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Too old to get lifesaving drugs: Anger at plan to deny treatment if you've had a 'fair innings'
The Daily Mail ^ | 17 Feb 2014 | JENNY HOPE and DANIEL MARTIN

Posted on 02/17/2014 4:39:10 PM PST by mandaladon

Patients who have had a ‘fair innings’ could be denied life-saving drugs under proposed health reforms. The plans would mean experts taking into account whether there is a ‘wider societal benefit’ to giving a patient crucial medicines. The NHS rationing body, Nice, fears the Department of Health proposals could see younger people deemed a higher priority for drug treatments because they have more years ahead of them – potentially contributing more to the economy – than the elderly.

Doctors, MPs and campaigners last night condemned the plans as ‘barking mad’. The move will also fuel fears that the elderly are receiving a worse deal from the health service than the young.

Cancer charities have already warned that ‘cruel restrictions’ mean older patients have been denied medical treatment, regardless of a proper assessment of their fitness levels and how likely they could benefit from treatment. Sir Andrew Dillon, the head of the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence, said he was concerned about the new rules and feared they would lead to older patients being penalised in a ‘hard-nosed’ and ‘crude’ economic approach.

The reforms, which are being consulted on, would see new drugs assessed for the first time based partly on whether they would benefit society as a whole – not just the patient. For example, a drug that helped people to live longer in an expensive care home, or on welfare, might have a ‘negative’ social value not outweighed by the benefit to the individual, because such patients take more from society than they can put back. Sir Andrew said: ‘There are lots of people who adopt the fair-innings approach: “You’ve had 70 years of life – you’ve got to accept society is going to bias its investments in younger people.”

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He said an initial assessment by Nice suggested that accounting for ‘wider societal benefit’ would inevitably tilt funding away from the old because younger patients had more to gain from treatment and more to give back.

Coming soon to America...compliments of Obamacare.

1 posted on 02/17/2014 4:39:10 PM PST by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

Their “rationing body” is called NICE?!?!?

Paging George Orwell.... Mr. Orwell, please pick up the courtesy phone.


2 posted on 02/17/2014 4:41:02 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: mandaladon

Will they also pull the plug on younger people on the dole?


3 posted on 02/17/2014 4:41:44 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: mandaladon
"Hey granny--go make yourself useful!"


4 posted on 02/17/2014 4:42:04 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: mandaladon

The people uttering these words have homes. Find them.

They have families. Find them.

They go shopping, out to dinner, the movies, etc. find out when and where they do these things.

Get in their faces, publicly. Give them no peace. Give their families no peace. Protest in front of their homes. Tell their kids that their mommy or daddy wants other peoples mommies, daddies, and grandparents to die.

If that doesn’t work the information learned can be used to implement more extreme measures.


5 posted on 02/17/2014 4:43:39 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: workerbee

It is sometimes scary when science fiction becomes science fact.......

6 posted on 02/17/2014 4:46:03 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: mandaladon

the Nazis couldn’t have done a better job...


7 posted on 02/17/2014 4:46:08 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: mandaladon

Saw this coming a mile away. What the Obama adminstration really wants to say but won’t because they have such a large base of uninformed LIV young and middle aged voters that they need is “die you old white bastids, die!” Jarret is definitely keeping her promise to payback white Americans. They want the Old Guard to die so they can operate unopposed.


8 posted on 02/17/2014 4:47:03 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Travis McGee

9 posted on 02/17/2014 4:47:54 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: mandaladon

Well, Jeremy Bentham is still sitting around the University College London, so I guess it’s the greatest good for the greatest number if the elderly just pass on in order to not burden the young unnecessarily.


10 posted on 02/17/2014 4:49:25 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Lurker

It would probably be easier to simply look up the CEO’s of AETNA cigna and the other insurance companies in The States, as they all do this already. This isn’t an NHS vs For-Profit thing, it’s every health care system that prioritises based on outcomes. As for this becoming policy on the NHS, not gonna happen.

Private insurance companies can pull this quietly, State-Run systems are (usually) too transparent


11 posted on 02/17/2014 4:51:51 PM PST by AnAmericanInEngland
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To: jsanders2001

“What the Obama adminstration really wants to say but won’t because they have such a large base of uninformed LIV young and middle aged voters that they need is “die you old white bastids, die!” Jarret is definitely keeping her promise to payback white Americans. They want the Old Guard to die so they can operate unopposed.”

Like the victims of Nazism, these elderly will have their valuables stripped from them (through paying for any healthcare, rather than getting any help with it) before being sent off to die.


12 posted on 02/17/2014 4:52:45 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: workerbee; All

National Institute for Clinical Excellence. Not kidding. And (don’t tell anybody!) the young already get more treatment than older patients. But the younger people are still paying into the system. What do you think our Govt will do when they are faced with spending their (read taxpayer) money on older people?


13 posted on 02/17/2014 4:53:37 PM PST by originalbuckeye ("A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue;)
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To: jsanders2001

Exactly. But these rules never apply to the leftist “elite”. They can suck up exorbitant resources at the middle classes’ expense until their overdue dying day. Same with the underclass. There is an alliance between the elite (started to say leftist elite, but these days...) and the underclass to leech off the productive middle class until they kill it.


14 posted on 02/17/2014 4:55:40 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Travis McGee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT3wTiQAYrY


15 posted on 02/17/2014 4:55:58 PM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Moonman62

I was just thinking of all the bilions of dollars we waste in this country on useless “programs” for the privileged “poor”.


16 posted on 02/17/2014 4:56:53 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: mandaladon

Under marxism the individual is nothing. The collectivity is everything.

[big exception for the ruling elite: they get whatever they want ]


17 posted on 02/17/2014 4:57:39 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: jsanders2001

Once the productive class is gone, what do they intend to operate on? Just keep printing money until China takes over?


18 posted on 02/17/2014 4:57:48 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: mandaladon

I have told so many people who were all for obamacare- many of whom are sick, disabled, have cancer or are HIV+- that they are of NO use to the country if they only represent a drain instead of a contribution. Sickness IS A DRAIN.

None listened, all voted for BO and they will in all probability be paying for their vote with their lives. This WILL be coming here one day. Death panels are a reality.


19 posted on 02/17/2014 4:59:15 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: mandaladon

Remember how the left vilified Sarah Palin for talking about death panels? Turns out she was right.


20 posted on 02/17/2014 5:06:46 PM PST by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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To: mandaladon
a ‘fair innings’ only the Brits could come up with that as a euphemism for it's your turn to die...
21 posted on 02/17/2014 5:11:52 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: mrsmel

> Once the productive class is gone, what do they intend to operate on? Just keep printing money until China takes over?

Hopefully eat their own...


22 posted on 02/17/2014 5:17:09 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Lurker

This will not happen. They would be killing off a big chunk of their base. And those young folks who would get the medicines have old relatives that they love.


23 posted on 02/17/2014 5:17:44 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: mrsmel

> I was just thinking of all the bilions of dollars we waste in this country on useless “programs” for the privileged “poor”.

Those “administration costs” are so high you know...


24 posted on 02/17/2014 5:18:19 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: mandaladon

I doubt that they will withhold the drug ... it’s the one that do give you ... take this pill once in the morning with a meal and die.


25 posted on 02/17/2014 5:18:42 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Anything regarding this administration ..... remember I told you so first!)
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To: mandaladon

“Soylent Green is people!!”

or these days “Soylent Green is high in cholesterol!!!”


26 posted on 02/17/2014 5:20:46 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: mandaladon

if you think it ain’ t here now you’re naive.


27 posted on 02/17/2014 5:25:38 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: mandaladon

Ezekiel Emanuel based his ‘Complete Lives System’ on this, I’m sure.


28 posted on 02/17/2014 5:26:14 PM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: workerbee

You beat me to it! My thoughts exactly!


29 posted on 02/17/2014 5:26:54 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Lurker
The people uttering these words have homes. Find them.

They have families. Find them.

They go shopping, out to dinner, the movies, etc. find out when and where they do these things.

Get in their faces, publicly. Give them no peace. Give their families no peace. Protest in front of their homes. Tell their kids that their mommy or daddy wants other peoples mommies, daddies, and grandparents to die.

If that doesn’t work the information learned can be used to implement more extreme measures.


My mother passed away from cancer so I'm glad she is out of the clutches of these evil people and in a much better place. BTW, think about this, the people who are denied life saving treatment or even treatment that would make their lives better like a new hip but are instead sentenced to a wheelchair as a cripple, these people have family and friends. How about if a Tony Soprano is denied healthcare? There is a noise at 2:30 AM, is it the neighbor's dog or cat or is it a capo and three soldiers outside? It's 10 PM, the phone rings, is it your kid being late or something else? I was writing a short story about this but put it on hiatus after Mom got sick, but I need to pick that up again. This is bad for our country and society.
30 posted on 02/17/2014 5:29:45 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: mandaladon

Death panels yaye! The dems said we need a health system just like the British NHS. This is the ultimate goal of the ACA.


31 posted on 02/17/2014 5:30:24 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: mandaladon
Welcome to “duty to die.” Next step, compulsory “euthanasia.”
32 posted on 02/17/2014 5:32:18 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Lurker
Get in their faces, publicly. Give them no peace. Give their families no peace. Protest in front of their homes.

Something like this?

‘Killer cops aren’t welcome here!’ Officer Who Murdered Kelly Thomas, Driven Out Of Restaurant

Works for me.

33 posted on 02/17/2014 5:38:56 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: mandaladon

I can’t wait ‘til some irate pensioner finds the family heirloom WWI Enfield bayonet and skewers a bureaucrat with it. If the Brits hurry, they might just beat us to such measures (but we’re closing the gap fast).


34 posted on 02/17/2014 5:59:19 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: mandaladon
Patients who have had a ‘fair innings’ could be denied life-saving drugs under proposed health reforms.

Under a strange coincidence, registered Republicans, gun owners, Christians and conservatives will be determined to have enough 'fair innings' and be out of outs under Obamacare.

On the other hand, all minorities and other stereotypical Democratic voters, like government workers and college faculty members will be judge to have many more 'innings' left no matter what their age.

Think I'm joking? Look at how the IRS is run under the Obama regime.
35 posted on 02/17/2014 6:22:33 PM PST by Ticonderoga34
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To: mandaladon

Death panels.
They make the choice. It’s not your money to allocate!!!!


36 posted on 02/17/2014 7:26:14 PM PST by 4Liberty (Optimal institutions - optimal economy.)
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To: Lurker

“The people uttering these words have homes. Find them.”

THIS is what must be said, over and over and over again. Kudos.

If the enemy feels NO push-back, they feel entitled to make these insane remarks.

(I suggest everyone make note of where their congresscritters live—we pay their salaries for BURYING US.)


37 posted on 02/17/2014 7:46:16 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: mandaladon

Liberals have always been about murder and death.


38 posted on 02/18/2014 6:30:08 AM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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