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The SEC's Reign Of Dominance Is Far From Over
http://www.forbes.com ^ | January 7, 2014 | Chris Smith

Posted on 01/07/2014 2:29:52 PM PST by NKP_Vet

Many college football fans are thrilled that Florida State overcame an 18-point deficit to defeat Auburn in the last ever BCS National Championship. Much of that elation has little to do with Florida State itself. Rather, fans are just excited to see the SEC lose a title game.

An SEC team had won the seven previous championship games, a streak that confirmed the conference’s status as ruler of the keep. Yet on Monday night, the much-hated SEC finally lost a title shot. It took eight years, but a knight clad in garnet-and-gold slayed the dragon.

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1 posted on 01/07/2014 2:29:52 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

It’s kind of sad the referees tainted the outcome by getting involved. FSU might have won anyway. Good job by FSU coming back, but I still think Auburn is better.


2 posted on 01/07/2014 2:33:29 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: NKP_Vet

I remember back in the late 50s and early 60s, Florida would put up FSU for SEC membership every year. Then the SEC would vote not to accept them.

I bet if they had, FSU would still be an SEC member.


3 posted on 01/07/2014 2:39:33 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: nickcarraway
It’s kind of sad the referees tainted the outcome by getting involved.

WTH are you talking about????

4 posted on 01/07/2014 2:45:30 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: NKP_Vet

If Washington State hadn’t suffered a last-minute meltdown, the Pac-12 would have been 7-2 in its bowl games. Next year, the Pac-12 could have as many as six teams in the top 25: Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, Arizona State, USC, and Washington. And that doesn’t even include Oregon State and Arizona, both of which won bowl games.


5 posted on 01/07/2014 3:11:40 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: C. Edmund Wright; nickcarraway

“WTH are you talking about????”

I think he means the second-to-last touchdown by FSU on the short slant play in the end zone with the phantom pass interference penalty.

Beyond that, I saw a few ref calls against Auburn that were non-existent but do not remember them specifically. I would have to see the entire replay to augment my comment.


6 posted on 01/07/2014 3:12:36 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (What we need is to sucker the fedthugs into a "Tiananmen Square"-like incident on the National Mall!)
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To: nickcarraway

“but I still think Auburn is better.”

If they were better they would have won. And if that’s the case then I think Ohio State is better than Michigan State and Clemson.


7 posted on 01/07/2014 3:16:52 PM PST by oust the louse (The Democratic Party might as well be called the Death Party. Abortion & ObamaCare/death panels.)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
the second-to-last touchdown by FSU on the short slant play in the end zone with the phantom pass interference penalty.

Wasn't the second to last touchdown by FSU the 100 yard+ kick off return? Either way, that pass interference play in the end zone was hardly phantom. The Auburn guy was all over him the entire play.

8 posted on 01/07/2014 3:19:46 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: NKP_Vet

FSU lost the first BCS game to a SEC team, Tennessee. The BCS died with FSU playing and beating a SEC team, Auburn. I saw the final top ten and South Carolina was rated fourth. WTH? South Carolina lost to a Tennessee team that didn’t even get to play in a bowl and still ranked fourth in the polls?


9 posted on 01/07/2014 3:24:47 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: oust the louse

FSU won because they had the ball last. Statistically Auburn dominated the game. Mason alone shredded the FSU defense for almost 200 yards rushing.


10 posted on 01/07/2014 3:25:17 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Rather than love, than money, than fame, then give truth" ~ Henry David Thoreau)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

The Big 10 refs let the Auburn defenders mug the FSU receivers most of the night… missed a facemask on Winston and the Auburn player spiked the ball after their past score (unsportmanlike?) then after missing a horse collar and face mask on the SAME PLAY, they finally decided the toss a flag on the last mugging in the end zone with seconds left. With the final fortuitous results… Go Noles!!!


11 posted on 01/07/2014 3:32:36 PM PST by FiddlePig
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

There were at least two blatant facemasks on Auburn that the refs “missed” and at least one horse collar.


12 posted on 01/07/2014 3:32:53 PM PST by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

IIRC, FSU’s Winston was on the receiving end of both a Horsecollar and Facemask in one play on the final drive. No penalty. There was another missed horsecollar on a receiver running down the right sideline. The announcers commented on that one.

For the most part the refs seemed to be intent on “letting them play”. Auburn did get called on a blatant pass interference in the end zone. Than may be the penalty in question.


13 posted on 01/07/2014 3:37:35 PM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: nickcarraway

Barners just can’t help themselves. They will whine for all eternity over a missed call, even if it was the correct one, with no mention of the much more numerous ones that went their way. And that’s when they WIN the game. They are even worse when they lose.


14 posted on 01/07/2014 4:03:42 PM PST by yawningotter
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To: yawningotter
You've described an Alabama fan exactly.

1941? Chuckle.

15 posted on 01/07/2014 4:11:01 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: NKP_Vet

An Auburn player made one huge mistake on FSU’s next to last play of the game and allowed them to score. However, FSU, as much as I hate to admit it, got themselves in a position to win. Auburn didn’t show up the second half and FSU did. They came back just like A&M came back against Duke.

I say the same thing about Auburn beating Alabama. It may have been a “fluke” return for a touchdown, but Auburn was in a place for that “fluke” to decide the game. Saban knew that if it went into O/T they were done with so he went for a long FG try just hoping Alabama would get lucky. The luck went the other way.


16 posted on 01/07/2014 5:38:37 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

That’s absurd….first of all, the pass interference was on the last touchdown, not the second to the last, and it was clearly a blatant pass interference call….

You’re not even the poster who first mentioned this, but you’re both flat wrong.


17 posted on 01/07/2014 5:40:59 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: VerySadAmerican

I think your analysis is a tad flawed. There was no “mistake” per se on the next to the last play of the game…the FSU receivers are simply superior to the Auburn secondary, and it finally started to manifest….altho that secondary was outstanding most of the game. As for the kick return, the dude is the fastest player in all of college football….it was hardly a fluke….kick returns are not common on kick offs, but they are hardly flukes.

Returns of field goals, on the other hand…..


18 posted on 01/07/2014 5:43:09 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: BwanaNdege

That last pass interference was classic pass interference….no way not to call that one. As for the horse collar miss on the long pass play…that was inexcusable….FSU had no such blown call in their favor all night.

The officiating was not a factor in the outcome.


19 posted on 01/07/2014 5:44:39 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: NKP_Vet

Statistically, the game was only slightly in favor of Auburn. Factor in a 100 yard kick off return, and the stats favor FSU.


20 posted on 01/07/2014 5:45:28 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: vetvetdoug

What’s your point? SC beat Missouri, beat Clemson, beat Central Florida, beat NC, beat Vandy, …..all teams who WON BOWL GAMES……to pull one result out like that is just absurd.


21 posted on 01/07/2014 5:46:51 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Steve_Seattle

PAC 12 will be very good next season, and if Mariotta returns, as he says he will, Oregon will be Title contender.


22 posted on 01/07/2014 5:47:33 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Mase

Phantom as in, Don’t penalize my team, they didn’t do nothing wrong, phantom.


23 posted on 01/07/2014 5:57:13 PM PST by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: NKP_Vet

The only stat that matters is 34-31.

Maybe Mason needed 300 yards for Auburn to have had a chance.

BTW, FSU dominated the second half. Maybe Auburn should have foregone the championship speech writing at halftime and instead concentrated on trying to win the game.


24 posted on 01/07/2014 6:04:16 PM PST by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Delta Dawn

“Maybe Mason needed 300 yards for Auburn to have had a chance”

You are joking right? Number one Auburn was not the best team in the SEC, Alabama was. Alabama led the country in least points allowed until the Auburn game. They had 3 shutouts this year, with one of being against a high scoring team in Ole Miss. They shut out Ole Miss at Ole Miss. No other team did that this year. Alabama, although giving up a ton of yards to Auburn in the Iron still lost the game on a fluke play you see once in 50 years. Then against Oklahoma they had over 500 total offense, but pissed the game away with five uncharacteristic turnovers. I personally think their heart was never in the bowl game. They were also ranked #1 to start the year and remained #1 the entire year until the Auburn loss. Auburn on the the hand won half their games by less than a TD, with it taking a miracle fluke play to beat both Alabama and Georgia. FSU, with the exception of Clemson, beat no one of note the entire year. It does not impress me when a team runs up the score on not more than high schools in the ACC.

So what does all this blabbling about from me mean in the big picture? Well if Auburn could run at will against FSU and basically lead them the entire game, and if not for a fake punt at the end of the first half, and the score probably being 28-3 instead of 21-10, Auburn would have probably won the game going away because FSU would have been demoralized trailing 28-3. Instead FSU runs the fake punt and gets right back in the game.

Yes FSU won the game, but no way in hell were they better than Auburn, who had close game after close game in the SEC. I think if FSU were in the SEC they would have lost 4 games. You might think I’m crazy, but that’s how I see it.
SEC is still the top football conference in the country and will be for years to come. Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M and Missouri could have very easily beat them if they were in the SEC.


25 posted on 01/07/2014 7:07:36 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Rather than love, than money, than fame, then give truth" ~ Henry David Thoreau)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The Auburn player was on the FSU player’s back. From what I saw the ball was about 6 feet in front of him. I don’t think the interference stopped him from making the catch. With that said, FSU still would have had another shot. Like I said, FSU showed up in the second half and Auburn didn’t. They deserve credit. They won it all.

I don’t understand how it’s a fluke to return a missed field goal but not a fluke to return a kick off. The kickoff was 3 feet into the end zone. The field goal try was 9 feet into the end zone. Either they’re both flukes or they’re not.

Also, the Auburn player had a camera stuck in his face as soon as he crossed the goal line. He immediately said that Malzahn told him to be ready to run it back.


26 posted on 01/07/2014 8:30:04 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“That’s absurd….first of all, the pass interference was on the last touchdown.”

You should watch the replay. There was no interference call on the last touchdown. ;-)


27 posted on 01/07/2014 9:14:54 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (What we need is to sucker the fedthugs into a "Tiananmen Square"-like incident on the National Mall!)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

The interference was on the drive of the last touchdown….two plays before.

And it was a good call. ON the play itself, which was a catch, no interference indeed.


28 posted on 01/08/2014 3:48:02 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: VerySadAmerican

You don’t understand what the Auburn player’s off hand was doing…it was around the FSU players waste, the defenders left hand, not allowing him to make his cut. It was not the right hand over the top that was the call. There is language in the rule specifically for this off hand. Defenders sometimes get away with it, but it is interference.

Nobody except FR is questioning this call….for the most part.


29 posted on 01/08/2014 3:50:30 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: NKP_Vet

Denial is not a river in Egypt.


30 posted on 01/08/2014 4:18:22 AM PST by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Which conference Reigns in GPA non- “studies.”?


31 posted on 01/08/2014 4:21:03 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: All

I predict that now that we have a playoff starting in 2015, the SEC will have their football championships at a much lower rate.

To counter this, the SEC will institute a new rule on the BCS, enforcing the 3 our out of 4 playoff teams must, by rule, be SEC teams.

If this doesn’t pass the SEC will further lower academic standards.


32 posted on 01/08/2014 4:25:11 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
...with the phantom pass interference penalty.

Exactly!

33 posted on 01/08/2014 5:41:48 AM PST by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: VerySadAmerican
Saban knew that if it went into O/T they were done with

I would dispute that, but we'll never know. Anyway, Auburn won, congratulations to them. They deserved it, because they never should have been in a position where luck became the deciding factor. They were though, and luck is a legitimate winning factor.

However, as I told my Auburn friends after both Georgia and Alabama had fallen, you can't depend on luck all the time. Sometimes you have to be good. In the FSU game, Auburn was good. But the luck had turned, and they weren't good enough.

I was pulling for Auburn, sorta, because while I am not an SEC fan, per se, hey, what the hell. More because I am a (state of) Alabama fan..

But I'm glad now that they lost. Why, you ask? Because it has shut them up about the Alabama game. When they bring it up, we bring up the bowl game. Very effective, really.

ROLL TIDE, ROLL!!!

34 posted on 01/08/2014 6:36:53 AM PST by chesley
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To: chesley

I’m a huge SEC fan and naturally wanted Auburn to win. Like many others, I was getting kinda’ sick of Saban. But if Alabama had been playing FSU I would have rooted for them.

If Auburn bring up their “magic punt return” and you point out the bowl game, you KNOW they’ll just say “Oklahoma! Oklahoma! Oklahoma!”

On another note, Manzeil is going pro. That sucks! I hope Sumlin can prove the Aggies’ luck wasn’t all on Johnny Football. By the way, I always hated the Aggies until they got into the SEC.


35 posted on 01/08/2014 1:16:29 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’m not really saying it was a bad call. I just thought the receiver probably wouldn’t have caught it anyway. But if the defender’s left hand was holding him then that explains why the throw was so far in front of the receiver. And Auburn definitely got away with a horse collar that would have had the same effect.

They came to play. And they almost pulled it off. But “almost” never counts. And nobody ever remembers who came in second.


36 posted on 01/08/2014 1:20:27 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican

Don’t care if they do. And they haven’t. Our seasonnended with auburn. We haven’t won since. Oklahoma was a meaningless game to us, as shown by the performance of the team.

Don’t get me wrong. Oklahoma came to play, and they deserved to win. they’re a great ball club, and quite possibly could have beaten Bama if the Tide had brought their A-game, but they didn’t. 1 interception, 3 fumbles, I forget how many sacks. that’s not regular Bama play.

But the championship was an important game tht meant something. And it was their last game of the year. It’s always bad to go out a loser. Just ask me, I can tell you.

anyway, I can’t speak for the Auburn fans elsewhere, but around my place of business, they’re being rather quiet, and I like it like that.

As for being a SEC fan, if that’s your thing, go for it. I’m a Bama fan, pure and simple. I root for the SEC only insofar as it helps BAMA, hurts Notre Dame, or at least doesn’t interfere with Bama.


37 posted on 01/08/2014 1:39:32 PM PST by chesley
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To: VerySadAmerican

Yep, the left hand was holding him, impeding his progress, and that was why it was called. Nothing the defender did with his torso or right arm/hand was a foul.


38 posted on 01/08/2014 2:06:36 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: chesley

I know all about being a loser. I’m an Arkansas and Tennessee fan. I’m convinced Arkansas hired the wrong guy. And Tennessee got their fourth choice. I’m not sure I’ll ever get be excited about either in my lifetime.


39 posted on 01/08/2014 2:13:47 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican

While not a SEC fan in particular, I’m glad when they win, of course, I was very much a Tennessee fan, considering them a much greater opponent than Auburn. A lot of Bama fans from my generation felt that way.

And then along comes Phil Fulmer. Rats.


40 posted on 01/09/2014 5:39:21 AM PST by chesley
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