Posted on 01/24/2014 8:00:53 AM PST by rockrr
Sweetie, we’ve had this conversation on other threads already. I am at a loss why you seem to think General Grant’s or his wife’s supposed ownership of slaves has anything to do with anything.
Grant was known to be and open about his personal lack of interest in the subject of slavery. Whether his wife ever held legal title to slaves is not known. Her father was a wealthy MO slaveowner and either gave or loaned some of them to Mrs. Grant. All his slaves, and any that may have been legally owned by Mrs. Grant were freed by MO state action in January 65.
What we do know about Grant himself and slavery is that he only ever personally owned one slave, a certain William Jones. Grant freed Jones a couple of years before the war, at a time when his family was desperately in need of money, even though Jones could have been sold for the equivalent of tens of thousands in today’s dollars. The manumission paper is still on file at the St. Louis County courthouse.
I’ll stack that single fact up against any number of attempts to blacken the name of a great American soldier.
Grant also thought states had a a right to secede.
“when Lee was opposed by Meade, who seemed to be a competent field commander, it was a disaster for Lee.”
After Gettysburg, Meade was out-thought, and out-fought by Lee throughout the fall. Meade also benefited greatly from the preps made by Reynolds, before Gettysburg.
“You realize there were thousands of slave owning blacks. Over 3,000 blacks in New Orleans alone who were slave owners. There were black slave breeders too.”
That is too politically incorrect to speak of, in the modern times.
“What we do know about Grant himself and slavery is that he only ever personally owned one slave, a certain William Jones”
Oh Okay how about a statue of Grant and his one slave? I guess it was OK to own just one slave. Yeh thats the ticket! :-)
The war isn’t over yet.
At what battles?
“Grant also thought states had a a right to secede”
He was right.
Since the poor slob was such an abysmal failure at business I guess due to being sloshed 24/7 he prolly had no choice but to stay in the military and fight the war.
Liberals? You should know. If you're a Yankee, you live in a liberal hellhole. We in the South are the last hangers-on when it comes to conservatism. You should thank us.
Even my good friend in New Jersey admits that northeasterners are some of the rudest people in the world. She's visited the South quite a few times, and has the good taste to appreciate our region.
Virginia?
From your reply, I can see that I’m right.
Lee didn't.
Central Virginia?
You better believe it.
Uh-huh....despite the fact that you were dog who yelped when I posted about Yankee temperament.
So do I. So what?
Fair enough. As long as we include the circumstances of the case, to the relatively minor extent they are known.
Here’s an interesting link to what little we know about Grant and Jones, including primary sources.
http://www.yandtblog.com/?p=288
Jones was probably a gift to Grant from his father-in-law, as it seems unlikely he would have had the capital to buy him at market value. But he certainly could have sold him, probably for $1000+, rather than free him.
Never knew about this battle before.
On the morning of 22 February, as the Union forces were still retreating to Jacksonville, the 54th Massachusetts was ordered to counter-march back to Ten-Mile Station. The locomotive of a train carrying wounded Union soldiers had broken down and the wounded were in danger of capture. When the 54th Massachusetts arrived, the men attached ropes to the engine and cars and manually pulled the train approximately three miles to Camp Finegan, where horses were secured to help pull the train. After that, the train was pulled by both men and horses to Jacksonville for a total distance of ten miles. It took forty-two hours to pull the train that distance.[
I didn’t yelp. I just told the truth, and you yelped.
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