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The Hazards of Psychic Backlash
mysteriousuniverse.org ^ | December 6, 2013 | Nick Redfern

Posted on 12/06/2013 9:24:59 PM PST by BenLurkin

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Moving on to the 1990s, there is the very unsettling saga of Ray Boeche, an Anglican priest and a former state-director for MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network. In 1991, Boeche met (at Lincoln, Nebraska) with two US Department of Defense physicists working on a project to try and contact what were termed “Non-Human Entities,” or NHEs. While the initial assumption on the part of the DoD team-members was that the NHEs were extraterrestrial, that view soon changed. And radically so, too.

Eventually, the project personnel concluded that far from being the aliens they purported to be, the NHEs were demonic – as in literally demonic. In other words, the DoD team concluded that the UFO phenomenon itself was born out of satanic deception, rather than alien visitation.

When the DoD scientists immersed themselves in the world of the NHEs, bad things began to occur. As Boeche told me, regardless of how benevolent or beneficial any of the contact they had with these entities seemed to be, it always ended up being tainted, for lack of a better term, with something that ultimately turned out to be bad. There was ultimately nothing positive from the interaction with the NHEs. Indeed, certain experimentation reportedly ended in death for some of those involved in the program.

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You have been warned. In the world of the paranormal, it’s wise to tread very, very carefully…

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TOPICS: UFO's; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: angels; belongsinreligion; demons; nickredfern; nutjobsonfr; obama; paranormal; tinfoilhatbrigade
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1 posted on 12/06/2013 9:24:59 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

no shit sherlock


2 posted on 12/06/2013 9:32:15 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred; shibumi

“The shadows know” ping.


3 posted on 12/06/2013 9:34:58 PM PST by Salamander (I know things that you don't. I've done things that you won't.)
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To: BenLurkin; HiTech RedNeck

someone asked me one day if i believed in the ouija board and i said yeah sure but how do you know that the person you are talking to is really the person you are talking to but when you are grounded in GOD the comedy is ON


4 posted on 12/06/2013 9:36:38 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Salamander

bizzabt


5 posted on 12/06/2013 9:37:27 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: BenLurkin

I’d really like to see their methods and research. But of course, instead of pressing upload the author says “buy my book”.

Note: I have always considered this a possibility. But at this point the author posts nothing but conjecture, and near the end of the article “all detailed in my book”. If I conducted this research and came to the same conclusion, I would have a problem with NOT sharing it for free.


6 posted on 12/06/2013 9:38:18 PM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

It’s also double hearsay.


7 posted on 12/06/2013 9:40:04 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: bigheadfred

Wot?

[I miss Quix]

:)


8 posted on 12/06/2013 9:44:04 PM PST by Salamander (I know things that you don't. I've done things that you won't.)
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To: BenLurkin

Well in any case, it has peaked my interest. I have heard tons of these types of stories and I have always been deeply interested in the idea that UFO’s could be angels and fallen angels. I’ll try to find it somewhere and read it.


9 posted on 12/06/2013 9:44:41 PM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: bigheadfred

Ouija boards make good kindling.

My mom bought me one for Christmas when I was 12 or so.

Have no idea WTH she was thinking.


10 posted on 12/06/2013 9:45:23 PM PST by Salamander (I know things that you don't. I've done things that you won't.)
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To: BenLurkin

The view that UFOs represented demonic manifestations was held by the noted and very influential American Orthodox monk Fr. Seraphim Rose. (His writings were smuggled into the Soviet Union and widely read and highly-regarded by the faithful there.)


11 posted on 12/06/2013 9:49:50 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: FreedomStar3028

I cannot recall the title offhand but I have a really good paperback that links angels, aliens, MIB, “fairies” and demons.

It’s not exactly written from a Christian viewpoint but the logic was so sound that I’ve never felt the desire to mess with such things.

Ironically, I’m watching “Ghost Adventures” right now.

Love the show, never miss it.

I keep waiting for one of the “ghosts” to finally bellow “I AM LEGION” or some such thing and scare the snot outta Zak.

:)


12 posted on 12/06/2013 9:49:54 PM PST by Salamander (I know things that you don't. I've done things that you won't.)
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To: Salamander

i am an infinite intelligent being that signed on

any deviation is unacceptable in this form


13 posted on 12/06/2013 9:56:42 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: BenLurkin

there’s a lot of garbage out there on the “so called “ paranormal

for interesting reading read the research done by the P.E.A.R. project.

an acronym for Princeton Engineering Anomaly Research

the DOD financed much of the project that went on for 25 years.

if you can wade thru the test basis for how the experiments were constructed there are some startling results /outcomes

far from showing demons at work, much of the research shows quite the opposite.

there are several books that are the result of PEAR

i am amazed the work they did is not better known


14 posted on 12/06/2013 9:59:19 PM PST by jcon40
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To: jcon40

LINK IT


15 posted on 12/06/2013 10:01:07 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Salamander

Do you perhaps have any clue of part of the title? Or perhaps maybe the author, or year? What cover looked like? Anything that I could use to track it down would be helpful.


16 posted on 12/06/2013 10:11:38 PM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: Salamander

They still make those? Then they should rename them Obama Boards (now that we’ve got a name).

Gateway to the Underworld. Nobody ever dug that board out thinking, “Oh yay, let’s play a fun game!” More like “How if we call up a demon to scare the living hell out of us?”


17 posted on 12/06/2013 10:15:25 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: bigheadfred

http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/experiments.html

Googling Princeton Engineering Anomaly Research took almost ten seconds...


18 posted on 12/06/2013 10:15:48 PM PST by NonLinear (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: Salamander

Jacques Vallee’s “Passport to Magonia” covered some of that territory. His conclusion was that all of these things—angels, elves, aliens, etc.—share some common traits and seem to come from some collective subconscious place.


19 posted on 12/06/2013 10:20:35 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: bigheadfred

http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/

enjoy. this link will lead you on a long road but well worth the time.

many other links to be found from there as well as what some of those researchers are doing today.


20 posted on 12/06/2013 10:21:44 PM PST by jcon40
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To: bigheadfred

cant seem to get the link as its a pdf file
But check this out on Chicks!

Google search: P.E.AR. robot chickens

about 4 lines down you will see the link
PEAR phychokinetic chickens. ....

read that paper

15 baby chicks follow a robotic device for extended periods around a wooden table. they are then caged on one side of the table and the robot spends an average of 71% of its time on the side of the table where the chicks are. the chicks want the robot near and succeed. no bad here

random expectation would only predict a 50% expectation

the construct of the test was to demonstrate that the chicks could mentally alter the outcome of what should have been a random 50/50 outcome

if you can understand what they have achieved in this test it is IMHO one of the greatest scientific examples of not only what consciousness is capable of but that it is not enhanced by higher intelligence or the ability of who is the deepest thinker.


21 posted on 12/06/2013 11:03:00 PM PST by jcon40
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To: bigheadfred

Well, yes you can get supernaturally guided movement when using a Ouija. It happened to me and my mom decades ago. The stuff it came up with was pretty plain, it was about my brother on a scouting trip. But she was fascinated reading about weird stuff like Edgar Cayce. (I don’t suggest delving into that. It is deep occult.)

While you as a believer could ask the Holy Spirit to do that, and for all I know He might, I’d say why bother. The Lord will put scripture in your head when you need it. God usually tells you holy things to guide you. He isn’t (commonly) into future telling.


22 posted on 12/06/2013 11:06:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: jcon40

And being chickens, they may have done it through poltergeists.

(That’s German for chicken spirits.)

And anyhow... the lead article is very correct about warning about trying to interact with the paranormal in an unholy context. Don’t. Do. It. The bible warns about sorcery. Valid Judeo-Christian experiences are different. They are holy. The unholy will present a warped view of reality; the holy will present an honest view of reality. Remember, the PURPOSE of the supernatural entity is part of reality. God wants to bless and save and tell you truth. The devil wants to curse and get you lost and tell you lies.


23 posted on 12/06/2013 11:16:49 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Salamander

“Ouija boards make good kindling.”

Except they burn for hours and hours. Screaming the entire time. (At least according to a childhood friend of mine when he told the story many years ago.)

My buddy had a Ouija board and it never worked. (Thank goodness). We found a crystal ball and tried having seances with that - never worked. (”Crystal” balls CAN be glow-in-the-dark plastic can’t they?)

We ended on a high note however. Rigging up his basement with fishing line attached to a lamp, a picture on the wall, and a wooden chair. Freaked out a couple of the girls when the chair moved, etc. as we asked “show usssssss a signnnn.”

Like I said, REALLY glad we never got it to work. I wonder if it had something to do with not really believing in that crap at a young age. (And now I do!)


24 posted on 12/06/2013 11:23:52 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve

You likely had sufficient holy protection to prevent the devil’s (demons’) involvement.

The devil tends to be drawn to severe weirdness, severe sin (and will try to further it). Demons probably are responsible for what is commonly known as generational curses. These curses can be broken by the power of the gospel.


25 posted on 12/06/2013 11:30:33 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

No, darn it.

Sorry.

I just looked in the cabinet where I used to have it but it’s all full of art supplies now.

I have to think of where I moved all the stuff that used to be in there to.

Basically, it took myths and archetypes like fairies, elves, aliens, MIB and said that it was the same ‘spirit’ simply redressing itself appropriately for the current culture.


26 posted on 12/06/2013 11:31:08 PM PST by Salamander (I know things that you don't. I've done things that you won't.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

if you take the time to look at the PEAR project research you might be surprised at what their scientific research points to.

in all of my years of following their research i found nothing anti Christian. even better, some nice outcomes that point to the power of love, family, friendship and other positive aspects of life that Christianity


27 posted on 12/06/2013 11:31:42 PM PST by jcon40
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To: jcon40

Anything paranormal that does not directly involve God is, in fact, anti-God. I will not let myself get deceived or confused by the devil’s expurgation of God’s reality.


28 posted on 12/06/2013 11:33:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Ezekiel

You got that right.

I remember opening it and thinking “What?!?”.

I had no one to “play” it with and damned if I was gonna mess with it, myself.

Since I tend to packrat all my stuff from one house to another, it eventually made it here and I found it out in the smokehouse one day.

It was one of the old ones that were made of wood.

Burned real good.

:)


29 posted on 12/06/2013 11:34:32 PM PST by Salamander (I know things that you don't. I've done things that you won't.)
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To: jcon40

And the devil’s game is to take glory away from God, and make it look like it belongs to other entities. (Human selves, idols, animals, plants, putative lesser gods.) If they did get some holy data as well, fine. But I’m not going to fascinate myself with the unholy things they did.


30 posted on 12/06/2013 11:35:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I know I’ve read a Vallee book but also can’t remember which one...LOL


31 posted on 12/06/2013 11:36:02 PM PST by Salamander (I know things that you don't. I've done things that you won't.)
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To: Ezekiel

You know better. Many people are ignorant and curious and have little or no concept of a demon.


32 posted on 12/06/2013 11:37:37 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 21twelve

I do know that Tarot cards scream when you burn them.

Not of the mind to say much more about that, if that’s okay.

That was a different life.


33 posted on 12/06/2013 11:37:57 PM PST by Salamander (I know things that you don't. I've done things that you won't.)
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To: Salamander

Might have been a demon complaining about the destruction of his plaything... anyhow, God is not just a little more powerful than demons, God is vastly more powerful. It isn’t even close to a fair fight when God is on an equal footing.


34 posted on 12/06/2013 11:41:17 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Salamander

Sounds like a win-win.

You got rid of the insidious interloper and it went back home to (and in) a hideous raging inferno. :)


35 posted on 12/06/2013 11:45:12 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
A question came up about demons, spirits, etc. on why they seem to be more prevalent in 3rd world countries? One of the thoughts was that Satan doesn't need to be so “in your face” to turn us Americans away from God as there are already so many other gods that we worship that distract us.
36 posted on 12/06/2013 11:49:20 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Made a nice [if noisy] little bonfire for a summer night.

:)


37 posted on 12/06/2013 11:52:34 PM PST by Salamander (I know things that you don't. I've done things that you won't.)
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To: Ezekiel

I tossed a bunch of stuff into the fire that night.

It was...kinda weird.

Very noisy.


38 posted on 12/06/2013 11:54:40 PM PST by Salamander (I know things that you don't. I've done things that you won't.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I was relating childhood memories. At least at that time (way back in ancient history!), kids intuitively perceived that a foul spirit inhabited the board. Hence it was pulled out when we were in the rare mood to scare ourselves, not for light-hearted fun.


39 posted on 12/06/2013 11:56:03 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Salamander

A demon roast, heh. Now if the noise were because they were griping about the fire... too bad. They should love fire. :)


40 posted on 12/07/2013 12:01:25 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: 21twelve

The big 1st world idol is materialism. Stark supernatural experiences would introduce rivals to that idol.


41 posted on 12/07/2013 12:02:44 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Ezekiel

No, not all children believed that, only those exposed to Christian preaching about it. If a parent was fascinated with the occult (as my mother was) the warnings wouldn’t be there.


42 posted on 12/07/2013 12:04:36 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Ezekiel

I doubt that supernatural spirits have any interaction with the physical fire of our mortal coil that is any different from their interaction with other items in our mortal coil. Any fire stunts would be on the order of “look at us!” not something that God forces upon them.

The fires of eternity are in another plane of existence, and I suspect (IMHO only) they may simply be metaphorical for the state of self-torment that evil spirits inherit for themselves by means of rejecting their duty and prerogatives as former holy angels. There is no salvation for an unholy angel. A resolutely rebellious human soul that spurns salvation for its entire life ends up as the slave of tormented evil angel. The wickedness of hell is hard for most normal people to even begin to grasp. Deep descent into sin is needed to even begin to understand how resolutely wicked and twisted hell can be. I’ve been in fairly deep sin, have no intention of returning to it, but I think it taught me some things about hell.


43 posted on 12/07/2013 12:10:59 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Ezekiel

Squealy little screams.

Pretty freaky.

I tried to convince myself it was something odd about the ink.

Then I saw things in the fire.

Weird night.


44 posted on 12/07/2013 12:24:15 AM PST by Salamander (I know things that you don't. I've done things that you won't.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I can only add amen.


45 posted on 12/07/2013 12:26:01 AM PST by Salamander (I know things that you don't. I've done things that you won't.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Glory to God for salvation through His Son Jesus Christ.


46 posted on 12/07/2013 12:27:50 AM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Very much so. It’s God’s glory all around.

For the saved, our interactions with hell are only that much more education in what God’s glory is about. We see the positive in contrast to the negative (the situation of falling short of the glory).


47 posted on 12/07/2013 12:30:10 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Salamander

The devil’s game is to twist, hide, and lie. He can’t generate any new glory; all he can do is misuse the glory that God has already put into the creation.

That also makes it easier to break his game, than we would think. Since he has to work with God’s glory, tracing the glory back to God and praising God for that glory will send Satan packing, and soon the illusions will begin to clear and we will start to see things that we will begin to understand were there all the time, but Satan had been hiding them from us.

As to where the game started: I say look square at the Garden of Eden events. The bible doesn’t spell out how the rest of mankind got into a spirit meld with the rebellion of Adam and Eve, but it is undeniable that it did. “We sinned” in Adam — not “sin happened to us” in Adam. It really was our fault.


48 posted on 12/07/2013 12:37:47 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: thecodont

And I must return to glorifying God (and so should we all) lest we become proud that we might understand something about hell, which isn’t anything glamorous anyhow. It’s like understanding how bread molds, or people catch their death of pneumonia, or wood rots, or other such destructive processes. You don’t want them, and the cure makes the knowledge moot anyhow. The cure was the sacrifice of Christ on that cross.


49 posted on 12/07/2013 12:52:32 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: BenLurkin

A Biblical perspective on so called UFO’s.The work of Jauques Vallee and J.Allen Hyneck,s work on this subject is covered.Long vid but informative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0gZMFD34Vc


50 posted on 12/07/2013 2:29:33 AM PST by hwkbeer
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