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Considering a New Rifle: Mini14 or SR556? (VANITY)
Vanity | 2-21-2013 | chuckster

Posted on 02/21/2014 1:18:26 PM PST by Chuckster

Seeking advice from experienced shooters. I am considering a New Rifle. I am in Alaska and the gun will spend a lot of time on a boat. I want something compact, light and semi-auto. I am trying to decide between an AR pattern or a Garand style action. I would prefer a .308 but the wife will likely be using it as much or more than me and her vote is for the Mini14. I think that is too light a caliber, and .223/5.56 ammo is hard to come by locally.

Any way, the Mini14 is half the price of the AR or any .308 I've seen so I turn to the experts here on FR for advice.


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KEYWORDS: guns; rifles; ruger
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It has to be light, weather resistant and reliable. I would prefer something harder hitting (We have large brown bears here) but Herself says I will be carrying the 12 ga so she does not need the extra weight of the .308 and will not consider a bolt action.
1 posted on 02/21/2014 1:18:26 PM PST by Chuckster
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To: Chuckster

Mini30 should be a good compromise. If accuracy is not an issue - get SKS: cheap, reliable, economical to shoot.


2 posted on 02/21/2014 1:20:49 PM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Chuckster

mini 30


3 posted on 02/21/2014 1:22:29 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Chuckster

I second the SKS.


4 posted on 02/21/2014 1:22:30 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Chuckster

What do you intend to use the rifle for. I’m not sure why you’re walking around with a rifle and a shotgun. What am I missing?


5 posted on 02/21/2014 1:22:56 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Chuckster

I have both a Mini-14 and a SIG 556. The latter is fairly similar to the SR556 is some ways (.223, piston mechanism, AR ergonomics).

The latter is a greatly superior weapon. The accuracy is superior. The ergonomics are superior. Field stripping and cleaning is much easier. You might pay more, but you will certainly get more for that money.

One major ding on the Mini-14 is that to field strip and clean it, you need to remove any optic, and hence will have to re-zero it.


6 posted on 02/21/2014 1:23:59 PM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Chuckster
As the owner of two Mini-14s, I'd say go with the SR556.

Minis, even the new ones, leave a lot to be desired in the accuracy department.

7 posted on 02/21/2014 1:24:00 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Chuckster

Consider a 30-30 lever gun. Ammo is getable, they are light, reliable, accurate, and ammo is getable...with the addition of a pad, recoil is workable for the distaff side, and ammo is getable.

If .223/5.56, go wih the AR. Just local opinion, but the Rugers are not battle rifles. Maybe the Mini-30 for ammo availability, but......

Good luck! prices are getting reasonable after the last round of crazy times.

KYPD


8 posted on 02/21/2014 1:24:25 PM PST by petro45acp (It's a fabian thing.....how do you boil a frog? How's that water feelin right about now?)
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To: Chuckster

You can always get a AR in 223 and then get an additional upper in for instance 50 Beowulf
Mini 14 very reliable but not known for great accuracy.


9 posted on 02/21/2014 1:24:27 PM PST by Zathras
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To: Chuckster

“get SKS: cheap, reliable, economical to shoot..”

Boom, boom, and, boom. Fun to shoot too.


10 posted on 02/21/2014 1:25:22 PM PST by FAA
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To: Chuckster

.50cal Beowulf...

http://www.shopalexanderarms.com/.50_Beowulf-Rifles.html


11 posted on 02/21/2014 1:25:43 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Chuckster

I would go with an AR-15 in 7.62mm,308 Winchester over the 5.56.I would be concerned about what you’d be using it for but the 7.62 is a hard hitting,long range round compared to the 5.56.


12 posted on 02/21/2014 1:26:17 PM PST by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Chuckster

I’ve seen too many of those minis jam, I just don’t like the things. Designed for a 30-06.


13 posted on 02/21/2014 1:28:49 PM PST by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Chuckster

The good news is you’ll have a fine weapon whichever you choose. The mini 14 is a very comfortable shooting rifle. Mine is very accurate up to 100 years with iron sights.


14 posted on 02/21/2014 1:30:25 PM PST by circlecity
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To: Chuckster
I have the SR556. I wouldn't consider it a “light” rifle. Its a few pounds heavier than most AR15’s. I will say that its a nice rifle. The bolt/carrier stays cool and clean because of the piston system.
15 posted on 02/21/2014 1:31:21 PM PST by rww
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To: Chuckster

While our favored rifles are AR-15s, that’s primarily due to our limited range requirements, since a hundred yards would be a long shot at our place in the NH woods. Too, I did my army time, and got used the the thing. Too, the recoil works well with my wife.

But while wandering around a gun show with a few spare bucks, I met a Chinese AK-47 semi which came home with me.

I like the 7.62 better than the 5.56, and the functionality of the rifle in difficult to care for situations is beyond compare. I also like the 30 round mags which are cheap and available.

Consider getting one as it seems to be the best compromise in general use situations.


16 posted on 02/21/2014 1:32:00 PM PST by benewton
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To: Chuckster

I’d take the worst AR type rifle over the best Mini 14. It’s WELL worth it to spend a little more money for the AR type rifle. I’ve owned both, and still own ARs.

There’s no comparison, except for the ammo they have in common.

Don’t even think about it any further.

If you’re looking to drop bears on the other hand, go with the .308(a 5.56 will just make them mad unless you make a WELL placed shot). A PTR91 or M14 would be good choices in a semi-auto. There are AR type rifles in .308, but they tend to be expensive, and parts aren’t as easy to come by.


17 posted on 02/21/2014 1:32:11 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Chuckster

Just do what I do, buy one, and put the other on lay away.


18 posted on 02/21/2014 1:33:52 PM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: Eska

ping for an Alaskan shooter point of view


19 posted on 02/21/2014 1:36:24 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Chuckster
I have a mini 14 and have shot quite a few. Never had a jam, they are very reliable. That being said the AR is more versatile. Swap out the upper for 6.8 spc or Grendl or 50 Beowulf. Any AR mag will fit while the mini takes it's own mag.

The Ruger AR is piston driven and a good rifle but pricey. Around here mini 14s are almost as much as an AR.

Classic Firearms has SKSs for about $300. Good rifles.

20 posted on 02/21/2014 1:37:17 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Chuckster
I am in Alaska and the gun will spend a lot of time on a boat.

BAD idea. Over the past five years on FR, I have decided that guns and boats don't mix.

21 posted on 02/21/2014 1:37:29 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: meatloaf

22 posted on 02/21/2014 1:37:49 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Chuckster

Lever action .30-30 or an SKS. Fairly simple, reliable, hit reasonably hard, light.


23 posted on 02/21/2014 1:38:37 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: thackney

I’d pick something with more steam than a poodle shooter if I was thinking about a meet up with a bear.


24 posted on 02/21/2014 1:43:40 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

The shotgun, a Mossberg 500 Mariner, is primarily for bear protection (And zombies) I wanted something with longer reach for small game,up to deer, when we are out in the bush. Also, I think we should both carry long guns and one of them should be a shotgun. We are frequently in remote areas where there is no calling for help.


25 posted on 02/21/2014 1:45:59 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: USMCPOP
SKS is not light, compared to an AR15 or M4. A good lever gun is an excellent option, however. I favor the .357 version since it has much less recoil and therefore allows quicker follow-up accurate shots and is effective out to two hundred yards for kills. Ammo is lighter (a sling with thirty rounds in it is much lighter in .357 than the 30-30). The ability to feed a handgun and rifle with the same ammo is also a plus for the .357 lever gun.

HOWEVER, for use around the compound and SKS spitting 7.62 x 39 is hard to beat for impact, cost of tool & ammo, and reliability.

26 posted on 02/21/2014 1:46:09 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Chuckster

Saiga IZ 240 AK 74 Rifle imported ,545 x 39 semi auto AK 74 Hunting Rifles. $499.00

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/saiga-iz-240-ak-74-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0


27 posted on 02/21/2014 1:48:15 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: meatloaf; Chuckster

While I initially have the same thought bigger is better if concerned about Alaskan Brown Bear, the reality in such a situation is going to make shot placement and ability to control far more important. A rifle she accurately shoots with will be your best choice.

Alaska Department of Fish and Game
Firearms and Ammunition
http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms


28 posted on 02/21/2014 1:48:35 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Chuckster

Look into the Rowland .460 on a 1911 platform. I’ve never shot a Griz but I think that round would do the job.


29 posted on 02/21/2014 1:49:31 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Chuckster
Mini-14 accuracy is not acceptable; +/- 3 to 4 inches in all directions at 100 yards. I'd be willing to trade three of them for one decent AR-15.

They're probably just fine for a ten-yard gun against -- what? Too inaccurate to hit something little, and not suitable to shoot something big enough to hit. Great for making noise; not for target shooting or hunting.

I stick with a .30-06 or .308 for hunting. YMMV

30 posted on 02/21/2014 1:49:51 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: Chuckster

You can pick up a Century AK N-Pap m70 (7.62x39) for about 500 bucks.Ammo is available at $225.00/1000 rnds.30 round mags and a hoot to shoot


31 posted on 02/21/2014 1:49:54 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Be careful with a possible slam fire on these models.


32 posted on 02/21/2014 1:50:35 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Chuckster
Another great choice would be a stainless steel lever in 45-70

If bears a worry plenty of power can be had in 18 inch to 24 inch barrel

Proving and easy to use

33 posted on 02/21/2014 1:51:09 PM PST by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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To: Pollster1

BAD idea. Over the past five years on FR, I have decided that guns and boats don’t mix.


LOLOL. Speaking of which I feel another accident coming on. Might take my whole arsenal out for a turn on the lake this weekend.

And all my ammo too. Ya just never know.


34 posted on 02/21/2014 1:51:12 PM PST by freedomlover
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To: circlecity
You must have picked out the best of the litter as the one I owned was a turd. Sold it to a Realtor that I could not stand. It could hit anything it was just not able to do it twice in the same magazine. My new AR warms up at a 100 meters and it shoots out to 500 meters just fine. When I lived in Alaska I carried Ruger Super Black Hawk 454 in a shoulder rig. The model 500 12 ga. with slugs was also with me at all times. I personally don't want to meet a Browne with a 556.
35 posted on 02/21/2014 1:51:30 PM PST by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: Chuckster

A mini 30 might be better than a .223 especially in AK where you really should have ENOUGH GUN. Neither the .223. Nor the 7.62x39 is really enough for AK except for 2 legged varmints.

How about a Marlin Guide Gun. Lever action in .450 marlin or .45-70 if you reload. A pump or semi auto 12 gauge loaded with sabot slugs would be a good short range bear stopped.


36 posted on 02/21/2014 1:51:56 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Renegade

I have Yugo SKS and the first time I took it out it double fired. Turns out the firing pin was caked with dried grease.


37 posted on 02/21/2014 1:53:18 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Chuckster

AR-15 with 1/7 twist (i.e., Colt)

you can load up to 77 gr. bullet with no problem in accuracy. A 75+ gr. hollow point will do some serious damage.


38 posted on 02/21/2014 1:55:41 PM PST by Hammerhead
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To: Chuckster

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39 posted on 02/21/2014 1:58:46 PM PST by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: puppypusher
I would go with an AR-15 in 7.62mm,308 Winchester

??? AR-10 length action for the .308 winchester not an AR-15 action.

40 posted on 02/21/2014 2:03:04 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Chuckster
The shotgun, a Mossberg 500 Mariner

Good choice

41 posted on 02/21/2014 2:04:34 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Chuckster

I had a friend from Homer who used a 22-250 to keep his freezer full of moose meat. If you can brain pan em’ it is doable, but I wouldn’t want to irritate brown bears with a .223, not to mention the fact that mini-14s aren’t exactly known for their accuracy. If I planned on spending time in brown bear country, a 338 Win mag in stainless bolt action would be my minimum choice. The wife would have to get educated on the virtues of dependable bolt guns and dangerous game. You might also look into some of the AR-10 type rifles. Some of them are very accurate. I’m pretty sure you can get a Browning, BAR, in 300 win mag, and maybe 338. That would be a good choice. A Remington 7400 might be another, and a 44 carbine wouldn’t be bad for close up work. Never underestimate the virtue of big holes. Talk to Alaskans who spend a lot of time hunting and in the company of big bears.


42 posted on 02/21/2014 2:09:41 PM PST by pallis
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To: Chuckster

You can pick up a Wyndham AR 15 HBC for about $900. We have one ands its extremely accurate as well as lighter than the Bushmaster.

I would think in Brown Bear country the Mini 14 would be to use on yourself in case you are attacked. :-)


43 posted on 02/21/2014 2:11:37 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Chuckster

Check dealers for an M1A scout. It’s a .308. See how the wife handles it. With a five round magazine you’re talking about 50% more weight than the 6 to 7 lb. Ruger. More accuracy, more power, more range. I had short barreled M1A, like the scout, with a folding stock. It was a great shoot from the hip rifle.


44 posted on 02/21/2014 2:25:36 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

There is a new spring set you can get for that problem that will prevent a double tap or full auto if dirty.


45 posted on 02/21/2014 2:30:06 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Chuckster

I bought a Mini-30 about a year ago and love it. Recommend it to anyone.


46 posted on 02/21/2014 2:41:05 PM PST by unixman9627
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To: FAA

7.62 x 39...

cheap plentiful ammo, can drop an sks in a mudpuddle, shake it and shoot it...

lots of special goodies to buy to “spruce” it up too..


47 posted on 02/21/2014 2:45:59 PM PST by joe fonebone (a socialist is just a juvenile communist)
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To: petro45acp

I totally agree! Love my Marlin 30-30. Wouldn’t trade it for anything. For all the reasons you list and several others. And it’s just plain COOL!


48 posted on 02/21/2014 2:52:50 PM PST by Desparado
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To: thackney

Sorry, not from Alaska, but I’ve hunted there and roamed the Alaskan back country and carried a 45-70 Marlin lever gun and Ruger Alaskan in .454 Cassul. There are some big, dangerous critters there. The .223 is a varmint round.


49 posted on 02/21/2014 2:56:06 PM PST by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: Chuckster

My late wife carried a .308 short barrel M1-A with a synthetic stock fitted with a scope and laser pointer. She was 5-2 and 125#.


50 posted on 02/21/2014 3:17:11 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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