Posted on 02/15/2014 3:24:49 PM PST by libstripper
urors in the trial of a white Florida man who fatally shot a black teenager over loud music said on their fourth day of mulling the case that they reached a verdict on four of five counts, but cannot come to a consensus on one count of first-degree murder.
Michael Dunn, 47, says he was acting in self-defense when he shot at an SUV 10 times while parked next to four teens at a Jacksonville, Fla., gas station in November 2012.
The shots killed Jordan Davis, 17, of Marietta, Ga. Dunn is charged with first-degree murder, three counts of attempted murder and one count of firing a deadly missile into an occupied vehicle.
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I’ve said things to people who had loud inappropriate music, but not in cases where I didn’t have a pretty good control of the circumstances and cover of other people. And then it was because i could tell other people were bothered (parents with children), and I was able to do so by pointing that out and being sympathetic about it, so the perpetrators understood I was just pointing out something they may not have seen.
He should have claimed some kind of cognitive brain disfunction caused by the loud, pounding “music”.
I’m a strong supporter of self defense and stand your ground laws, but I’m having a tough time making that connection here.
2nd degree murder seems open and shut, but how do they get a charge of 1st degree?
How did he have time to premeditate?
That would be an interesting defense.
Corey, and another analyst on FOX, said pre-meditaded could be as quickly as five minutes.
I carry a loaded weapon to deal with fate if it comes for me, leaving me no real choice, as happened to George Zimmerman. Dunn, OTOH, chose to carry it to confront fate, did so, and ruined his whole life. Having to listen to a few minutes of vile rap “music” is a small price to pay for being able to live the rest of one’s life in freedom.
The Dunn and Zimmerman cases make a stark contrast between probable second degree murder and legitimate self defense and ought to be taught in all CCW classes. Looks to me like the juries got it right in both cases, first degree murder being a bit much in the Dunn case, although he probably would have been convicted of second degree if Corey hadn’t over charged.
over-under on when Obama speaks out on this case?
IMHO that’s exactly why the jury deadlocked on first degree.
It could be as short as 5 seconds if there weren't any inciting event, but there was. So the you have to prove he came to the gas station planning to kill people to get to premeditated.
As much of a freedom as most. Freedom isn’t absolute in a majority of the cases, there are limits where it impinges on other freedom. Like you don’t have the right to park your car right in front of your neighbor’s driveway. You probably have a right to park all your cars in front of their house, but it isn’t neighborly, and they might get really mad at you and maybe key your car.
So what is the freedom we are arguing about here? Can you play music at all? Can you play music in a car if the car isn’t soundproof? Can you open your window while your music is playing? Who decides when the music has become “too loud” to be your freedom to play?
I think in general people have a right to play music in their cars, and in a place like a public parking lot, I assume I’ll hear a lot of people exercising their freedom to play music, and some of it will be loud, and maybe sometime I’ll have mine really loud because I think other people should enjoy my taste in strange music.
For example, one night after working halloween haunt, my carload pulled into a McDonalds at 1am. There were others who clearly had been at haunt, and we rolled down our windows and all started belting out one of our halloween songs we were playing on the radio. In that case, we got 3 cars full of people all screaming out the words. I imagine someone who was in the parking lot was probably disturbed, and can only be thankful we didn’t all get shot.
not from what they were saying. they were suggesting you have the incident and then you plan your response. it could be that brief of an interlude.
this is why she is going to retry for 1st degree.
Then let God punish them by their loss of hearing and by getting killed or permanently maimed in the course of some crime they are likely to commit.
You have the right to free speech, but you don’t have a right to be heard.
Kind of like the Twinkie defense. It probably wouldn’t work.
If she’s going to retry for 1st degree, she’s just proving herself to be the unqualified fool she is. We’re looking at an instantaneous action of pure, malicious stupidity by a very pissed off man, one that pretty well qualifies for 2d degree, not first. Since he was convicted on four other serious counts, three of them for attempted murder, he’s going away for most of the rest of his life anyway.
I think you’re right. Now they’re going to drag him through another trial ... next one, more high profile.
He’s over.
Great. Anyone who annoys me must die.
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