Posted on 02/25/2014 8:53:58 AM PST by yoe
I really like that one.
You could get in big trouble by asking a personal question like, “how did you pay for college”?
A senior I know with top grades at a middle-of-the-road HS at best, is being recruited by elite universities for his interests in bio-medical engineering.
That said, it is interesting that "ability to learn" is the key desired attribute. That is exactly what the traditional liberal arts degree was supposed to nurture. Too many of the colleges have devalued their own product. If the pendulum swings back, good.
the top quality it looks for in job candidates is the ability to learn.
The "ability to learn" should be reflected in the acheivement of good grades and high test scores. If not, that is a problem with the grades and test scores. If you take a person who gets all A's, and compare them to a person who gets all C's, you should find that the straight-A student is better at learning than the straight-C student.
It is true that getting perfect grades and test scores is useless for determining if a person can be a good leader, or be a good team worker. It also wouldn't show you if a person would be a good teacher, or be good at welding, or at being a salesperson.
” the ability to intelligently [self-]finance (and motivate) outweighs the rating-number in real-life.”
Well,,,, I do agree with that, but not quite completely. She didn’t need to self-finance, because she was highly self[motivated. But, then again, she is an exception from the norm.
For decades I have pointed out that we put too much emphasis on "leadership" and too little on "followership".
Usually I would get an odd look like I had said something very foolish. This was often from the same people who would fail to cooperate when everything wasn't being done the way they thought it should be. Definitely a failure of "followership" on their part.
I’m not sure if they still do it but Google used to run recruitment ads in the MENSA magazine. Seems to conflict with the general tenor of this story.
That's a pretty big assumption - that someone who worked through med school wouldn't be as good a doctor as someone who just took out more loans.
Also, is it physically possible, time wise, to get through med school and still work? I don't know.
Oh please. Being an extreme leftist will get you a job at Google. They have a different definition of humility.
Sometimes getting good grades just means you have a good memory.
Does memory equal creative intelligence? I would say not necessarily.
““Pretty much describes the Obama administration. People with worthless degrees. Or is it worthless people with degrees. I forget. “
If I remember my ESPN Sports center commercials, the answer is WORTHLESS PEOPLE WITH DEGREES.”
A couple of decades ago, one of our younger relatives coined the phrase, “People with Instant Unemployment Degrees.”
His field is one of hard science re math, physics combined with the reality of the real world.
In the last 5 years, post Obozo, he now says, “Worthless People with Instant Unemployment Degrees.”
If some CEO says IQ is not important in tech jobs, he’s full of fecal matter. Sure, a college degree is not absolutely necessary for certain people who at the age of fifteen probably knew more about tech stuff than their schoolteachers. But to say that a certain basic level of high, native intelligence isn’t needed in those jobs is an outright falsehood.
ditto. This clown is saying attitude matters more than anything else. Bull hockey. Attitude is important, but without the basic native IQ to learn and absorb highly technical matters, the person with a great attitude and a low IQ will fail. Furthermore, I'd like to check the IQs of all those billionaire techies like Gates, Jobs, and the others. I'll bet they're 140 or better.
True to a point. But that's almost beside the point. If you were doing hiring for a tech company, or a bank, or some other concern that needed employees who could work with numbers at a high level, all things being almost equal, would you hire the person with 4.0 in math from MIT or the person with a 2.5 in math from Podunk State College?
You can argue that no two people are exactly the same and it's difficult to compare two separate people in their totality, but I think you'd look more fondly on the person with a 4.0 from MIT.
I've heard it said "There are no stupid questions. However, there ARE inquisitive idiots".
“In a New York Times interview on “How to get a job at Google,” Bock said, shockingly, that “GPAs are worthless as a criteria for hiring, and test scores are worthless. … We found that they don’t predict anything.”
They probably spend their time going to the various Mathematical Olympiads to spot future talent.
Bay Area Mathematical Olympiad http://www.bamo.org/ - 4k - Cached -
We have a young relative who has participated in these events for about 4 years. I have fun watching the non related adults watching the events, scouting the talent and brain pool.
The IBMers were obvious in their suits, the Stanford Professors in their tan Camel Hair sport coats and brown wool pants, the IVY leaguers with two aides to help them maneuver their over grown egos and arrogance, the Chico State profs in their tevas and Bermuda shorts, the Cal Poly guys in Levis and cowboy boots that have never seen a ranch, and the MS hippies and the future Steve Job wanna bee Apples. Last but not least the NSA ers and Spooks from the farm outside of DC.
They get to see the teams and individuals present their projects and compete with other teams. They can take notes or use their smart phones to document what future hires are doing.
By the time these kids mature and get ready for college, the on lookers have a good “book” on their abilities.
Grade inflation has left GPA not all that useful at the high end. And it's effectively illegal to base hiring decisions on test scores, if doing so would result in "adverse impact" against minority applicants.
So no rational company exec is going to admit, these days, that they make hiring decisions on test scores. Doing so would guarantee a colonoscopy from the EEOC.
My son had a business partner who graduated from MIT. Last we knew he was foundering around - all the employees quit after my son bailed. Meanwhile, my son is heavy into his next big thing.
I have a boss who graduated from a podunk school in Portland - and she is probably the smartest, best leader I’ve ever seen. Absolutely brilliant, has a firm but light touch, absorbs high quantities of data that she sorts into logical productive action. On top of that she’s gorgeous and nice - and everyone who works for her loves her....including us women.
So I think your schooling is but one of many factors.
“but I think you’d look more fondly on the person with a 4.0 from MIT. “
I believe that would be David Koch of the Koch brothers.
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