes are supposed to provide for common necessities for the common good, not cookiejar handouts as some would selectively provide to others.

34 posted on 09/27/2013 1:26:50 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: cherry
they have to “go easy” on the boys and let the boys think their superior.....

I am sure you meant to continue: "...their superior skills and manly features are not affecting the girls too strongly."

35 posted on 09/27/2013 1:31:50 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: FatherofFive
There are lots of club teams everywhere. The Y has teams. There are many options instead of playing on the girls team.

Really. That would explain why girls are demanding to play on the boys teams, because there are so many other options out there. But that is OK, because we need to lower the standards so the girls can play too, yes?

36 posted on 09/27/2013 1:34:26 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: rmh47

Now, now. Must accept that she meant that deliberately. *smile*


37 posted on 09/27/2013 1:35:34 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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Seems like we have a lot of little boys on FR these days - the kind who would use the excuse “but she hit me first!”


38 posted on 09/27/2013 1:40:21 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: FatherofFive
Yes, it is unfair. Girls are simply not as strong as boys. In sports, you 'play up' if you can compete at a higher level. Playing down is lame.

Excellent post, you "play up", not down.....

Title IX was essential to allow girls the same opportunities in sports and subsequent college scholarships as boys have always had.

I have several friends whose daughters received college athletic scholarships, two for volleyball and another for softball, that would never have happened prior to IX.........

It's unfortunate for these two boys that their school couldn't field a boys volleball team but that's the way it goes.

39 posted on 09/27/2013 1:41:47 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Ms. Muffett suffered from arachnophobia)
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To: Leaning Right
Yes, but the school here had enough money to field a girls volleyball team, but not enough money to field a boys volleyball team. What's the deal with that?

Maybe the school's putting too much cash into the boys football program, the boy's basketball program and the boy's baseball program while totally ignoring the girls football team and the girls baseball team........

As a side note, maybe the hidden story here is the fact that there weren't enough boys interested in playing on an all male volleyball team in the first place.........

The two boys in question were reported to have played on a "CO-ED" team, NOT an all boys team..............

40 posted on 09/27/2013 2:01:00 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Ms. Muffett suffered from arachnophobia)
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To: Utilizer
The article points out not only the lower hoop height

NET, not hoop.......hoops be in basketball......

41 posted on 09/27/2013 2:06:19 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Ms. Muffett suffered from arachnophobia)
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To: Utilizer
But that is OK, because we need to lower the standards so the girls can play too, yes?

Not at all. My daughter plays professional basketball in Europe. Her girls 8th grade team crushed the boys team. Girls can play. if a girl can play on the boys team, it is because of her skill. No lowering of standards.

42 posted on 09/27/2013 2:43:12 PM PDT by FatherofFive (MIslam is evil and must be eradicate)
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To: Utilizer

We had a coed intramural basketball league in college. Teams had to have no more than 3 men on the floor at a time. Men were not allowed inside the key on offense or defense, nor were they allowed to block shots or shoot free throws when fouled.

I didn’t play.


43 posted on 09/27/2013 4:02:35 PM PDT by Dexter Morgan (Everyone hides who they are.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
NET, not hoop.......hoops be in basketball......

Oh. Quite right -thanks for catching that. :)

44 posted on 09/27/2013 4:53:25 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Dexter Morgan
*snicker* Try to imagine if the NOW hags sued the NBA to force them to make all teams at least 50 percent females -and despite some girls playing on women's teams they would completely destroy professional men's basketball if they attempted to follow such an obviously insane concept.

Oh, I forgot. But it's perfectly acceptable to gut our Military by such standards.

45 posted on 09/27/2013 4:58:17 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer
Ummm... make that: "...not to pay ANY taxes in order to NOT receive any 'benefits'."

My taxes should not be designed to be someone else's "benefits".

46 posted on 09/27/2013 5:24:45 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: rmh47

Good catch!


47 posted on 09/27/2013 7:19:59 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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