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Batty Secession Schemes Gain a Foothold Among Rural Conservatives
Bill Moyers.com ^ | 9-12-13 | Joshua Holland

Posted on 10/05/2013 11:49:56 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat

Conservative activists in five rural Maryland counties are fed up with what they see as the tyranny of a democratically elected state government they don’t control. They’re so frustrated that they want to secede and form their own deep red state.

Bizarre as it seems, the effort is part of a trend. In Colorado, up to 10 rural counties want to break off and form a new state called Northern Colorado. A handful of counties in Kansas and Nebraska are reportedly thinking about joining them. Several counties in Northern California are hoping to combine with a chunk of Southern Oregon to form the state of Jefferson – an old idea that apparently hasn’t gone out of fashion. And folks in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula fed up with Lansing have also been kicking around the idea of cutting loose.

The media have framed these stories as a symptom of a growing rural-urban divide, and that’s true. Gun safety laws enacted after the Sandy Hook shootings sparked the move in both Colorado and Maryland. Marriage equality for gays and lesbians, and differences over energy policy, immigration (over which state governments have little control) and taxes are often cited as “irreconcilable differences” by these secession advocates.

But it’s also another sign of the difficulty that a group which dominated American politics just a generation ago – a group political scientist Alan Abramowitz narrowed down to married white people who identify as Christians – are having adapting to a country that’s becoming more diverse and embracing a different, more liberal set of cultural values. As Michael Rosenwald noted in The Washington Post, “with secessionists, the term ‘final straw’ comes up a lot.”

An analysis of Census data by Moyers & Company found that non-Hispanic whites make up 93.5 percent of the rebellious Colorado counties, a higher share than the 87.7 percent of the rest of the state’s population. Unsurprisingly, there’s also a significant partisan gap — only around 39 percent of those living in the break-away North voted for Obama in 2012, while the rest of the state supported him by a 52-46 margin, according to an analysis of election returns.

Those divides are even more dramatic in Maryland, where a 26-point gap in presidential preferences separates the five counties considering secession from the rest of the state. Breakaway Maryland is 85 percent white, while whites make up just 51 percent of the population in the rest of the counties, according to a Washington Post analysis.

It’s certainly true that with less than 20 percent of the population now living in rural America, the policy preferences of conservatives living in the countryside or in small towns are often overshadowed by large majorities who live in cities and their suburbs. But that’s true of a lot of Americans – liberal hipsters in Austin, Texas, don’t have much say in their state’s governance either, to cite just one example among many. But as Jason Bane of the blog ColoradoPols told a local Fox affiliate in Colorado, “in a democracy, there are lots of other people who have viewpoints, and they don’t all throw a tantrum just because a vote doesn’t go their way.”

But this contempt for democracy makes sense when one considers some of the messaging conservatives in rural America are exposed to on a regular basis – messages they get from right-leaning politicians, Fox News and talk-radio. At a 2008 rally in rural North Carolina, Sarah Palin famously coined the term “real America” to describe “these small towns that we get to visit.” From the same stage, Rep. Robin Hayes (R-NC), said, “Liberals hate real Americans that work, and accomplish, and achieve, and believe in God.” Soon after, conservative talk-radio host Chris Plant asked, “Can you still be a real American if you believe that the regimes that govern in Western Europe are a better way forward than the system that we have here?” His callers were emphatic that you cannot.

It wasn’t a new narrative – it’s been a central part of conservative rhetoric at least since Richard Nixon came on the scene railing against “East Coast elites.” It’s one thing to hold a minority viewpoint among your fellow citizens, but something else entirely – something intolerable — if they’re not really Americans in the first place.

Or consider the belief, widespread on the right, that the nation’s founders would be modern conservatives were they alive today, and that the Constitution codified “small government principles.” It’s a myth – the founders agreed on very little, and during the Constitutional Convention of 1787, it was the Federalists, who favored a strong central government, that prevailed over the anti-Federalists who championed states’ rights and wanted to give only limited power to the central government.

But it’s a powerful myth, and if one believes that one’s political opponents are violating the nation’s founding principles, it’s easy to dismiss the legitimacy of their positions. Scott Strzelczyk, the Maryland activist organizing that state’s secession campaign, lamented in February that “the rules that govern government – the Constitution – are ignored and government does whatever it desires.”

Finally, there’s a narrative that has been pushed relentlessly for over a generation that these “real” Americans are competing on a sharply uneven playing field – that the game of democracy is hopelessly rigged against them by a biased media, academia and other institutions at the center of our political lives. If you believe that this is a “center-right nation,” your policy preferences are the default and you’re only losing because the deck is stacked against you, then breaking away from the majority with a small population of like-minded people seems like a perfectly rational recourse.

Unfortunately, these activists are in for a rude awakening. The movement has been roundly mocked. And it faces almost insurmountable obstacles – in order to secede, they’d need not only the approval of their state legislatures, but that of the United States Congress as well.

But as Jamie Raskin, a Democratic Maryland state senator and constitutional law expert put it, “the rhetoric of secession today is the language of a protest movement, not a serious campaign to change political geography.”


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KEYWORDS: secessionlist
Score one for the seceshers. The leftists are laughing at you.

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Mahatma Gandhi

1 posted on 10/05/2013 11:49:56 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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2 posted on 10/05/2013 11:51:19 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: RKBA Democrat
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Mahatma Gandhi

Very Well put.

What is more American than the right of self determination. Should West Maryland or Colorado simply kneel over and take what the Politicians in the Capital give them, when they have no voice there?

3 posted on 10/05/2013 11:54:10 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: RKBA Democrat

When the real Americans really get enough, they’ll let you know....but don’t depend on getting regular supplies of food, fuel and electricity.


4 posted on 10/05/2013 11:54:51 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: RKBA Democrat
Makers vs takers.

Personal Liberty adherents vs. Statist voter slaves on the dole.

5 posted on 10/05/2013 11:55:31 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RKBA Democrat

Well there you go. It’s all about racist gun loving bible thumpers.


6 posted on 10/05/2013 11:56:28 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Bill Moyers?

Another 79 yr old one percenter who won’t retire and let some deserving journo school grad with $100 grand in student loans have a decent job, LOL.


7 posted on 10/05/2013 11:57:55 AM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: RKBA Democrat
Bizarre as it seems

This movement is not bizarre, it is 100% predictable if you pay attention to population density and how it affects culture and behavior. These secessionists are liberal vs. conservative, but that is not the root cause. It is rural vs. city.

8 posted on 10/05/2013 11:59:57 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: RKBA Democrat

Scotus 1964 decision Reynolds v. Sims.

A majority of black-robes sentenced entire states to the tyranny of their city mobs.


9 posted on 10/05/2013 11:59:58 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Obamacare - Forcing slaves to buy their chains.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

It is reasonable to want to keep the Constitution and freedoms that distinguish America from socialist countries. The fanatical leftists who love the socialist stuff should move to a socialist wonderland of their choice, instead of forcing the rest of us to give up what America is, and is supposed to be. There are plenty of countries that don’t have the 2nd Amendment or the 1st. Go, be happy.


10 posted on 10/05/2013 12:01:32 PM PDT by pallis
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To: RKBA Democrat

Obama supported the Hawaiian secessionists. But that holds to his anti-imperialist worldview.


11 posted on 10/05/2013 12:01:32 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Federalists supported a strong federal government? BS. Compared to the anti-federalists, to be sure, but certainly not compared to today’s liberals. There’s your myth.


12 posted on 10/05/2013 12:02:02 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Jacquerie

The new mayor of Jackson MS is also a secessionist, a black fiery racist secessionist and segregationalist to boot

notice any media caring to mention him??


13 posted on 10/05/2013 12:02:42 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: pallis

They keep pushing for Communism in Amerika because they claim that “real Communism hasn’t been tried yet”.

Why don’t they go to a country that already HAS Communism and push for “reform Communism”?

Why subvert a system that is nothing LIKE Communism?


14 posted on 10/05/2013 12:02:54 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: RKBA Democrat
“in a democracy, there are lots of other people who have viewpoints, and they don’t all throw a tantrum just because a vote doesn’t go their way.”

Oh yeah? How about the Defense of Marriage Act?

15 posted on 10/05/2013 12:04:12 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Paladin2

Bingo, and well said. I wait for the GOP to frame the debate in that way. Well, I’m not really waiting for them, but it sure would be effective and a change from always being on the defensive.


16 posted on 10/05/2013 12:05:54 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: RKBA Democrat
Batty Secession Schemes Gain a Foothold Among Rural Conservatives

You stay classy, obscure blogger guy ...

Bill Moyers.com

Aren't there homosexuals somewhere that Bill should be exposing just about now ...

17 posted on 10/05/2013 12:06:43 PM PDT by x
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18 posted on 10/05/2013 12:08:19 PM PDT by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Obama supported the Hawaiian secessionists.

If Hawaii seceded from the union, then which of the remaining 56 [sic] states would Hussein claim he was born in?

19 posted on 10/05/2013 12:11:47 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: GeronL
Reynolds v. Sims and Baker v. Carr are the sources of the silly one-man-one-vote baloney.

Most states since colonial times had a house of their legislature based on county representation.

So yes, rural counties represented in state senates were able to stop the wild democracy of state assemblies dominated by large cities.

Our Scotus didn't like that. Neither would have happened if the states still appointed senators.

20 posted on 10/05/2013 12:30:59 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obamacare - Forcing slaves to buy their chains.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Nothing on this Earth is as bizarre as Bill Moyers and the people who believe his socialist spew.


21 posted on 10/05/2013 12:33:52 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: RKBA Democrat

Idiot Moyers doesn’t understand the difference between secession (leaving the union) and splitting states up to create more states. Few advocate the former and the legions of people supporting the latter are growing every day.

I remember when I was a kid, Dad and his friends would have very happily split upstate NY off from NYC and created a separate state. Even in the 50s and 60s, they were very angry about the state sending all their tax money to the NYC cesspool. I remember very clearly them complaining about it.


22 posted on 10/05/2013 12:36:43 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: RKBA Democrat

Idiot Moyers doesn’t understand the difference between secession (leaving the union) and splitting states up to create more states. Few advocate the former and the legions of people supporting the latter are growing every day.

I remember when I was a kid, Dad and his friends would have very happily split upstate NY off from NYC and created a separate state. Even in the 50s and 60s, they were very angry about the state sending all their tax money to the NYC cesspool. I remember very clearly them complaining about it.


23 posted on 10/05/2013 12:36:44 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: RKBA Democrat

Idiot Moyers doesn’t understand the difference between secession (leaving the union) and splitting states up to create more states. Few advocate the former and the legions of people supporting the latter are growing every day.

I remember when I was a kid, Dad and his friends would have very happily split upstate NY off from NYC and created a separate state. Even in the 50s and 60s, they were very angry about the state sending all their tax money to the NYC cesspool. I remember very clearly them complaining about it.


24 posted on 10/05/2013 12:36:44 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: RKBA Democrat
Conservative activists in five rural Maryland counties are fed up with what they see as the tyranny of a democratically elected state government they don’t control.

Liberal activists in the Senate and the WH are fed up with what they see as the tyranny of a democratically elected House of Representatives they don't control.

25 posted on 10/05/2013 12:43:21 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Bill would be wise to show a little pause when so many of his fellow citizens are talking secession.

Bill won’t think its funny when it comes to his doorstep.


26 posted on 10/05/2013 12:54:22 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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27 posted on 10/05/2013 12:54:29 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: RKBA Democrat; Bender2

I live in one of those counties. Ain’t a political protest. Sick of socialism and the monopoly of liberal urbanites. This movement will grow until secession occurs.


28 posted on 10/05/2013 12:57:18 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: RKBA Democrat

A precedent was established in West Virginia long ago ... and many “whites” supported it b/c it was done against racists (Democrats) & slavery.


29 posted on 10/05/2013 1:02:53 PM PDT by mikrofon (Weekend BUMP)
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To: Vince Ferrer
It is rural vs. city.

Wasn't it kind of like that in the Civil War? If so, things have not changed much.

30 posted on 10/05/2013 1:04:24 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: Mark17

Let us see.

Who is the highest ranking elected secessionist?

Well, the Mayor of Jackson MS is. He is also an open racist, segregationalist and everything else. And he apparently got 86% of the vote

But of course, the MSM is silent because he is black


31 posted on 10/05/2013 1:05:54 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: RKBA Democrat

Bill may be 79 or whatever, and learned a lot interviewing leftists for so many years, but he never learned we live in a Constitutional republic, not a democracy.

He once held a series of great interviews with the late Joseph Campbell, who studied ancient cultures, whose overriding message was “Follow your bliss”. Hey Bill, secessionists CAN’T, due to the governments telling us we need to follow THEIR bliss.


32 posted on 10/05/2013 1:14:36 PM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: RKBA Democrat

Problem is there is still too high percent liberal in the rural areas. Where as big cities are usually 90%+ lib. But I still like the idea. They say we can’t survive if we’re divided, we’re divided now, let’s make it official.


33 posted on 10/05/2013 1:15:14 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

“Batty Secession Scheme ... Bizarre ats it seems”

When it is REALLY batty or bizarre, the writer needn’t force it into the story. No newspaper ran a headline saying, “Millions Believe Elvis is Still Alive”.

This is the journalistic equivalent of a sit-com laugh track.


34 posted on 10/05/2013 2:34:50 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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