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Adice Needed For Windows XP Upgrade
None ^ | March 2, 2014 | cva66snipe

Posted on 03/01/2014 11:56:11 PM PST by cva66snipe

I have two computers running XP. The most important one to upgrade right now is my desktop. I've gone back and forth trying to decide whether to go with 7 or 8. Furthermore the terminology being used for OS packages adds to the confusion for me. For example Starter, Builder, etc. Here is what my computer has.

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Version 5.1.2600

Service Pack 3 Build 2600

System Manufacturer Dell Inc.

System Model Inspiron 530s

System Type X86-based PC

Processor x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 13

GenuineIntel ~1795 Mhz

BIOS Version/Date Dell Inc. 1.0.12, 3/1/2008

SMBIOS Version 2.5

Available Physical Memory 634.88 MB

Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB

Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB
It's a 32 Bit system

I found a Windows 7 Upgrade disk for over $200. However I need to know if I can go a cheaper route and install a full system package over the XP without having to manually wipe my HD? I know I'll loose my data and I'll back up My Documents so that isn't an issue. Spending money for a Full System OS and it not want to install would be a huge issue.

I have to upgrade with a Disk. Downloading an upgrade or OS is out of the question. I'm on 52K dial up. Would Windows 8.1 full system work? That would get me around the 300MB download. W/7 as much as I would like to have it over W/8 would likely have me doing a couple of days of downloads to bring it up to date.

The last upgrade I did on a computer was W/ME and it was an upgrade disk. Oddly enough a W/8 upgrade disk for previous versions is not to be found in stores in my area just the full system. As I understand it an Upgrade disk is a full system disk.

To further confuse me a tech at a local store said yea W/8.1 would install no problem. But the darn box states not for use with computers with XP or VISTA. Now if that is simply because you would loose your documents etc fine I can work around that part. As I understand it using an Upgrade disk from XP to W8 that's going to happen anyway the Upgrade disk will do a full install wiping all files.

My system is basic a CD/DVD player and I have an external HD for back up and additional storage. A new machine is not afordable for me right now and besides I'd have to puy a dial up modem in it.

Any advice? Thanks.


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1 posted on 03/01/2014 11:56:11 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/upgrade-from-windows-vista-xp-tutorial


2 posted on 03/02/2014 12:03:28 AM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: cva66snipe
Windows 7 vs Windows 8: what’s the best upgrade from XP?
3 posted on 03/02/2014 12:20:01 AM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: RitchieAprile
Thanks. Yea I ran the check you linked to the other night to see if my machine will work on W/8. I'm good to go on it and I have all my disk for other programs. I reckon I'll get an 8.1 Full System disk sometime in the next day or so. I've got pretty good confidence in my machine lasting another 3-4 years. I hope in about two years I can replace the desktop. I almost bought the disk tonight and read the darn box and figured I'd better confirm it can be done.
4 posted on 03/02/2014 12:20:26 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

I always run at least one OS behind - since the bugs are worked out. Thats why I am on XP right now. Will be upgrading to Win 7 in April. Win 8 is a pig - thats why they are trotting out Win 8.1. I won’t be upgrading to Win 8.1, because it is also bound to have bugs.

You need to first check to see that your PCs are Win 7 compatible:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/upgrade-advisor

I can tell you right now, you need minimum 1 Gb physical RAM - 2 Gb is better [about 50 bucks]. But, you also need to find out if the other components of your PCs are compatible. The upgrade advisor will tell you.

Here are some other specs for Win 7:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requirements


5 posted on 03/02/2014 12:25:28 AM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: South40

Thanks that cleared up a few more things for me. The part that has me most puzzled was using the Full System Disk over an upgrade disk and with my connection speed issues I’ll have to go full system disk.


6 posted on 03/02/2014 12:39:56 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

Is this a better investment for $279.00 and $5.00 shipping? Can’t you install your modem card in it?

http://moofi.woot.com/offers/hp-dual-core-i3-desktop-with-1tb-hd-3?utm_campaign=Commission+Junction+-+10836818&utm_source=Commission+Junction+Publisher+-+4068665&utm_medium=affiliate+-+woot.com

Specifications:
Processor: Intel Core i3-3220T (2.8GHz)
3MB Cache
Processor Core: Dual-Core
Memory: 8GB DDR3 (PC3-12800)
Max Memory: 16GB
Memory Slots: 2 (1 occupied)
Graphics: Intel HD 2500
Hard Drive: 1TB SATA (7200rpm)
Optical Drive: SuperMulti DVD±RW
Audio Codec: Integrated Realtek ALC662
Sound: HD 5.1-Channel Support

Or this Dell for $220.00?

Dell Optiplex 755 Intel Core 2 Duo 2300MHz 80Gig HDD 4096mb DVD ROM Windows 7 Professional 32 Bit + 19” LCD Desktop Computer - Refurbished - 755LP-2.3C2-4-80-DVD-7P-9DV

http://www.rakuten.com/prod/dell-optiplex-755-intel-core-2-duo-2300mhz-80gig-hdd-4096mb-dvd-rom/245371123.html


7 posted on 03/02/2014 12:43:01 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: cva66snipe

If you scroll down the page at that Dell link, you will see several desktops with free shipping and prices from $195.00 to $260.00.

http://www.rakuten.com/prod/dell-optiplex-755-intel-core-2-duo-2300mhz-80gig-hdd-4096mb-dvd-rom/245371123.html


8 posted on 03/02/2014 12:50:32 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Lmo56
Yea I've ran it for 7 and 8 the machine can do either. On a 98/2 computer I had the misfortune of upgrading it to W/ME. I kept it about two months and uninstalled it. There was no earthly way to stop it from writing to the HD while trying to do Disk check and Defrag. I tried Safe Mode, primitive start up, closing down all programs, you name it. Then I bought a machine with XP when it came out. No regrets. I've had XP on three machines and only one reformat between them.

I played around with a refurbed machine with 7 on it for about an hour a couple weeks ago. I didn't have any major problems navigating it. As a matter of fact I could buy it for $125. But I'd have to put a modem in and it's only got a 80 GB HD. I'd also be very happy to pay $125 to MS if they would simply re-license XP and support it. That's not going to happen though. LOL

9 posted on 03/02/2014 12:50:57 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: ansel12

Money’s too tight right now. I trust my machine as well as I would a refurb. Granted all machines eventually crash beyond repair but even my old 98/2 will still boot up. I use it sometimes to copy CD to CD. I’ve looked a refurbs at Dell and $220 would upgrade my desktop this month and laptop next month. Thanks for the info.


10 posted on 03/02/2014 1:00:26 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

Why do you need to upgrade the OS?

What programs and stuff do you need this computer for that you can’t live without?

Do you have a Linux live disc?

I am not sure you have enough memory to run Windows 7 or 8. It might be okay to keep XP and load up Linux when you go online.


11 posted on 03/02/2014 1:01:28 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: cva66snipe

As far as a modem goes, doesn’t this take care of that for $15.00?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Wintec-FileMate-56k-USB-Modem-CX/15074369?action=product_interest&action_type=title&placement_id=irs_middle&strategy=PWVAV&visitor_id=68805601618&category=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A126297%3A1074144&client_guid=58593232-b25e-4e9f-843f-9bd36265ca33&config_id=0&parent_item_id=21978139&guid=564cbfac-5230-4466-91b6-1991f2b7cc61&bucket_id=irsbucketdefault&findingMethod=p13n


12 posted on 03/02/2014 1:02:45 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ShadowAce

did anyone ping SA?


13 posted on 03/02/2014 1:08:23 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: cva66snipe
Just a few thoughts.

You'll need more memory for 7 or 8. Something like this:

http://www.crucial.com/upgrade/Dell-memory/Inspiron+Desktops+/Inspiron+530s-upgrades.html

For basic operation, Win7 Starter with 2GB memory is a reasonable choice. It is missing some bells and whistles, but Starter is lean enough that it is adequately fast even on low-powered netbooks. Run the Windows 7 compatibility checker linked in a post above to make sure it will work with your system.

If you want to spend no money at all, and you can get by with a Firefox browser, Thunderbird email client, and LibreOffice word processing/spreadsheet/etc., the modern Linux operating systems (e.g. Ubuntu, Mint) are a hell of a lot easier to install and use than they used to be.

14 posted on 03/02/2014 1:08:49 AM PST by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: cva66snipe
Do yourself a big favor and get away from Windows and all the viruses and malwared that comes with it, not to mention the expense of making it safe.
Check out Apple Certified Refurbished Computers, and if you swant to transfer yopur old files and Windows XP, then check out Parallels for Mac. Look, I've been running Windows since I first got a computer in 1981, and after 30 of air traffic control and 26 years of the military, I finally learned that all my friends had been right about Apple.
Yes, I keep my old files around and have easy access to them.
Yes, learning Mac/Apple Operating System takes a small amount of adjustment, and getting use to.
But it's one of the best things I've every done, and in the long run, it's saved me money on computer software, not having to do all those purchases for updates for new versions of Windows, as well as all the supplement programs you need to make it internet safe.
Check it out, and transfer your old hard drives to an external hard drive.
You can use your old license key to load Windows XP onto your new Apple/iMac, since you won't be using that old computer any more.

P.S. I love my 27-inch screen.
15 posted on 03/02/2014 1:16:38 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: GeronL
Why do you need to upgrade the OS?

Win XP [and also MS Office 2003] are losing MS support as of April 8. That means no more patches and updates for vulnerabilities found in the OS and software.

Continuing to run XP and Office 2003 after April opens yourself wide open to hacker attacks ...

16 posted on 03/02/2014 1:17:28 AM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

I suggested keeping XP and simply using a free Linux distro to surf online. Easy and free.


17 posted on 03/02/2014 1:20:27 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: cva66snipe
???
You know a DSL connection ($14.95) is cheaper today than Dial-up ($29.95), as well as being much MUCH faster, don't you.
18 posted on 03/02/2014 1:22:42 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: GeronL
Why do you need to upgrade the OS?

Security updates stop next month. I access some legitimate sites that I do business with I just assume not have my info hacked. That and the fact the browser compatibility with them is getting a tad bit difficult sometimes.

What programs and stuff do you need this computer for that you can’t live without?

Printer, access to Humana's website, the drug store, a few medical specialty supply venues, access to take care of other personal business.

Do you have a Linux live disc?

No.

I am not sure you have enough memory to run Windows 7 or 8. It might be okay to keep XP and load up Linux when you go online.

For what I do 7 or 8 should work. I tried a Linux disk once. I could not for the life of me figure out how to get it to work with dial up. For that matter I have an old Compaq with XP on it I could put Linux on but unless I could go on line what's the point?

19 posted on 03/02/2014 1:24:20 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

Personal preference being what it is (a matter of opinion) I prefer Windows 7 over Windows 8 hands down. I just don’t like 8 and I know I am not alone in that assessment. Again. personal preference.


20 posted on 03/02/2014 1:26:48 AM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: TChad; cva66snipe

or run Linux from a USB drive and continue to enjoy XP offline


21 posted on 03/02/2014 1:27:19 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: cva66snipe

true


22 posted on 03/02/2014 1:28:48 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: cva66snipe

My advice: Keep what you have or buy a new computer.


23 posted on 03/02/2014 1:28:54 AM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: Yosemitest
??? You know a DSL connection ($14.95) is cheaper today than Dial-up ($29.95), as well as being much MUCH faster, don't you

Yep. I also know I'm a good 8 cable miles from the Ma Bell Central Office. COMCAST stops a quarter mile away. Cell signals are hit and miss. I'm in a rural area. Rural enough to have a well. The only reason I can even get 52K is because I live a half mile from Telco's SLICK System. Hughesnet? Not likely. I'm on the north slope of a high ridge behind me. I can't even get local TV signals. So I'm stuck paying for two land lines right now. My only option {at major cost} would be a four wire data circuit.

24 posted on 03/02/2014 1:34:03 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

Rather than help you spend money on an OS that will give you no appreciable benefit, I have to ask, Why do you think you need to upgrade your 1.8ghz Pentium Dual Core (E2160)/ < 1 GB ram? If you are connected to the internet with a 56k modem, what could you possibly be doing with your XP system that requires you to contemplate 200 USD to upgrade the OS? My point is that if you can’t describe a reason to upgrade then you don’t need to upgrade and spend money that you don’t have.

If you upgrade, you will be required to do a clean install. You will have to reinstall all your programs and files. Unless you need the OS upgrade in order to perform productive work, you are wasting your time and money upgrading.

If you are too broke to buy a new computer, but you are willing to drop 200 USD on an OS, then you haven’t considered buying a USED computer for under 200 USD. If you live in the US then you can find systems monumentally better than what you have for less than 200 USD. In addition, you can keep your current system active until you’ve adjusted to full time use on the newly purchased computer.

What you need is a knowledgeable friend.

I am not even going to suggest which OS version would be best for you. Talk to a neighbor, call a friend, hit up the kid down the street. Whatever you do, don’t start spending money on a computer that was built in 2007 unless you can provide a compelling argument.

The processor you have is a good processor, and the motherboard supports up to 4 GB of DDR2 RAM (4 x 1GB modules), a PCI-E x16 slot for a dedicated graphics card, but only a 250 W Power Supply. For about 60-80 USD you can find 2 x 1GB DDR2 ram and and something like an Nvidia GT 620 graphics card (any card that has low power requirements and low profile bracket to fit your case). If you NEED to upgrade, you will see a world of difference with these upgrades.

I actually have exactly what you need sitting right next to me. I’d give the ram and video card to anyone who needed them for FREE! You need to find someone like me in your neighborhood. Call your friends and family and get some computer enthusiast to set you up right.


25 posted on 03/02/2014 1:39:05 AM PST by champie
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To: Yosemitest

BTW I use ISP.COM. Monthly unlimited dial up is $10.99.


26 posted on 03/02/2014 1:39:55 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe
As I understand it using an Upgrade disk from XP to W8 that's going to happen anyway the Upgrade disk will do a full install wiping all files.

Yes. It's the same if you upgrade XP to Windows 7.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/help/upgrading-from-windows-xp-to-windows-7#T1=tab01

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/upgrade-from-windows-vista-xp-tutorial

W/7 as much as I would like to have it over W/8 would likely have me doing a couple of days of downloads to bring it up to date.

Just leave it on all night. The initial updates only have to be done once. You may have to install plenty of updates for your antivirus program, too, though this is not a problem with some AVs, e.g. Webroot SecureAnywhere.

27 posted on 03/02/2014 1:41:13 AM PST by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: GeronL
or run Linux from a USB drive and continue to enjoy XP offline

Do you mean a dual-boot setup, or Wubi, or running Linux in a VM, or what?

28 posted on 03/02/2014 1:52:07 AM PST by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: TChad

I’m old fashion, I literally mean shut down and reboot into Linux from a USB.

:p


29 posted on 03/02/2014 1:53:26 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: cva66snipe
MaBell is still cheaper on DSL and that comes through a landline phone.
You've heard of Satellite Internet and TV service, haven't you?
Check out this review online, Best Satellite Internet Providers in 2014.

I live way out in the sticks also, and I'm at the end of the phone line for phone service from a small town 30 miles away.
My next door neighbor, about 700 feet south of me, is on a landline from a smaller town 25 miles west of us.
And cell phone service out here is, you go out in the yard and walk around until you get one or two bars of signal before you even try to connect to make a call.
I've got DSL Internet over AT&T and I've got satellite TV, and they're both well worth the monthly fee.
30 posted on 03/02/2014 1:54:25 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: cva66snipe
You should still ask your service provider about DSL service.
You can probably get a faster modem that's wireless when you switch, for little or no money.
Then that's one less connection, the phone line, that you have to worry about lightening following in on, and frying your computer.
31 posted on 03/02/2014 1:57:19 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: champie
The desktop has 2 GB Ram. I ordered a custom build when I bought it. The laptop has 4 GB. 8.1 Full System is $119 USD that includes the disk. If I went with Pro $169 was the price I saw tonight. But I see no reason for Pro for my use.

Security is my main concern & reason for doing the upgrade as in such things as bank account etc. That and browsing compatibility. My cell carriers website doesn't like IE8 nor Firefox. Other than that it doesn't matter to me.

32 posted on 03/02/2014 2:03:24 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe
Have you tried Opera browser ?
33 posted on 03/02/2014 2:06:02 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: GeronL
I literally mean shut down and reboot into Linux from a USB.

I have been meaning to try that with my new USB3 drive. The read and write speeds are spectacular.

Good night.

34 posted on 03/02/2014 2:11:57 AM PST by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: cva66snipe

windows 8 upgrade from windows xp is not supported by Microsoft. My windows 8 upgrade from windows xp crashed early in February the computer place is trying to fix the issue. just letting you know. windows 7 is working fine


35 posted on 03/02/2014 2:16:10 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: cva66snipe

As soon as I posted I saw a bunch of replies while I was typing. Regarding security, I would never question someone’s requirement for a secure OS. I have a clearer understanding now.

My apologies for being so emphatic about finding someone local to help you out. I was wrong to assume that you didn’t have the situation comfortably in your control.

I have a home built system from the same era (2007) but with some upgrades including Win 7. If it is running well and you’ve invested as much as you intend in hardware, then I think you will be meet all your needs and be satisfied with the OS upgrade for the near future.

Again, apologies for not giving appropriate advice in my previous comment.


36 posted on 03/02/2014 2:19:36 AM PST by champie
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To: cva66snipe

I have XP systems that will remain XP systems until the silicon smolders. It’s just not worth the time, annoyances, and risk of overlaying an OS upgrade.

Save your pennies for a new system and possibly Win9 rumored to be out next year.

The OS updates are important, but you can by time with A/V software like malwarebytes.

BTW, I’m trying to move over to Win8.1 from Win7, but just don’t have the time despite the time I log @ FR.

FWIW, I have pro h/w on XP, dev workstations on Win7, Macs, Win2008R2, Win2003, 3 variants of Linux (some enterprise), 8 OS instances virtualized, PXE based install capability, etc... And I’m still happy to say, my XP hardware will remain XP hardware for quite a while.


37 posted on 03/02/2014 2:24:05 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: cva66snipe

I don’t know everything about your situation, but I can’t believe it would be worth the time and cost of upgrading your computer. There is a big chance it might not work as smoothly as you hope.

Keep your computer OS as it is.

If you decide to stay with windows on your next computer, I recommend a program called “classic shell” which will give the newest windows 8.1 an interface just like windows 7, with the start menu and boot to desktop.
It’s free and takes 2 minutes to install.


38 posted on 03/02/2014 2:31:11 AM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Yosemitest
I live way out in the sticks also, and I'm at the end of the phone line for phone service from a small town 30 miles away. My next door neighbor, about 700 feet south of me, is on a landline from a smaller town 25 miles west of us. And cell phone service out here is, you go out in the yard and walk around until you get one or two bars of signal before you even try to connect to make a call. I've got DSL Internet over AT&T and I've got satellite TV, and they're both well worth the monthly fee.

Somewhere close to you likely within 5 miles is a fiber optic line and a mini central office which may just look like a big cabinet on the side of the road. The phone cable in my area is 36 years old as is the SLICK Cabinet. The only way DSL would be in this area is IF AT&T ran a Fiber Optic cable to the SLICK. Thus line loss is eliminated.

AT&T for the most part is not doing upgrades. I talked to a lineman a couple weeks ago. AT&T is basically at this point keeping what they have operational until the cell grid is built up to take over or the over the power grid transmission gets the bugs worked out. Data is already being transmitted on the power grid but only for utility use right now.

My dad worked on Data circuits for Ma Bell up into the early 1990's. To run a data circuit takes balancing coils at specified intervals which must not exceed certain noise levels etc from the customer back to the Central Office.

AT&T's service is no better than the equipment in your neighborhood. Most upgrades in places like rural areas came before AT&T began buying up other the Bells like Bellsouth etc. Once AT&T bought it that was it.

Before AT&T bought Bellsouth you would see a Bellsouth van just about every time you went somewhere. Today under AT&T even in a large city you'll see maybe one a day. The Baby Bells or the older ones who split form AT&T at the mandated split carried far higher standards of upkeep. I've seen pedestals along the side of the road siting wide open wires hanging out.

39 posted on 03/02/2014 2:33:28 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: GeronL; cva66snipe

You can use Linux and create a non-networked VirtualBox XP install for your windows needs. That requires extra memory and a bit of tech skills, though.


40 posted on 03/02/2014 2:34:52 AM PST by Moose Burger
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To: cva66snipe
Maybe so, but AT&T ran optic fiber cable for landlines 2 years ago, here, and I've got e-6 cable-line from the house to the road about 500 ft away.
I think the closest SLICK cabinet is about 5 milesaway.
I driven a fair amount of Tenn, but I don't know what town or city is close to you, so you could think about moving.
But if you're like me and living on family homesteaded land that's been in the family for over 100 years, you wouldn't even think about moving.
41 posted on 03/02/2014 2:45:18 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
The Fiber Optic is why you have DSL. It can't be done over regular line cable beyond three miles. The cable in my area came about in large part because my dad got royally PO'd about the old paper insulated Aeriel cable that went out each rain.

Back in the late 1970's I was flying home from Norfolk to Knoxville and a plane crashed in Atlanta. He didn't know I was on a Piedmoont Turbo Prop making five stops in North Carolina and as usual it was late.

Well the phone started ringing and wouldn't stop even off the hook. Dad finally had enough and jerked it off the wall and proceeded to beat it to a pulp with a sledge hammer. Next day he took it to work in a small box and handed it to his boss LOL. He was working inside back then. He eventually went to the Public Service Commission and an underground cable was put in and a SLICK System.

I live in a rural area about 20 miles north of Knoxville. My families been in the area since the late 1700's so I reckon I'm staying :>}

42 posted on 03/02/2014 3:02:34 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

I just did a Win 7 fresh install on an XP machine. Win 7 will do an amazing amount of service updates, it’s well over 100 of them. I’d advise taking the computer to somewhere where the internet service is better than 56K to down load the bulk of the updates.


43 posted on 03/02/2014 4:17:43 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: cva66snipe

Keep in mind that to (legally) upgrade two computers, you will have to buy two copies of Win 7/8. You would also have to buy one or two copies of a newer version of Office if you’re worried about those.

A 56Kb modem line is going to seriously hurt when it’s time to get all those security updates. I just reinstalled Windows 7 on my laptop along with Office 2007 (and Visual Studio, which you probably don’t have to worry about), and I’ll bet I had to download over a Gigabyte of upgrades, most of them security related.

Given your situation (money’s tight, no high-speed Internet), you really should give Linux a try first. Get yourself a “Live CD” version of some distribution (I would recommend Mint Linux) and give it a try. They will sell you a Live CD for $5.95, if you can’t find a copy some other way.

Note that you don’t have to make any changes to your existing system to try it out. Just boot from the CD (you might have to get into the BIOS at power-up to tell the computer to boot from the CD instead of the hard drive).

Also, much of the major software you would be using (Firefox for web surfing, LibreOffice for documents/spreadsheets/presentations) are also available on Windows, so you could try them out on your Windows machines.

(Quick aside: On several occasions, I have “rescued” corrupt Microsoft Word documents by opening them in LibreOffice, and then saving them again. LibreOffice isn’t perfectly compatible with Microsoft Office, but sometimes it’s better.)

One final comment: there is software available for Linux, called “Wine” that can run hundreds (thousands?) of Windows applications in Linux. If you have a particular Windows-only program or two that you can’t live without, you might find that those packages will run using Wine.

Good luck!

http://www.linuxmint.com

http://www.libreoffice.org

http://www.winehq.org


44 posted on 03/02/2014 4:37:07 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: cva66snipe

You can buy a number of decent off-lease computers with Windows 7 already installed for well under two hundred bucks. I have several of them. One company is GearXS, though a lot of their systems are loaded with Linux, so pick carefully.


45 posted on 03/02/2014 4:51:21 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: cva66snipe
Your equipment is old. Upgrading is really not the way to go.

Buy a new system(s) and transfer the data to the new hardware. It is a little more work, but a better solution.

Manufacturers pay so much less for the license than you, that the hardware cost is less in the overall scheme of things

Built into both Windows 7 and 8 is a utility called Windows Easy Transfer. It will move your files and settings to the new hardware. Use an external hard drive to copy the data from the old to the new.

Your real decision is between windows 7 and 8 and the version. You really don't need the professional version, so the home version should work in your situation. Windows 8 can be made more user friendly by installing one of the free utilities that bring back the start button and the program menu. Two I have used are; Start Menu 8 from Iobit (www.iobit.com) and Classic Shell (www.download.com)

46 posted on 03/02/2014 5:01:28 AM PST by johncatl (...governs least, governs best.)
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To: cva66snipe

ont orget eboot he omputer.


47 posted on 03/02/2014 5:20:18 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: cva66snipe

I upgraded my laptop from Windows XP to Ubuntu a couple months ago.

It was free and my PC is really fast compared to XP.

At start up I can boot up into either XP or Ubuntu.


48 posted on 03/02/2014 5:30:18 AM PST by AlbertWang
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49 posted on 03/02/2014 5:31:03 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: cva66snipe
Whenever possible, do a clean install instead of an upgrade - there are always some glitches with an upgrade, especially with a system that has been running, and presumably had some "tweaks" done over a period of time.

Other than that, I'm happy with 7, but some folks have told me that 8.1 is nice with the desktop option in effect. I would guess either 7 or 8.1, whichever you can get the best deal on.

50 posted on 03/02/2014 5:40:06 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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