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Forget about Puerto Rico, It's Clear that The Philippines Should Become Our 51st State. Oh Yeah!
Nov, 12, 13 | Lee Martell

Posted on 11/12/2013 5:35:37 PM PST by lee martell

For a couple of decades, there has been speculation and debate on making Puerto Rico into our 51st Amercian state. Puerto Rican citizens have been asked many times in various ways. Usually, the majority says "No". The P.R. voters seem comfortable with the status quo, one that sees Puerto Rico as a kind of hybrid, a Territory of the United States, one that does not have to pay taxes. A very cozy relationship. Some Puerto Ricans are against our form of government anyway, and always will be. These are people who put greater trust in a Government that operates on the Grab and Gobble theory of taking over the main institutions essential to a productive society. In other words, the Hugo Chavez Method of Benevolent Dictatorship. Many Americans would say the USA is already caught in that same sticky web of a pseudo-dictatorship with President Obama, some 'lovin' it' others not so much.

Now we have a historic moment, where the Philippines has been pummeled by one of the worst typhoons ever recorded in the history of the world. I'm glad we are sending the $25. million to help, along with some of our military. I know our military's prime job is not necessarily to behave as a proxy to FEMA, something Clinton used to do to excess. However, in the wake of unprecedented devastation, it is most certainly the right thing to do. More money is likely to be sent in the near future. We need to be prudent as a nation, and take advantage of this situation. I don't mean, I delight over the Philippine's suffering. absolutely not. But there will be suffering and chaos for quite some time ahead. It is inevitable. Their national recovery will be long term and must be spread over the multitudes of archipelagoes and unnamed island clusters.

This is exponentially worse than the nuclear meltdown in Japan, because almost every city and province has had its virtual face ripped off by that Storm of Storms. Why don't we welcome this nation into the fold? Why not indeed. The Philippinos I have met are as a majority hard working, bright, English speaking, very family oriented, largely Christian or Buddhist. Nobody's perfect, meaning of the Asian nations' I think the Philippine people are the most westernized, for better or worse. As Reagan said, "Trust but Verify". Another reason, look at the geography, look how close to Chinese owned islands they are. Keep in mind, this Philippine government is already considering inviting the Americans back to set us businesses, back to provide a strong buffer between them and Greedy China. Another reason, we all know the Dems and some misguided Rinos want the votes and the workers that open door amnesty is supposed to provide. Most thinking people know the Mexicans are probably going to be 80% Dem. I would think many philippinos would be open minded enough to consider both parties. These are ideas the average American President would already be chewing on. No, I don't expect President O to do this, I'm talking about his likely successor; President Fauxcohontas! I don't like her either, but she does crunch her numbers, out loud even.


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1 posted on 11/12/2013 5:35:37 PM PST by lee martell
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To: lee martell

The Philippines Should Become The 51st State
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/jan/article528.html


2 posted on 11/12/2013 5:37:10 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Many on the left see faith & family as oppressive, the right sees them as indispensable." Palin)
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To: lee martell

Can’t we just be friends with them?


3 posted on 11/12/2013 5:37:37 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: lee martell

I’m pretty sure that Barry and his ‘RATS are planning on Mexico being #51.


4 posted on 11/12/2013 5:38:48 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Millions are losing their healthcare thanks to ObamaCare! What a country!!!)
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To: lee martell

¿Puerto donde?


5 posted on 11/12/2013 5:39:18 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Mooslems’ too?


6 posted on 11/12/2013 5:39:38 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: lee martell

No.


7 posted on 11/12/2013 5:39:54 PM PST by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: lee martell

Let me be the first to point out this fact: The Philippines are no longer a territory of the USA and haven’t been for a long time now, they are an independent and sovereign country and cannot be granted statehood in the USA. Puerto Rico on the other hand is a territory of the USA and therefore can be made a state if they wish for statehood, they don’t want it and have made that clear many times.


8 posted on 11/12/2013 5:39:55 PM PST by calex59
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To: lee martell

No. If they become a state, its just one less place to go to get away.


9 posted on 11/12/2013 5:41:55 PM PST by marron
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To: Olog-hai

Como? No lo tengo las pallabras correcto?


10 posted on 11/12/2013 5:42:04 PM PST by lee martell
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To: lee martell

Er, I don’t think so. Besides, I do not really want to move back to central Europe right now.


11 posted on 11/12/2013 5:42:20 PM PST by AlexW
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To: lee martell

As someone born in the PI, but American to the core, nothing would make me prouder. Filipinos are great American citizens. I just wish we could turn back the hands of time when this could have been possible.
Thank-you so much considering the possibilities. Filipinos have always greatly admired the USA. They fought bravely in WWII. May of my father’s friends and their sons have continued the tradition of serving in our military. It would be a natural pairing.


12 posted on 11/12/2013 5:44:11 PM PST by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: calex59

I didn’t know that. However, when the pay off potential is high, rules can be re-written or invented where they never existed before, just ask Pres.O, watch him pull another rabbit out of his hat.


13 posted on 11/12/2013 5:45:51 PM PST by lee martell
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To: lee martell

Puerto Rico doesn’t pay taxes or otherwise have any obligation to the US but still get all the welfare, benefits, etc. Is that true?


14 posted on 11/12/2013 5:46:14 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: lee martell

This is probably hands down the dumbest idea I have ever read with my eyes. The only person who would benefit is the guy who makes the EBT cards. If this ever came to pass, I would curse the name of Admiral Dewey to the end of time. I would wail why did you just keep your fleet anchored in Hong Kong. I would rather give it back to Spain.


15 posted on 11/12/2013 5:48:07 PM PST by gusty
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To: calex59

Texas and California were soveriegn republics that were granted statehood. There is a political party in the Philippines that proposes statehood.


16 posted on 11/12/2013 5:48:27 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Many on the left see faith & family as oppressive, the right sees them as indispensable." Palin)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

If we’re going to Pal Around with them, might as well make it lucrative for both parties, a quid pro quo situation. Look how China has set up house in Zimbabwe, financing the Zim debt, employing erstwhile unemployables, all the while mining for gold and diamonds and rubies galore! China is playing it smart.


17 posted on 11/12/2013 5:51:34 PM PST by lee martell
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To: lee martell

This idea is simply..... insane.

There is no reason to consider adding any states, never mind a country with vast and poor population, on the far side of the Pacific Ocean.

The proposal is incoherent. Separate (1) disaster relief from (2) US long-term interests and goals, and (3) Filipino long-term interests and goals.

Take care of disaster relief as appropriate.

Do not confuse that with thinking that either (2) or (3) would have anything to do with making the Phillipines part of the USA. Even if the Filipinos wanted this (don’t forget they kicked us out of our bases there not so long ago, so they don’t want us) it would mainly be for what they could “get” from us — we do not need any more freeloaders and socialists and voters for the Demagogues!!


18 posted on 11/12/2013 5:53:54 PM PST by Enchante
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just leave them alone, anyhow there cannot be many people left in the PI they have all moved to Las Vegas. The Phil women are most happy to marry a retired GI and sign on for the life time pension. Leave them over there
19 posted on 11/12/2013 5:54:52 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (The lessons of Wiemar are soon to be relearned,)
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To: lulu16

“As someone born in the PI, but American to the core, nothing would make me prouder.”
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NO !!!. I do not want to move again.
Thank God, it would never happen, anyway.


20 posted on 11/12/2013 5:59:33 PM PST by AlexW
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; lee martell

Based on the 2010 census, this state would send 135 Members of Congress.

Is that REALLY a good idea?


21 posted on 11/12/2013 6:01:13 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: lee martell

Talk about this.

Don’t dismiss it out of hand.

America is currently fading fast. I believe we will rebound and reverse course before long, and adding an ally like the PI would to me, be smart. I believe the Philippines is a possibly strong ally and personally would support this idea.


22 posted on 11/12/2013 6:03:36 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: lulu16

It’s too late, but an interesting idea. I have a friend who was a law clerk for the Supreme Court in the Philippines. He views the post WWII leaders as idiots for giving up the chance to remain an American territory and possible a state later on like Hawaii. Manuel Quezon famously said “I would rather the Philippines be governed like hell by Filipinos than like heaven by the Americans.” Most Filipinos would agree that is what happened with a few exceptions like Ramon Magsasay


23 posted on 11/12/2013 6:07:42 PM PST by Conservative Vet
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To: lulu16

It’s too late, but an interesting idea. I have a friend who was a law clerk for the Supreme Court in the Philippines. He views the post WWII leaders as idiots for giving up the chance to remain an American territory and possible a state later on like Hawaii. Manuel Quezon famously said “I would rather the Philippines be governed like hell by Filipinos than like heaven by the Americans.” Most Filipinos would agree that is what happened with a few exceptions like Ramon Magsasay


24 posted on 11/12/2013 6:07:43 PM PST by Conservative Vet
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To: lee martell

Methinks there may be some folks in the ARMM, the area around sulu sea and Jolo that might not wanna’ go along.
Just sayin’ . . .


25 posted on 11/12/2013 6:07:53 PM PST by Macoozie (1) Win the Senate 2) Repeal Obamacare 3) Impeach Roberts)
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To: Jim Noble; AlexW

It would be apportioned differently than that and I don’t think the Muslim south wants to be a part of the USA, either. They’d only have 2 senators, just like California. Every FReeper that I talk to that lives there can’t say enough good things about the place and the people.


26 posted on 11/12/2013 6:09:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Many on the left see faith & family as oppressive, the right sees them as indispensable." Palin)
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To: Conservative Vet

I agree with your friend. Quezon is now an idiot in my book.

That’s why I refuse to visit anymore. It breaks my heart to see so much lost potential. My husband is going with my folks next year. I hate being without him, but I just can’t do it.


27 posted on 11/12/2013 6:13:06 PM PST by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: lee martell

3 different insurgencies, rampant corruption.

Pass.


28 posted on 11/12/2013 6:18:58 PM PST by gaijin
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To: lee martell

Hey, what’s 35 million people added to the welfare roles. That’s just counting those below the poverty line using the metrics of the Phillipines. It could be 50-60 million. Just wonderful. Any other poverty stricken countries we can add to the American taxpayers bill.


29 posted on 11/12/2013 6:19:15 PM PST by gusty
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To: lee martell; All

The only problem with this is that southern Phillipines, island of Mindanao, is largely Muslim....and the Fillipinos have had problems with the Islamic Terrorists in the region. It would be devastating to bring in a state with a large Muslim population

Not a bad idea if you keep the Muslims out


30 posted on 11/12/2013 6:22:01 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (2014: RINO Hunting Season)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Not a bad idea if you keep the Muslims out, and the tens of millions who would end up on the dole.


31 posted on 11/12/2013 6:23:57 PM PST by gusty
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To: Jim Noble
Based on the 2010 census, this state would send 135 Members of Congress.

Yep. With nearly 100 million people, the Philippine congressional delegation would run the House and have enough electoral votes to name their own president.

I like the Philippines. I like their people. I wish them nothing but good and think we should do all possible to help them in their current tragedy.

But they are not Americans. Just allow them to be who they are and we can stay who we are.

32 posted on 11/12/2013 6:24:45 PM PST by Ditto
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To: lulu16

I had a commander that was a Colonel F-4 driver that was Pilipino. Tough little bastard but he had a fighting spirit. Served in Vietnam as an F-4 driver and was known to volunteer for the tough assignments. He HATED communist North Vietnamese.


33 posted on 11/12/2013 6:27:00 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It would be apportioned differently than that and I don’t think the Muslim south wants to be a part of the USA, either.”
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Muslim south? I think you overestimate their influence.
They have a very small autonomous region in the far west of Mindanao, as their presence goes back to the 15th century. I do not know if I have seen a single Muzie since moving here, but one of my “dogs in a manger” FR guys can’t wait for one to row his canoe all the way to Cebu and cut my head off, haha.


34 posted on 11/12/2013 6:30:08 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

” I believe the Philippines is a possibly strong ally and personally would support this idea.”
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NO, NO, NO, and NO!


35 posted on 11/12/2013 6:33:21 PM PST by AlexW
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To: AlexW

The ones that accuse you of “abandoning the good fight” here in the land of the big PX?


36 posted on 11/12/2013 6:33:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Many on the left see faith & family as oppressive, the right sees them as indispensable." Palin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hawaii too.


37 posted on 11/12/2013 6:37:20 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The ones that accuse you of “abandoning the good fight””
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Yes, there are about four of them, but I have yet to have one explain how THEY are fighting the Obamination. All they can do is bark. I still do as much as any American, and that is VOTE.


38 posted on 11/12/2013 6:37:31 PM PST by AlexW
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To: AlexW

Why not?

Would be interested to hear your reasoning.

I believe once we stop selling out American businesses, we’ll need to build up what we’ve been selling out now for the entire last generation.

A pairing up of America with the Philippines would be an interesting idea.

I’m not advocating it. But I’m not arguing against it yet either.

You seem to be in a unique position in this discussion. Take as a starting point, an America once again interesting in growing.

(in other words, we would have to stop building up China, and return to building up America)

If that happened, America would possibly be in need of more population.

Just saying...


39 posted on 11/12/2013 6:38:36 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: CodeToad

Most of the ROK (South Korean) officers I worked with at I Corps had been with the two ROKA divisions we borrowed to help us in Vietnam. They had wild stories to tell about their adventures with the NVA and Viet Cong. LOL


40 posted on 11/12/2013 6:45:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Many on the left see faith & family as oppressive, the right sees them as indispensable." Palin)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Would be interested to hear your reasoning.”
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My opinion is simply one of selfishness, as I am very happy with my life here. If America was the country that it was 25 years ago, I might feel different. If and when America stops its decent into Hell, which will not happen in my short life, I might be all for it. At this time, however, I will not be part of the Obamination.
Do not mistake my opinion as unpatriotic. I am as American as anyone, going back to my great great great uncle, Samuel Wilson, war of 1812, America’s Uncle Sam.
As I always say, I did not leave America, America has left me.


41 posted on 11/12/2013 6:51:38 PM PST by AlexW
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To: CodeToad

I appreciate your story of his valor.


42 posted on 11/12/2013 6:54:04 PM PST by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: calex59

Actually, the fact that they are an independent country does not mean they can’t be granted statehood in the USA: Vermont and Texas were both independent countries until the point when the joined the Union.

Independent countries can be granted statehood by treaty and act of Congress as happened in those cases.

Of course, I see no evidence the Philippines wish to become the 51st state, and I’m not sure how prudent it would be since we would pick up the MILF and Abu Sayyaf insurgencies.

The time for this is long past. Interestingly when the Philippines were under U.S. control after the Spanish-American War, there was a Muslim uprising which General Blackjack Pershing put down (with tactics which included exploiting the Muslim horror of pork). After the rebellion was suppressed the Muslims in the Philippines were among the loudest advocates of pursuing statehood, since they decided that the First Amendment would give them a better deal then being in an independent majority Christian country without an explicit guarantee of religious freedom.


43 posted on 11/12/2013 6:54:26 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: lee martell

Ok Let`s swap northern and western NY State to secede to become a separate Republic and let the Philipines takes its place, cos pinoys can`t own guns but usn`s here ain`t never gonna tell anybody them governeners federalis and coumonuistas bout if`n we got guns or not.
Guns for no guns. Fair trade.


44 posted on 11/12/2013 6:58:16 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (`)
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To: lee martell

The Filipinos I’ve met are all very nice people, but I don’t think that is enough reason to admit them into the union. I can say hte same about all the Canadians I’ve met, and certainly their western provinces are closer to conservative thinking than just about any other group of people I’ve met outside the US.


45 posted on 11/12/2013 6:58:16 PM PST by Betis70
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To: Enchante
Don't forget they kicked us out of our bases there not so long ago, so they don't want us

They didn't kick us out. They got greedy and wanted to renegotiate a HUGE increase in lease payments at Clark and Subic Bay. We told them to pound sand. It cost them dearly in the end...

46 posted on 11/12/2013 6:58:55 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: Ditto

“But they are not Americans. Just allow them to be who they are and we can stay who we are. “

We sure aren’t staying who we are.

A lot of Americans aren’t Americans anymore.

And I’m not talking about recent immigrants.


47 posted on 11/12/2013 7:04:35 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: lee martell

Following ancient Rome’s example I see. Make everyone a citizen of America! That’ll show those dems.


48 posted on 11/12/2013 7:07:30 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: lee martell

No

No way


49 posted on 11/12/2013 7:29:33 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: The_Reader_David
The thing is if they were a territory all that would have to happen would be for them to meet a certain criteria and have the people in the territory vote on statehood. The way it is now, and has been since 1946, it would take a huge effort from congress and from the Philippines in order to make it happen. The Philippine people decided a long time ago not to become a state of the USA and I am pretty sure they still don't want that.

Puerto Rico also doesn't want to become a state, they have voted it down several times in the recent past.

50 posted on 11/12/2013 8:21:15 PM PST by calex59
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