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Epic Fire Marked ‘Beginning of the End’ for Ancient Culture of Cahokia, New Digs Suggest
Western Digs ^ | 9-16-2013 | Blake de Pastino

Posted on 03/01/2014 3:33:14 AM PST by Renfield

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1 posted on 03/01/2014 3:33:14 AM PST by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 03/01/2014 3:33:34 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

So East St. Louis used to be civilized?


3 posted on 03/01/2014 3:40:09 AM PST by 22202NOVA ("Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage." -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: 22202NOVA

Until it was killed off by other indians.


4 posted on 03/01/2014 3:52:43 AM PST by Justa
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To: Renfield

I remember when CE used to be AD. PC run amok will burn down more than this fire ever did.


5 posted on 03/01/2014 4:00:33 AM PST by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: 22202NOVA

LOL


6 posted on 03/01/2014 4:05:10 AM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: printhead

PC is predicated upon a principle of designed ignorance. In the case of CE the question of the origins of the common era are left unspoken. It remains, however, for anyone careful enough to skin the surface, anno domini nostri Jesu Christi “the year of our Lord Jesus Christ.”


7 posted on 03/01/2014 4:48:59 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Renfield

The entire story rests on a relatively small number of artifacts.

I’m not going to engage in speculation, but will simply say that these artifacts are thus far consistent with the theory of civilization developed by Ibn Khaldun. That there is a cycle to civilization. An initial period of ascent, characterized by the flourishing of the economy, of the arts and of sciences, and of military might, when larger and larger revenues are generated from low taxes. Then, a period of decline, characterized by corruption, when smaller revenues are generated from increasing high taxes.

Here is what we know: all throughout the world, wherever there have been men, there is evidence of civilization. In many places, cities and such have been discovered, their associated civilization only known through artifacts. In some other places, we have actual histories that involve the waxing and waning of civilization.

To me, what the sum of this does is affirm my belief that “all men are created,” as we say in our Declaration of Independence. It also speaks to the fragile nature of civilization and that power corrupts.


8 posted on 03/01/2014 5:12:52 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Renfield

fl


9 posted on 03/01/2014 5:26:39 AM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: 22202NOVA
So East St. Louis used to be civilized?

By savages that had to be put down so the Democrats could take over the area.

10 posted on 03/01/2014 5:40:09 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Renfield

The structures destroyed by the fire were never rebuilt, the excavations showed. Meanwhile, other large, important buildings, like distinctive ceremonial “lodges” or houses for local elites, stopped appearing altogether throughout the region. And soon after the fire, a great palisade wall went up around the nearby city center — known to archaeologists as Downtown Cahokia — most likely for protection.

Based on the mass graves filled with young females with cut throats, a case can be made that the Cahokinas behaving like p;resent day Muslims eventually caused the other tribes to kill them off.

No loss to human societal evolution, I’d say.


11 posted on 03/01/2014 6:48:45 AM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

What’s common about the Common Era? Still can’t figure that out. When I read CE, my internal voice says “Christian Era.”


12 posted on 03/01/2014 8:24:01 AM PST by Oratam
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
Thanks Renfield. I think we'd had a topic about this before, but it was a while back.

13 posted on 03/01/2014 12:48:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv; Renfield

Interesting.

Reminiscent of what happened in ancient Crete.


14 posted on 03/01/2014 12:52:17 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SunkenCiv

My family had a troubled relation ship with the Indians for a couple of hundred years.


15 posted on 03/01/2014 1:05:17 PM PST by Little Bill
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16 posted on 03/01/2014 1:17:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv

LOL, I am talking about the hair lifting kind.


17 posted on 03/01/2014 1:30:52 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: Redmen4ever

The fire and the human sacrifice seem to suggest that like the Azetecs, the Cahokians had many enemies. Success made them soft and at some point one or more of their enemies ganged up on them and burned down their civilization.


18 posted on 03/01/2014 2:38:46 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Renfield

Sounds like a conquest occurred. Cahokia and environs got overrun by somebody else.


19 posted on 03/01/2014 6:56:12 PM PST by ThanhPhero (Khách sang La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
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To: Louis Foxwell

When I first saw “CE,” I wondered why the change from “After Christ” to “Christian Era.” I still read it and say it “Christian Era.”


20 posted on 03/01/2014 6:59:21 PM PST by ThanhPhero (Khách sang La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
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