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[vanity] Seeking "rule 308" rifle clarification
Vanity for clarification | 10/14/2013 | BlueFlag

Posted on 10/14/2013 7:56:14 AM PDT by Blueflag

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To: Eaker

Did they at least send you a New one?

Or is that an original Grand?


101 posted on 10/14/2013 8:13:00 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

It wasn’t mine. It belonged to the now deceased FReeper TexasCowboy.

He got his money back on this one and the unfired one he had bought for his son.


102 posted on 10/14/2013 8:18:42 PM PDT by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Blueflag
The Remington 700 .308 is a excellent choice. You may want to look at the Savage and Ruger .308’s also.

Right after the Connecticut shooting, .308/ 7.62 x 51 were hard to come by but are showing up in stock more these days.

103 posted on 10/14/2013 8:57:34 PM PDT by longhorn too
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To: Eaker

Just dang. What causes such a massive malfunction?


104 posted on 10/15/2013 7:49:39 AM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: Blueflag

Only thing I’ve seen that I’d quibble with is recommendations for the Savage 110. I know of two occassions where the bolt was cycled, brass ejected, and the bolt failed to pick up another round. One happened to me with a 30-06, the other to a friend, 7mm Rem mag. Both happened to experienced hunters, under hunting conditions. So far as I know, my Winchesters eject brass only after they’ve passed the point of no return on picking up another round. Short-action Savage may be different...I don’t know.


105 posted on 10/15/2013 2:09:24 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Gabrial

In GI guns, usually the culprit is an “out of battery” discharge”. This happens for perhaps two reasons-a primer that is not seated flush or below flush in the case, or a broken firing pin which protrudes forward of the bolt face (normally, the M1/M1A/M14 FP is retracted by the rear bridge and is freed only at the point of 100% bolt rotation).

In either case, the cartridge is fired before the bolt is locked and since the cartridge is contained partially by the chamber, the head ( rear end of the case) ruptures, releasing 50k PSI into the action and surrounding wood. Often the bolt is broken, the stock is shattered and the box mag (M1A/14) is destroyed. The shooter often endures blast wounds and fragments.

As far as the action failing under a normally seated and locked condition- I do not think any GI M1 or 14 has ever been documented to fail. In fact, MG Hatcher of the US Army ord dept ground off the lugs on a an M1 until only 1/10 of an inch remained, both on the bolt and in the receiver (left lug, right lug is integral with the right rail), and the gun still held together with repeated firings of both M2 ball (50k psi) and proof(70k psi) rounds. The M1/14 actions are among the toughest of all actions, period.


106 posted on 10/16/2013 10:18:47 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior

Very informative post. I once had a Beretta BM-59 and found it to be one of the most solid rifles I ever owned. It was stamped 7.62 so I never shot .308 Winchester through it. The pictures of the failure made me cringe!


107 posted on 10/16/2013 9:10:10 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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