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[vanity] Seeking "rule 308" rifle clarification
Vanity for clarification | 10/14/2013 | BlueFlag

Posted on 10/14/2013 7:56:14 AM PDT by Blueflag

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To: Circle_Hook

Yeah, that would be a nice firearm, but ... a Springfield armory M1A averages about $1500 as a bare rifle on gunbroker.com.

Honestly looking for the right rifle to hunt with AND can apply rule 308 *IF* ever needed.

The Springfield armory M1A fits more of the Rule 308 scenario than the stalking in the woods model. AND there is a $900 bare rifle difference.

I can be convinced though.


61 posted on 10/14/2013 9:34:09 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag

A lot more than 75+- lawsuits as Remington makes you sign a none disclosure to settle the lawsuit. The fix for this trigger problem in the beginning was for $1.00 a rifle. Remington felt it would cost to much. Ruger on the other hand will recall a weapon with a problem right away. Bearcat pistol, Mark I pistol,P-85 pistol they send a box with postage and ready to return to them. Two to four weeks latter you get it back fixed with a free mag. So when sold did not lose any sleep feeling they were unsafe.


62 posted on 10/14/2013 9:37:38 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Only a little side trip,not the whole show)
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To: lostboy61

I hear ya. Caveat emptor.


63 posted on 10/14/2013 9:45:50 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag

I used to hunt in Alaska, now I live in the mountains of Idaho. I started with a blued Ruger .308 heavy-barrel varmint rifle in a walnut stock with a 3x9 variable scope. It weighed 11 lbs. ready-to-go. I was hunting near saltwater. Every night I wiped it down with gun oil. Every morning there were rust spots forming on the bolt and the barrel. That rifle lasted exactly one hunt.

If I had a current hunting rifle it would be a Ruger Hawkeye Compact in .308, stainless, 18” barrel, laminated stock, Weaver 2-7 variable scope that would weigh 7.5 lbs. with everything attached. Of course, I no longer own any firearms - I rely on fedgov to protect and provide for me...


64 posted on 10/14/2013 9:46:03 AM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Blueflag
Here's the story of the Tasco 10x42M. About 15 years ago, the standard sniper scope for the Navy and Marine snipers was the Unertl 10x Mil-Dot scope. Unertl was going through a move or reorganization and the only other scope was the Leopold Mk IV. DoD did not want a sole source for precision rifle scopes, and so it put out a request for bids for scopes built to the Leopold Mk IV Mil-Spec.

Tasco contracted with Japanese optics maker Hakko to build an equivalent scope to the Leopold Mk IV. The USN then issued a contract for these scopes to make up for the shortage of Unertl scopes. Tasco offered the 10x42M Super Sniper on the civilian and law enforcement markets.

Tasco went bust and into reorganization, but there was an unmet demand for the 10x42M SS models. So, SWFA contracted with the manufacturer of the scope, Hakko, to build scopes exclusively for SWFA under the Tasco label. SWFA continues to market this quality scope for the bargain price of $399. I recommend it because: 1) outstanding optics, 2) positive adjustments that work with every click, 3) a reticle that's etched on the optical glass (goodbye broken or misaligned reticles), 4) nitrogen filled to keep the scope from fogging due to extreme temperature changes, 5) audible and tactile click adjustments, 6) side parallax adjustment and rear focus, and 7) extended screw-on sun shade.

This scope is a real winner and you get a lot of bang for your bucks. Here: http://www.swfa-ss.com/

65 posted on 10/14/2013 9:46:33 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Blueflag

You can pick up a nice M1A for less than 1200 bucks. They had them at Academy sports for that fo a standard model. There is a Px on the M14 forum where you can get some smoking deals on the m1a platform. There was an M1A national match with stainless barrel, 4 mags, cheek rest, hard case, and cleaning kit for sale a couple days ago for 1350$. They are deadly accurate rifles. Don’t buy one off gun broker, it will make you broker!! Lol. Good luck!


66 posted on 10/14/2013 9:48:32 AM PDT by Circle_Hook
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To: Blueflag
Not sure of your budget. However, if you can find one, reasonable (doubtful), look into getting a Pre-1964 Model 70 Winchester. I have one in .308. Trucked it all over the country. Smoothest action I've ever used. Love it.

In these tough economic times, you may find one from a private individual. Estate sale-prior to the auctioneer appraising things.

67 posted on 10/14/2013 9:51:37 AM PDT by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: MasterGunner01

I agree completely! Great scopes for the $!


68 posted on 10/14/2013 9:52:06 AM PDT by Circle_Hook
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To: MasterGunner01
Lot of people are saying good things about the Savage these days. Even better than the 700.

From my personal experience I would lean away from the short barrelled Springfield M1As. I bought one because I thought it would be fun, but it shoots so poorly that it isn't fun at all. It literally patterns instead of grouping. I have a craptacular, beat up, brought back from Vietnam SKS that shoots better with surplus, berdan primed, Czech ammo, than my brand new M1A with Federal NM.

69 posted on 10/14/2013 9:55:50 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Blueflag

Hope you have some ammo in your garage because although you CAN buy guns ammo is a different story.


70 posted on 10/14/2013 9:58:42 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: MasterGunner01

Would you call that a deer hunting scope or a Rule 308 scope? (just askin’)


71 posted on 10/14/2013 10:02:38 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Pick up a press and lay in supplies.


72 posted on 10/14/2013 10:02:39 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Circle_Hook

I get it about Gun Broker. They (M1A) are cheaper in my local range stock (used) as well. That’s just a reference.

The 700s and the Win 308s are looking more attractive per spec right now. I get it that the M1A is a better rifle.


73 posted on 10/14/2013 10:04:22 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Circle_Hook
I am a great fan of the Savage Model 10 (short action) and Model 110 (long action). The rifle is an outstanding value for your dollars. Plus, it's also available in left handed actions for 1/5 of the population who are left handed. The out of the box accuracy is incredible for a mass produced firearm. The Savage meets, and exceeds in some areas, the more expensive Remington Model 700.

As to rifle weight, a Model 10 with a 20-inch barrel keeps the weight down and overall length to 40 inches. Accuracy is not affected. The only improvement I'd make to the rifle would be the ability to take M14 magazines in 5 or 10 or 20 round capacity like the Parker-Hale M85 Sniper's.

74 posted on 10/14/2013 10:10:04 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: dangerdoc

I think you can get five round sporter magazines for the M1A.


75 posted on 10/14/2013 10:15:13 AM PDT by libstripper (Asv)
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To: Blueflag

If you are looking for a bolt-gun, either the Savage 110 or Remmy 700 topped with decent glass will do you.

But, why? You are already familiar with the AR platform, why not just step up to an LR-308/AR-10 offering and go with what you know? 300 yards is a chip-shot for either of the DPMS or Armalite .308’s. Barrel options, optics, triggers, furniture are just as varied for the .308/7.62x51 as they are for the .223/5.56x45.

Also, “patrol carrying” an AR on an extended stalk would be easier than doing the same with a full on bolt-gun/deer rifle. At least, from doing various types of field training on my own, I’d rather tote my AR than my Winchester.

Eugene Stoner’s little AR platform was originally designed around the .308 caliber round.

Just a few things to consider. ;-)

As for glass, depends on budget. If you can afford it, and are SERIOUS about it, US Optics/Nightforce/Leupold/Nikon. In that descending order. If not, find a decent Burris or “Cabelas” branded optic with the features you want and enjoy.


76 posted on 10/14/2013 10:18:06 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Blueflag

I do almost exclusively saltwater fishing for big fish like striper and bluefish. Surfcasting. Not bait & wait. I can’t eat freshwater fish, they are nasty. And no, I am not good at fishing, but I enjoy it, and constantly strive to improve my game.

Good luck with your fun! As long as you are enjoying it, that’s the key!


77 posted on 10/14/2013 10:20:31 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: libstripper

You can, I was giving you a hard time.


78 posted on 10/14/2013 10:22:08 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Blueflag
In scopes, you get what you pay for in the optics world. You can buy an adequate deer hunting scope for under $200. Whether to go with a low power or higher power or variable power optic is personal choice. As for me, I found the Tasco 10x42M is the best all around scope for my needs. Its ruggedness (up to .50 BMG proof) is a huge plus in my book.

The brightness of the scope under early and late day conditions is exceptional. Resolution is very crisp. Cheaper scopes will not come close to the optical quality of this scope. Windage and elevation changes are positive and accurate; something not reliable with cheaper scopes.

If you are satisfied with less, that's OK. If you're wanting quality combined with ruggedness, the 10x42M is the one for you.

79 posted on 10/14/2013 10:26:39 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: reed13

for later review


80 posted on 10/14/2013 10:39:21 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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