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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD, VOLUME 2 JANUARY 10, 2014
Free Republic | Jan 10, 2014 | greeneyes

Posted on 01/10/2014 12:20:06 PM PST by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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Happy Temps of 45F today in Missouri. However we have grey skys and rain. No school again today as the back roads still have deep snow and are slick.

The rain should help to melt everything. Not much doing with the gardening, since my Grand Daughter came back for another couple of days visit before going back to college. We have focused on cooking and watching the food network programs.

Hope everyone is doing great and enjoying the planning for spring. Have a great weekend, and God Bless.

1 posted on 01/10/2014 12:20:06 PM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the List.


2 posted on 01/10/2014 12:23:16 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

My peat pots arrived! (I don’t know if I mentioned that in last week’s thread). I’m excited! This makes me think that spring may actually arrive this year. :)


3 posted on 01/10/2014 12:27:15 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes
When do you start your garden seeds ?
We have about a day's prep to get our little green house/hot house ready to go.
4 posted on 01/10/2014 12:27:33 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: greeneyes

I plan to have my garden soil tested next week, Prepping for spring. Highs will be in the mid 50s to low 60s next week.


5 posted on 01/10/2014 12:32:20 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: greeneyes

Lovely surprise today (amid downpours & cold temps) .... my mom got an Amaryllis bulb at a party before Christmas. I helped her plant it in the enclosed pot and it’s been sitting in the back room (southern exposure). She brought it to me last week and it had a nice green shoot. Today, she pointed it out and it has two red blooms and two more buds! Wow, did it take off fast once it started growing! It’s a cheery reminder on the window sill that winter won’t last forever.


6 posted on 01/10/2014 12:34:05 PM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Mid April for me. I don’t like to transplant until the latter part of May. I don’t like cook damp weather. Plus I have stuff that I planted in the previous fall that I use during the rainy spring season.

Like lettuce, carrots, garlic, winter wheat. While I have tried various seeds to start and transplant, tomatoes are the ones that I feel the success was sufficient to reward the effort.

I plant directly for most things. I do plant potatoes in April and early May.


7 posted on 01/10/2014 12:36:44 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

I have a bunch of newspaper pots made, but need to make a few more.


8 posted on 01/10/2014 12:37:23 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Good to hear from you RD. Have you started any seeds yet, or is it too early?


9 posted on 01/10/2014 12:38:52 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: MissMagnolia

Love the stuff that blooms in winter. We have a Christmas Cactus that has nice red blooms sitting in a window with SW exposure.


10 posted on 01/10/2014 12:40:21 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Have not started seeds yet its a little early here for that.


11 posted on 01/10/2014 12:40:56 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: greeneyes

Can you please add me to your ping list?


12 posted on 01/10/2014 12:50:12 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Oh well, you’ve got such nice temps today.


13 posted on 01/10/2014 12:53:16 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: ExpatGator

Will Do.


14 posted on 01/10/2014 12:53:51 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Yep, Low 60s today through Tuesday.


15 posted on 01/10/2014 12:57:29 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: greeneyes

We don’t subscribe to any newspapers, and I’m lazy. That’s why I opted for the peat pots. :)


16 posted on 01/10/2014 1:00:15 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

When is your last frost date? Ours is the very end of May here in Massachusetts.


17 posted on 01/10/2014 1:01:20 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

LOL. We don’t subscribe any more either, but we have plenty of leftovers, and we do buy and occasional St Louis paper from the news stand. It doesn’t take too many.

Hubby makes most of them, me being the lazy one.


18 posted on 01/10/2014 1:07:24 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

God bless him. :)


19 posted on 01/10/2014 1:13:45 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

He’s a keeper for sure.LOL


20 posted on 01/10/2014 1:22:00 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

We have grey skies in the central Hill Country also, but still no rain. It feels like a light drizzle/heavy mist outside at the moment. The rest of the week is supposed to be warm with boringly blue skies.


21 posted on 01/10/2014 1:26:57 PM PST by Sarajevo (Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world)
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To: greeneyes

I am going over my seed supplies, planning what I need to reorder. I keep a supply for a few years, rotating the seeds as they are used.

I have my graph paper out, plotting our garden areas down to the inch. Anal-retentive? Maybe. I get a lot out of space.

Once the temps stay above freezing, we cover the low hoops with plastic to spped warming of the soil. The onions, garlic, spinach planted last fall should come up, finishing by June, when we can direct-plant seeds and starts. Any areas that are free of these plants get forked 2’ deep, and compost and nutrients formed into the top 1’ of soil.

This is our 5th year of growing most of our food. It took that long to figure out what grew where best with 4 areas all having their own “climate”. We have everything planted so when one thing is harvested, another plant is coming up near it.

This has kept my canned and dehydrated stuff in constant supply, a good amount goes to our daughter and her family to help them out. It works for us.

Anyone else try to stay off-grid food-wise too?

Debbi


22 posted on 01/10/2014 1:34:09 PM PST by hearthwench (Mom, NaNa, always ornery)
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To: Sarajevo

Rain fall has not been great here the last few years, but you have even more issues with that than I do. Missouri usually does pretty well with rain up until the end of May. July and August are the really dry periods here.


23 posted on 01/10/2014 1:44:14 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: hearthwench

We do a little more each year. We also plant a few more perrenials each year. Bluberries, Blackberries, grapes, fruit trees, etc.

We probably won’t ever go totally off grid until we need to, but each year we experiment a little so that if we have to we are not facing a huge learning curve.

During the winter, is when I like to dehydrate and can stuff that is on special-usually meats. When we get cool fall days, that’s a great time to dehydrate some of the summer’s crops.


24 posted on 01/10/2014 1:49:19 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

NW local:

My Christmas Cactus is ending its bloom period. I have one that blooms around Thanksgiving and the other Christmas time. Have had them for years and years in the same pots. I really must give them some new soil.


25 posted on 01/10/2014 1:49:31 PM PST by WHATNEXT?
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To: WHATNEXT?

It’s amazing how long they will just keep on going without much effort other than occasional watering.LOL


26 posted on 01/10/2014 1:51:08 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I had a few “sweet slice” cucumber plants this last year that did well. They produced plenty, got to good size without being pithy, and had no evidence of disease or bug problems. I used a tripod trellis and kept them off the ground. I eat these with a little seasoned salt and vinegar.


27 posted on 01/10/2014 2:01:12 PM PST by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: greeneyes

I made newspaper pots last year but either the seeds didn’t germinate or they were unhealthy and died. The seeds in other containers did fine. It may be we have some poisonous ink in our papers. While they’re a great no cost idea, it’s beneficial to try seeds in other containers just in case.

In TX, we went from 12 degrees a few days ago to 70. If you don’t like the Texas weather, just wait 5 minutes.


28 posted on 01/10/2014 2:02:43 PM PST by bgill
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To: OftheOhio

Is that the name - Sweet Slice?


29 posted on 01/10/2014 2:05:26 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: bgill

I like to use the little paper cups of various sizes.


30 posted on 01/10/2014 2:06:49 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Yes, sweet slice is the name of these cucumbers. It’s a slicer Burpless type.


31 posted on 01/10/2014 2:16:35 PM PST by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: greeneyes

Seeds not up under the grow lamp: No peppers are up and I have several kinds, and no celery is up. The rest of the plants are up.

I was looking for a book in one of my bookcases and saw “A Book of Ireland”. This must be the book that tells about how doctors were paid in early days. It is the book unless I bought one and I don’t remember doing that. The Ireland book that describes the doctors was given to me. I’m going through this book to see if I can find the bit about paying doctors if this is the right book.

Some of this book is too sad to read as there are poems throughout of men being killed in battle and their lovers’ sadness about their dying.


32 posted on 01/10/2014 2:24:39 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: trisham

Mid April going by frost date maps. But the lore around here is 30 days past the last T-storm in Feb. I don’t know what they say if Feb. is T-storm free. LOL


33 posted on 01/10/2014 2:28:03 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: hearthwench

The last three years’ gardening has been one disaster after another between constant 110 temps and drought except for freak hail storms and flash floods. I had to replant the garden 3 times, and some things 4 times, last summer so I simply gave up on a fall garden. This year, I’m determined to have enough to stock the freezer and put up. Mother Nature enjoys playing wicked jokes though so I may have opened my mouth too soon. But I have to do whatever it takes to cut the grocery bill even more.

The past couple weeks, I’ve searched every edible plant that can be grown here and am putting together a notebook. I can’t find harvest lengths on the majority so that throws off knowing what can go where and when in a fall garden. I guess I need to make a serious stand against Mother Nature in the spring garden first. The other problem has been our first and last freeze dates are a month off from what “they” claim.

The other day, we dug the random carrots that were left. Nasty things. Garlic is the only thing out there now. We need to get it tilled while the weather is good. Next week is indoor seed starting time.

The freeze did a number on the amaryllis here. They had good mulch so maybe they’ll bounce back. There were a couple daffodils or something poking up but I haven’t checked to see how they faired through the cold. The poor ginger had to stay inside for several days and it didn’t like the central heat but it’s back outside where it likes to be.


34 posted on 01/10/2014 2:32:41 PM PST by bgill
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To: greeneyes

“I have a bunch of newspaper pots made, but need to make a few more.”

I don’t know about newspaper pots. Please explain what you do. Thanks for telling me something else I don’t know. :o)


35 posted on 01/10/2014 2:32:56 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

https://www.jungseed.com/dp.asp?pID=53078&c=414&p=Potmaker

Get it cheaper with other purchases.

JustADumbBlonde used this stuff all the time for her transplants.


36 posted on 01/10/2014 2:38:02 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: hearthwench

Here’s the USDA food costs as of November:

http://www.cnpp.usda.gov//Publications/FoodPlans/2013/CostofFoodNov2013.pdf


37 posted on 01/10/2014 2:39:00 PM PST by bgill
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To: greeneyes

I’m trying to take plants through the winter just outside of KC for the first time in a heated greenhouse. I’m going to start tomatoes etc. earlier this year. When would be a good time to start. Also please add me to your ping list.


38 posted on 01/10/2014 2:45:18 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: OftheOhio

Sounds good.


39 posted on 01/10/2014 2:47:22 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Black Agnes

I remember a couple of years ago, there was some place that had a three size set. I dont get newspapers, so I never followed up much, other than just out of curiosity.

No more more seeds than I’m gunna start this year, I may just use 5oz Dixie cups rather than the seed trays that I usually use.


40 posted on 01/10/2014 2:57:32 PM PST by rightly_dividing (2 Tim. 2:15)
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To: rightly_dividing

Whoa. I’ve never seen the 3 size set. I just found mine a couple years ago.


41 posted on 01/10/2014 3:00:25 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes; All

Plastic cat food containers with drain holes poked in the bottoms do well for smaller plants. Of course, tomatoes and peppers need larger ones. I have a few larger peat pots that I’m going to try with summer squash to try to beat the squash vine borer season (as if there’s ever an off season). In Minnesota, the svb season is the last week of June and into July. Don’t know how that relates to TX but it may be that I can get a few squash if I start them indoor early.

http://www.extension.umn.edu/garden/insects/find/squash-vine-borers/

Also, to kill svb, when you see it’s been chewing on the plant, slice the vine lengthwise with a knife until you find the little monster. Do a Kim Jong Un on it. Then pack the vine with soil and it’s supposed to be a happy vine again. And, I’m going to move them outside the main garden because squash bugs will overwinter.


42 posted on 01/10/2014 3:02:42 PM PST by bgill
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To: Black Agnes; Marcella

I was searching just now and found this. There other sites to that dont not use bought molds.

http://learningandyearning.com/2011/03/06/seed-starting-pots-from-newspaper/


43 posted on 01/10/2014 3:06:42 PM PST by rightly_dividing (2 Tim. 2:15)
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To: bgill

In southeast Texas, 60 miles north of downtown Houston it was 66 today at the time I looked this afternoon.

The weather thingy I have gives me the readout from a unit on a table next to my chair. I don’t remember where I put the unit outside that speaks to this inside unit. At any rate, a part of this inside one is blinking with an arrow pointing to a cloud with rain coming out. That would be true since I just went to my mailbox in my car as it’s raining and got harder before I got back, in less than two minutes counting the time I got out of the car, got the mail, and go back in car and back. The mailboxes are just outside our gate and it takes about 20 seconds to get from my house to that gate. NOW, one can look at this thingy inside the house OR look out the door and the result is the same. Are we at the height of laziness to look at a thingy instead of look outside?


44 posted on 01/10/2014 3:07:52 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: rightly_dividing

Ok, those are cute.

I’m planning to use mine this year with broccoli transplants. Get to start them tomorrow in fact. I’ll report back on how the fancy pot maker worked out.


45 posted on 01/10/2014 3:15:49 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Marcella; Black Agnes

Study the picture that Agnes posted. A newspaper pot is basically a piece of newspaper about 12” X 7” or there about. Fold it down an inch or so so that you have a sturdier lip for the top of the container. Wrap it around a spice jar, larger pill bottle or a large sized vitamin bottle. Leave about a 1.5” extended at the bottom so that you can twist it and moosh it flat (sort of flat). Slide the jar/bottle out and you have a little pot. The paper size will vary depending on the jar/bottle. You’ll have to put the filled pots close together in a tray so they don’t fall over (due to the not so flat bottoms). They dry out faster than other containers. By transplanting time, they are ready to fall apart and are easy to tear a bit for the roots to grow.


46 posted on 01/10/2014 3:17:10 PM PST by bgill
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To: Marcella

Here’s a link that has a picture of the wooden pot maker, and some of the paper pots.

http://www.seedandgarden.com/shop/products/Paper-Pot-Maker.html

You just cut strips of paper. Wrap them around the dowel, fold the bottom in and insert into the other part of the pot maker and twist. It’s very easy. Video link below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiWNviOD8-I


47 posted on 01/10/2014 3:21:28 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
In the mail was Sun King Hybrid broccoli seed from Burpee. Why did I get that? Because it says, “Beat the heat. The choicest, tastiest broccoli - and with unrivaled heat tolerance. Large blue-green variety with heads 6-8 inches in diameter, is a standout for its great leaf cover and abundant side shoots. Harvest the nutrition loaded, health-giving beauties from spring until fall. Harvest in about 71 days.”

“unrivaled heat tolerance” and to get it to produce here in this heat that starts for earnest in June, and produce until fall, it has to have asbestos shorts on. It even says, “In deep south , Gulf and Pacific Coast area, sew from fall to early spring.”

This is the only broccoli I found that might survive and produce in my heat of 100-107 summer. Since it takes from 10-21 days for the seed to sprout and then they have to get to the point to be outside, and take 71 days to harvest and then keep producing, the poor plants are going to get hot.

So, I will experiment with these.

48 posted on 01/10/2014 3:23:41 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

Where I come from in the South, people use a weather rock, it works just as good.

Some examples of the instructions for the weather rock include:

If the rock is wet, it’s raining.
If the rock is swinging, the wind is blowing.
If the rock casts a shadow, the sun is shining.
If the rock does not cast a shadow and is not wet, the sky is cloudy.
If the rock is not visible, it is foggy.
If the rock is white, it is snowing.
If the rock is coated with ice, there is a frost.
If the ice is thick, it’s a heavy frost.
If the rock is bouncing, there is an earthquake.
If the rock is under water, there is a flood.
If the rock is warm, it is sunny.
If the rock is missing, there was a tornado.
If the rock is wet and swinging violently, there is a hurricane.
If the rock has white splats on it, watch out for birds


49 posted on 01/10/2014 3:27:54 PM PST by rightly_dividing (2 Tim. 2:15)
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To: Marcella

Sorta busy here today and on the tablet. I did get some potting soil and I’ll start seeds next week.

/johnny


50 posted on 01/10/2014 3:36:01 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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