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The light bulb ban provides a useful window into the mindset of liberals:
No Pasaran ^ | 01/01/2014 | No Pasaran

Posted on 01/03/2014 6:49:32 AM PST by Rusty0604

Regardless of party affiliations, true conservatives have made the old fashioned light bulb—an unassuming household item—into a symbol for something much larger. But what, exactly? At the risk of sounding melodramatic, it has become symbolic of the fight between liberty and tyranny.

The light bulb ban provides a useful window into the mindset of liberals. Here’s how they see the issue: energy-saving bulbs are better, therefore the others should be illegal. The pattern repeats itself in nearly every other realm: they determine the best policy, then impose it in a top down manner with no regard for states, localities, or individuals. Arguing with them about choice is futile because they cannot fathom the idea that the debate has nothing to do with which bulb is better, but rather who gets to decide.

Why can’t the government do that? The answer is simple: because Americans might choose the wrong one!

Liberals’ famous reverence for choice arose only because they couldn’t bring themselves to utter the word ”abortion” in a debate that is clearly about that very thing. Consequently, the word “choice” has been used so frequently in reference to the gruesome procedure that it is now universally understood to mean abortion. When a reporter asks a politician where he stands on the issue of “choice” people understand without any further context what the reporter means. (Hint: not light bulbs.)

I’m pro-choice too; pro-light bulb choice, that is

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: carbonfootprint; envirowhackos; greenjobs; liberalfascism; lightbulbs
rest of title: the debate has nothing to do with which bulb is better, but rather who gets to decide
1 posted on 01/03/2014 6:49:32 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

2 posted on 01/03/2014 6:52:26 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Rusty0604

Anyone have any liberal acquaintances or family members that deny that such a ban exists?

I find it “illuminating” that they deny such a thing,
because it shows that they don’t believe that government
would overstep to that extent.

It’s an opening - drive the point home.
Should the government decide what light bulbs you can use and why?


3 posted on 01/03/2014 6:54:30 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Rusty0604

It just came to me: “Trickle Down Tyranny”

We need to mock them ceaselessly-—and never buy in to their ridiculous bulls**t.


4 posted on 01/03/2014 6:55:11 AM PST by TrueFact
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To: Straight Vermonter
That simple picture pretty well sums up the parochial, self-centered liberal viewpoint. They are all for choice and diversity, as long as your diversity and choices align with theirs. ;-/ The moment they are confronted with conflicting views, beliefs, or someone that just plain old wants to go their own way... So-called "liberals" turn into the biggest fascists you've ever seen. They'll demand power and control to enforce their "enlightened" viewpoint on everyone else. Hey libs, how would you like it if I forced my views on you? Not much? Then sit down and STFU. Seriously. Liberals would be wildly funny if they weren't so serious about it and if they once in a while recognized the wild hypocrisy of their world-view.
5 posted on 01/03/2014 6:59:50 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Rusty0604

13% of power plant usage is for lighting.

Conventional incandescent bulbs produce 10% light, 90% heat.

The government gets involved in requests for new power plants and their associated infrastructure (power lines, etc.). The government also gets pushed to create a wise energy policy (allow drilling, fracking, pipelines, etc.). So, yes, the government mandated more efficient light bulbs.

I’m not a big fan of CFLs - we have a few in the house. However, I love LEDs. As quickly as they develop LEDs which fit in our budget, we replace our conventional bulbs.

I’m not a big fan of our local power company. Why give them more business than I have to?


6 posted on 01/03/2014 7:06:08 AM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: Rusty0604

Except that this was the work of REPUBLICAN Fred Upton and REPUBLICAN George W. Bush (follow the CFL lobbying money...)


7 posted on 01/03/2014 7:08:44 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

BINGO! We Have a Winner!


8 posted on 01/03/2014 7:13:06 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Rusty0604; Kaslin; Jim Robinson; TheOldLady; laplata; All

LED bulbs contain Arsenic, and fluorescent bulbs generate Ultraviolet light.

Arsenic in landfills yields arsenic in groundwater plus skin cancer from fluorescent lights - - - hmmmmm? Forward!

Looks like Obama Socialized Health Insurance Tax (OSHIT) has arrived just in time to “fix” the planned poisoning by the Liberal Lightbulb Law (LLL)! Forward!

The Obamacrats have thus discovered even more unintended Scientific consequences in their Utopian Obamanation! Forward!

FORWARD! FORWARD! FORWARD!

( Obamacrat John “Benghazi Coverup” Boehner must so proud - - - . )


9 posted on 01/03/2014 7:13:13 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

If you live in an all-electric house, those incandescent bulbs are helping to keep your house warmer in the winter. There’s little or no advantage to using CFL or LED bulbs, at least during the colder times of the year.


10 posted on 01/03/2014 7:15:24 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

If a politician writes a Bill like a Liberal, and votes like a Liberal, and celebrates the signing of a Liberal Bill into a Federal Law like a Liberal, then that politician is a Liberal, even if the last name is Dole, McCain, Romney, Bush, Upton, McConnell, Boehner; Cantor, or Ryan.

“Judge politicians by what they do, and not by what they say.”


11 posted on 01/03/2014 7:24:44 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Rusty0604

Bottom line is, they don’t believe in the free market or freedom of choice generally (see Obamacare).

So even when they happen to stumble upon a good idea, they ruin it by making it mandated by the federal government.

Just yesterday here in Minnesota, a democrat state legislator introduced a bill to make the app that allows you to track down your missing cellphone MANDATORY. You and I would say, let the manufacturers treat it as a feature to attract buyers to their product versus another one, but they see themselves as the arbiter of what you need and so you don’t get a choice (even if it raises the price of the item).


12 posted on 01/03/2014 7:34:01 AM PST by MNnice
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To: smokingfrog

I live in the upper midwest. Our high on Monday is predicted to be -15 degrees. My highest heating bill in the past 8 years has been $163. My highest electric bill during air conditioning weather, has been $249. Heating the house by light bulbs isn’t very efficient, and it’s expensive to pay for the A/C to offset their heat during the summer. So, again, I’ll buy LED bulbs.


13 posted on 01/03/2014 7:38:16 AM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

I’m all for saving money, just not the government mandating what kind of bulbs I can or can’t buy. For certain applications, I would prefer to purchase a 100 watt to 150 watt bulb - like the lamp next to my bed or sofa, where I might be reading. It’s not going to be left on for long periods of time, so the extra energy usage is negligible.


14 posted on 01/03/2014 7:45:34 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: MNnice

Another insane proposal. People are just too stupid to decide for themselves if they want to purchase an app?


15 posted on 01/03/2014 7:54:12 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: ConstantSkeptic
It's your choice...that's the point. I will use my 100-watters as long as I can. To do my part for conservation, I walk around the house with a flashlight and never have more than one bulb on at a time. That's my choice.

PS....are you one of those people with light bulbs that save the planet and a huge TV screen for your viewing pleasure?

16 posted on 01/03/2014 7:55:26 AM PST by grania
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To: ConstantSkeptic

It’s about the freedom to choose, not whether one form of lighting is more efficient or not.


17 posted on 01/03/2014 7:58:55 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: MNnice
Just yesterday here in Minnesota, a democrat state legislator introduced a bill to make the app that allows you to track down your missing cellphone MANDATORY.

The Minnesota legislature isn't in session yet.

18 posted on 01/03/2014 8:01:37 AM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: TrueFact

Lest we forget. A Republican proposed the ban and George W. Bush signed it!


19 posted on 01/03/2014 8:21:19 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Rusty0604

I find it hard to believe that FedGov would regulate something as absurd as what kind of light bulb we can use. That’s as absurd as if they regulated how much water a toilet can flush or how big a soft drink we could buy. No one really wants that much government in their lives, do they?


20 posted on 01/03/2014 8:29:24 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Rusty0604
Here are two graphs, one from The Livermore Labs on energy use and consumption in the USA, and the one below it, which I have adapted to show how much individual light bulb savings contribute:

This is the original one:

This one shows (using their data) how much energy is "saved" by putting individual homeowners through this crap:

21 posted on 01/03/2014 9:06:10 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

True dat. < |:(~


22 posted on 01/03/2014 9:06:26 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: smokingfrog

True, and often forgotten.

And of course it works in reverse, too. When you are cooling your home the AC runs longer to remove the heat added by incandescent lights. (As it does the waste heat produced by all electric devices.)


23 posted on 01/03/2014 9:09:18 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: ConstantSkeptic
Heating the house by light bulbs isn’t very efficient, and it’s expensive to pay for the A/C to offset their heat during the summer.

The comparative advantage varies with source of your heat.

If you heat with electric resistance, then the waste heat from light bulbs is exactly as efficient as that from your heaters. Just about any other source of heat is more efficient, though.

24 posted on 01/03/2014 9:11:26 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Rusty0604

The sheep don’t know anything anyway. Over the last couple years when I was buying up my lifetime supply of incandescent bulbs I always asked the clerk checking out my order, “Do you know that these bulbs will not be available at the end of the year?” The answer was always a blank stare. This was not just a couple clerks, it was maybe 20. They know nothing and don’t care to know anything about the world going on around them. Their progressive teachers have taught them well.

I think that they are typical no-nothings who, if they get any news at all, they get it from the network evening newscasts.


25 posted on 01/03/2014 9:15:33 AM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: Rusty0604

It should be noted that this is simply an extension of the process whereby the government mandated certain mileage requirements for vehicles.

As with the mileage, the regulations do not specify the technology to be used, only the energy use per lumen minimum that must be met.


26 posted on 01/03/2014 9:19:41 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Unless you live in Florida or California, I hope your electric heat is from a heat pump, not a resistor. Converting electricity directly to heat is expensive.


27 posted on 01/03/2014 9:39:44 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Sherman Logan

I think you can still buy halogen bulbs. Of course they cost about 5X as much.


28 posted on 01/03/2014 9:43:12 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: dangerdoc

There are, or used to be, exceptions in the NW, where electricity was really cheap. Just about all homes in FL, and I would assume in CA, are heat pumps, possibly with backup resister strips.

When I lived in CO a couple decades ago, a LOT of condos were baseboard resistance heat.


29 posted on 01/03/2014 9:43:59 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Rusty0604

I don’t think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I’m right. trying to save money, yes.

I don’t think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I’m right. That is my new tagline.


30 posted on 01/03/2014 9:45:11 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: Rusty0604

Ignore the last post, not sure what happened.


31 posted on 01/03/2014 9:46:27 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: grania
To do my part for conservation, I walk around the house with a flashlight and never have more than one bulb on at a time. That's my choice.

Choice ONLY counts when it is to kill your preborn children. In all other cases, Nanny State knows best.

32 posted on 01/03/2014 10:20:17 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

I appreciate your willingness to choose LED bulbs, they sound good.

I don’t much appreciate having Government, that can’t handle the logistics of plowing the snow out of the streets, telling me I need to use LED bulbs.

Who gets to choose?


33 posted on 01/03/2014 10:30:17 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: ConstantSkeptic

“I’m not a big fan of our local power company. Why give them more business than I have to?”

The states are freaking out about lost revenue due to more fuel efficient cars and are raising gas taxes.

The power companies will do the same. Be careful what you wish for.


34 posted on 01/03/2014 10:46:17 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE ("If guns cause crime, there must be something wrong with mine." -Ted Nugent)
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To: grania
PS....are you one of those people with light bulbs that save the planet and a huge TV screen for your viewing pleasure?

We have two TVs in our house - a 28" LCD by the computer, and a 32" LCD in the living room. Not exactly huge.

35 posted on 01/03/2014 11:08:44 AM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: Pollster1

I curse Al Gore every time I flush my toilet.


36 posted on 01/03/2014 11:51:33 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: READINABLUESTATE

And they are proposing tracking devices on cars so they can charge you for how many miles driven.


37 posted on 01/03/2014 11:54:34 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Cyber Liberty

Exactly. Who gets to choose.

If the consideration were only the cost of the electricity vs the price of the new bulbs, we wouldn’t switch until the new bulbs were a LOT more competitive.

Of course, the real “problem” is that the government doesn’t want new electric power plants built, and wants us to use actually LESS electric power, because they’re taking 10% of the generating capacity offline.


38 posted on 01/03/2014 11:58:11 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Yes, W and his brother Jeb both drink the green energy koolaid. Most conservatives forget that the ethanol program began under Bush. One of the dumbest government programs ever.


39 posted on 01/03/2014 3:04:22 PM PST by Oldhunk
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To: Jimmy Valentine

I did forget—thanks for reminding me. We lost our way a long time ago, actually. By my reckoning it was about in the 1890s when certain “progressives” became enamored with European socialism. It is a slow erosive progression.


40 posted on 01/03/2014 5:33:15 PM PST by TrueFact
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