Skip to comments.When Will We Become Interstellar?
Posted on 12/26/2013 1:54:41 PM PST by BenLurkin
think it is possible for humans to become an interstellar race. I think its possible, but not within my lifetime, not the next hundred years without some really transformative technologies in between. The key one on the International Space Station right now were testing life support systems, and doing phenomenally well.
dont see us becoming that space-faring race, not within the next hundred years, not perhaps within the next thousand years. But again, these are timescales that I cant even fathom within my small existence. Were talking about a galaxy thats billions of years old were talking about missions that could conceivable take hundreds of years to get to the nearest group of stars. I think we need to start changing the way we think, and science fiction helps it helps with the warp drive and all that it kind of pushes us in ways that we wouldnt understand. But in realistic terms, at least a hundred years before that even becomes a possibility."
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Never. Not in our mortal bodies, anyway.
How about “never, or sooner than we think”?
Remember the Star Trek flip phones?
If you had one of those today, you’d be laughed at.
Possible but its a ways off.
I’d say we’re 200 years from being able to reach stars within 10 or 15 light years in a human lifespan. They’ll probably be unmanned probes to begin with.
At this rate, never:
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At the sound of the 7th Trump...
If a group of people ever do take off for the stars they sure will be committed to it.
We’re not going to become an interstellar race. Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, will be here first and set up his one-world government first.
OF COURSE ... Jesus himself is already interstellar as he created everything in the first place. At his Christmas season, it’s the time we remember who he is, and that he is coming back to set up his one-world government.
We must always remember who Jesus is, and that definitely relates to whether the human race will ever be interstellar.
Jesus is the ultimate God-Man and foremost interstellar traveler.
We know the real reason for Christmas and the Gospel Message that comes from it.
SO ... Merry Christmas to one and all ... including interstellar travelers ...
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly.
20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.
22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying:
23 Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel, which is translated, God with us.
24 Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife,
25 and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.
26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth,
27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgins name was Mary.
28 And having come in, the angel said to her, Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!
29 But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was.
30 Then the angel said to her, Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.
32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.
34 Then Mary said to the angel, How can this be, since I do not know a man?
35 And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David,;
5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child.
6 So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered.
7 And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
8 Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night.
9 And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid.
10 Then the angel said to them, Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people.
11 For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
12 And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger.
13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying:
14 Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!
15 So it was, when the angels had gone away from them into heaven, that the shepherds said to one another, Let us now go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has come to pass, which the Lord has made known to us.
16 And they came with haste and found Mary and Joseph, and the Babe lying in a manger.
17 Now when they had seen Him, they made widely known the saying which was told them concerning this Child.
18 And all those who heard it marveled at those things which were told them by the shepherds.
19 But Mary kept all these things and pondered them in her heart.
20 Then the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told them.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, This was He of whom I said, He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.
16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
One way trip — and it will be their distant descendants who make the arrival.
Hope they remember why their forebearers left in the first place.
Why don’t we just stay here on earth and let liberals go interstellar? You know, like attach Nancy Pelosi to a Voyager 3 and 36 years from now she will cross the heliopause and enter interstellar space and it will have a gold record on it for all the aliens to read that says “Do not return”.
After they’ve been out there 20 years or so a ship with newer technology will go whizzing by them.
In 1895 Lord Kelvin, the President of the Royal Society of England said that “Heavier than air flying machines are impossible.”
Just eight years later he was proven wrong. And before he died in 1907 aircraft had become quite popular.
That said, while we may not see interstellar travel in our lifetimes it would not surprise one bit to wake up tomorrow with the news of a breakthrough in technology and then, maybe five or ten years from now, someone will be mass producing interstellar spaceships and we’ll be colonizing distant planets.
For the record, whatever planet Sarah Palin moves to is where I want to go!
Arthur Clarke observed that humans are over optimstic in the short run (flying cars, etc,) and under optimistic in the long run. No one seeing a Model T when it first came off the line would have imagined living long enough to see people walking on the moon.
We will travel to the stars but I’ll be long gone to dust by then. But we’ll be there.
40 years in aerospace development and operations tell me that paper pushers would rather create empires to mask their incompetence, than make true progress, at an affordable price.
Unmanned exploration can be had at a tenth the cost of manned systems, in terms of time and money.
Glowbull Warming will kill all life first.
Certainly space travel was considered science fiction. Sending men to the moon in 1913 sounded about as implausible as sending men to a different galaxy today.
We are closer to interstellar travel then we think. Once we develop a drive system to get us there, most of the other necessary technologies have already been developed. Unless we find a way to break the light barrier however, these journeys will involve hundreds or even thousands of years, necessitating the ability to reproduce along the way. So women will need to be sent on these quests as well. It's possible that a man will take off from Earth and yet it will be his great-great-great-great-great grandson who actually concludes the mission and the original man will be long dead - his body being ejected into the vast blackness of space.
If I were to go back in time to Dec 26, 1913 — I’d stay there.
And that is probably the best argument that time travel is impossible. For if it was, we would already have been visited by travelers from the future.
We will become an interstellar race when they figure out FTL travel and a method to but something in orbit inexpensively and safely.
Still waiting for my flying car like on Back to the Future.
Not sure I'd want to go back that far, knowing that a Great Depression and two World Wars awaited me. However, I do have a fantasy of going back to around 1955 as a 20-year-old man - knowing what I know now.
I'd be 78 years old today but a mega-billionaire thanks to my prudent investments in companies such as Boeing, IBM, McDonalds, Microsoft and Apple, among others!
That argument certainly eliminates the possibility of traveling back in time. If traveling forward in time is possible we won’t hear about it until it’s invented. Even then only those who use the technology will know if it works.
But I think the time scale set by most people is science fiction.
I think it will take many thousands of years, perhaps ten thousand years, just for the first pioneers.
Plus, where are you going to go?
Proxima Centauri, our nearest star, is 4.24 light years away, and, today, we have no reason to believe there are any planets in that system that can reasonably house or support human life.
Even our own star system has limited possibilities.
The Earth, the Moon, Mars, maybe some asteroids.
I'm not sure it's even possible to construct or anchor a human shelter on, or inside, a asteroid because of ultra low gravity.
The main issue after we solve interstellar travel is, “Where do you live?”
If you have to spend your entire life living inside a cave, I don't think space travel will catch on with the masses.
I'm also skeptical about the financial reality of mining in space.
I think if we committed $1 trillion to R&D in materials science instead of space of travel, we could probably become modern day alchemists and literally construct the minerals that have great value.
I’m a long term yes but that’s discounting great leaps in technology which are also possible.
There is a lot of promising research going on as well. The VASIMR engine is logging a lot of working test hours. There is a solar sail in production with plans to launch in a few years. The Orion project is technically possible but expensive and the political implications of launching thousands of nuclear bombs into is obvious. Even the Alcubierre warp is being tested with what scientists are calling promising results (currently warping space by nanometers)
A week from Monday.
Do I win a prize?
We can do it within a thousand years if we stop allowing leftists to take power around the world.
It really helps to contemplate space travel from two points of view, that of space, and that of time.
Let’s start off with a short trip to our nearest star neighbor, around 4 light years away. That is, if you were traveling at the speed of light, a one way trip would take you four years. The speed of light is 670,616,629 mph.
If you were traveling at twice the speed of light, 2 years. Four times the speed of light, 1 year. Eight times the speed of light, six months. That would be 5,364,933,032 mph. Or 5.3 billion miles per hour.
Mind you, there is almost no chance of a planet capable of sustaining life within 100 light years.
Now let’s look at time.
The age of the universe is about 13.8 billion years. Earth has only been habitable for about 3.6 billion years. Of that time, it has had what passes for intelligent life for perhaps 100,000 years. And what we define as human intelligence for maybe 5,000 year. Having technology advanced enough to consider space travel less than a hundred years.
But planet Earth has “hit the reset button” several times, starting mostly from scratch. But this doesn’t mean that other habitable worlds have.
If you are generous, you might estimate the lifespan of an intelligent species as being anywhere from 500,000 to a million years.
If so, there could reasonably have been 12,000 cycles of intelligent species coming and going in the universe, with our current cycle just one of them. Vast cosmic empires might have existed and disappeared.
But at least judging from our galaxy, “natural disasters” like a supernova, can sterilize an entire sector of space, so unless its inhabitants had warning and faster than light travel, they would be just gone. And as fast as their home worlds would reboot, not a trace would be left behind.
Where we would go is a question but we wouldn't have to tie ourselves to the idea of inhabiting a solar system. If we could find and utilize materials from space we could build our own worlds independent of those 'unstable' star systems.
I remember my first cell phone. It was one of those flip phones. It had voice-activated calling.
I couldn't resist having the voice command to call home be "Enterprise".
Keep imagining! Going to any stellar system, except the very closest, will take much longer than any human lifetime. Not many people would volunteer to go, knowing that they will die on the way and be ejected into space, and that their offspring will wind up the same way, and that 10 generations down the road a distant descendant will set foot on a distant planet.
And forget about warp drives or wormholes. They’re for science fiction writers or scientists who need more grant money.
The Liberals will fight Interstellar travel with all their might. Why? Here are just a few reasons:
1. Its too good an escape route from their policies
2. Liberals loathe frontiers of any kind
3. It will diminish the amount of wealth that can be redistributed.
4. Space colonization means JOBS, which will ultimately diminish the size of the welfare state
5. It supports the Military-Industrial complex
You are correct sir. It is not going to happen in our present bodies. People just do not have an appreciation for the vast distances of space.
I’ll be interstellar when I get my resurrection body.
And they watch too much fictional television.
And lets not forget “WE GOTTA FIX EARTH FIRST MAN!”
Before 1935, all the front-line fighters in US inventory were biplanes. Just ten years later, we had gone to jet fighters.
great science fiction book about going back to the 50s, knowing what we know about what is to come, it’s called : Replay, written by Ken Grimwood. The guy keeps going back, living a life, dying, then ends up in his college dorm room again, through countless lives... the first thing he does in each new life, is build his fortune by betting on the World Series, the Kentucky Derby, Sony stock, etc...very cool story, and extremely hard to put down.
When the saved of earth are at the feet of Jesus Christ, then we will be interstellar, not before. God will not permit sinful man to spread sin beyond this solar system.
Sometimes technologies are so disruptive that they just collapse time and distance. Railroads back in the 19th century were one. In the eastern USA canals were built in the 1820’s. This technology is roughly 5000 years old. Railroads were built starting in the 1830’s. They were a 5000 year leap forward, collapsing the time it took to get between places.
Roughly the same thing is going on today with computers only in reverse. They are collapsing distance by collapsing the time it takes to work through the issues of space travel. The faster computers go — the sooner will come intersteller travel.
We live in a moment of time during which computers are one speed. 10 years ago computers were much slower—so intersteller travel was much further in the future. 10 years from now computers will be much faster so intersteller travel will come much sooner.
I look to the Kurizwell’s inflection point in +-2039. He figures computers will become sentient at that point.
I don’t know that that will happen. But its likely that technology will move to the point where all the ingredients will be in place for large scale off world migrations. Certainly anyone paying attention today knows that by then 3d printing and advanced robotics will make offworld mining and manufacture quite do able. Thorium, h3 and water on the moon and mars will enable stable plentiful power sources.
My WAG is that large offworld migrations begin about 2050-60.
That’s breakout into the solar system.
Gene Rodenberry’s Star Trek—which came out in 1969— took place mostly between 2250 and 2290. That’s roughly the same distance in the future as the French and Indian wars of 1750 and the american constitution’s creation in 1790 are in the past. That puts already mature interstellar travel 250 years in the future.
A more primitive form of interstellar travel is shown in the 2009 movie Avatar. This movie is set roughly 150 years from now in the mid 22nd century.
It has been roughly 500 years since Columbus sailed across the atlantic.
Our age today is very like that one.
Somethings we can predict but not do at the time but when the technology catches up the advances happen with amazing speed.
A lot of our stealth tech was well understood and in many cases tested back in the 50s. It was computers with processing power to make the constant adjustments that made those planes into stable flight platforms. Now things look like science fiction compared to when we saw the first stealth fighters.
Oh no! I think you just opened the door to the time traveler posters ... :-) ...
I expect DNA to be used in computing within 5 years. That should be a game changer. I post a lot of tech stories here, even though I am anything but a techie and most of it just amazes me.
If faster than light travel is possible we will figure it out and use it. If it’s not we are unlikely to ever bother with manned travel outside our solar system.
And that’s about the size of it!
The era when armed guys could drive around the southwest in a Stutz Bearcat, make a profit, and deal with a few anachronisms. Sign me up!
I have the DVD set as well.
Thank you so very much for honoring me with what you wrote! Most illuminating!
Looks like the same type James Garner rode around on in the short lived but pretty good pre-Rockford series called Nichols. The DVD copy looks pretty good.
A piece from youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnAjCWSuQ74
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