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China’s Got a Supergun: Beijing’s new infantry weapon is cheaper and simpler than the American..
War is Boring ^ | March 5, 2014 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 03/05/2014 5:43:50 AM PST by C19fan

China’s got a high-tech new gun that combines a rifle and grenade launcher. The ZH-05 Objective Individual Combat Weapon fires “smart” explosives that can kill enemies hiding behind cover.

If this sounds familiar, it’s because the Pentagon has been working on a similar concept. The ZH-05 is yet another Chinese weapon based on a Western design. But this time, the copy could be as good as the original.

(Excerpt) Read more at medium.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: banglist; china; infantry; rifle
China saved weight by using a bolt action system. Talk about old school.
1 posted on 03/05/2014 5:43:50 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan
You mean like this?:

This has been in our inventory since the early 60's.

2 posted on 03/05/2014 5:47:39 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: C19fan

granades are so much better... I am surprised anyone even bothers using bullets in combat anymore.


3 posted on 03/05/2014 5:51:25 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: C19fan
But it weighs 4 pounds less because of the bolt action!

The article is laughable. A single shot bolt action shotgun weighs less than my 10 +1 semi-auto shotgun, but I know which I would rather carry regardless of it's weight. I'm sure the bolt action would cost less as well.

4 posted on 03/05/2014 5:53:25 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: C19fan
During WW2, the Germans developed very good tanks, like the Tiger. Unfortunately for them, it was so expensive to make that the Germans could only field a few of them. Meanwhile, the Russians focused on developing tanks that were easy and cheap to make, so each Tiger tank had to face multiple Russian tanks. We saw who won that.

The Chinese focus is on making things cheaply enough that they can give one to every one of their troops.

5 posted on 03/05/2014 5:53:59 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: C19fan

The weapon they’re talking about is an advancement, but it is not a game changer, for the Chinese or for the US. Should this weapon get deployed I believe you will see the soldier’s personal armor change rapidly.

I can envision a lighweight, nanotube body jacket along with a complementary helmet cover that will significantly minimize the value of this “over cover” firing weapon.

The cat and mouse game goes on.


6 posted on 03/05/2014 5:59:49 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: Obadiah
I can envision a lighweight, nanotube body jacket along with a complementary helmet cover that will significantly minimize the value of this “over cover” firing weapon.

The uLEO's just popped a woodie.

7 posted on 03/05/2014 6:12:34 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: C19fan

Great, now they can hunt feral cats around corners.


8 posted on 03/05/2014 6:12:41 AM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: Obadiah

Nope.

Picture that plus a range finder plus a computer control system for smart rounds.

Point at the target, choose whether you want the round to explode exactly at that distance or a set distance in front or behind.

If a gunman is behind a barricade, you range the baracade, set detonation 2 meters further away and then fire above the barricade fragging anything behind it. You can do the same thing with a window. See a group of people, you can deliver a frag that detonates right in the middle of the group. See a tent, you can shoot the grenade through the wall and detonate inside. See a fox hole, detonate a frag right above it.

In my day if you were dug in, almost nothing could get you. This weapon system is a game changer.


9 posted on 03/05/2014 6:13:58 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: Obadiah

Except this weapon system is nearly ready to go, maybe even deployable now. Nanotubes/graphine are still in the lab.


10 posted on 03/05/2014 6:17:22 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: Obadiah; TexasFreeper2009

No they are talkign aobut this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdrWIq8WyQQ


11 posted on 03/05/2014 6:17:46 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: PapaBear3625

Not to mention the Tigers were maintanance queens, too heavy for most European bridges, prone to get stuck in mud, and so often abandoned by their crews.

Only the Panther series saw use after the war. In that sense, the Panther was a superior tank to the Tiger series.

Tigers also had to face multiple US Sherman M3 series with the same outcome as with the Russian T-34 series.


12 posted on 03/05/2014 6:21:22 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Thanks. Yeah, that’s why I followed up with my comments in post #6.


13 posted on 03/05/2014 6:31:53 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: dangerdoc

Okay, if it’s a game changer, then how did the Chinese get the technology in near real-time from us? What are we not being told about Chinese hacking?


14 posted on 03/05/2014 6:34:53 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: dangerdoc

I swear just a few weeks ago, I read an article about a similar US weapon in development....and actually test deployed in Afghanistan right now.

Honestly, some things are too complicated for combat. This type of thing might be good if you are trying to kill a sole sniper or something like that. But in a firefight? All the time spent ranging and adjusting rounds, and ‘fiddling’ with the weapon, instead of looking at the enemy could be a problem.

If I recall the article, the troop reviews of the US version are more positive than I thought they would be...so I may be over-emphasizing the ‘hassle factor’. But we seem to have similar technology, and I don’t think it will change the face of warfare.


15 posted on 03/05/2014 6:41:17 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Obadiah
then how did the Chinese get the technology in near real-time from us?

Clinton made the Chinese pay for technology, Hussein Obama, America's first Muslim President is giving it to them for free. That is what Muslim traitors do, they are working to destroy the superpowers and newbie's by feeding them enough to destroy each other.

OR are you still waiting for the Presstitutes to tell you why Hussein Obama lied about Benghazi?

16 posted on 03/05/2014 6:44:41 AM PST by politicianslie (To fool Americans, you only have to fool the presstittues. Hussein Obama cares less what YOU think.)
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To: Durus

I think, the way I’m reading the article, only the grenade launcher portion of the weapon is bolt action.


17 posted on 03/05/2014 6:46:06 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Obadiah

Probably because the Chinese already manufacture all of the components.

When the the project was developed, the components would have been considered exotic but they are now found in commodity products.

Laser range finder, look in the golf store, made in China.

Micro processors, look at your smartphone, made in China.

Miniture gyroscopes, g sensors, etc., all found in smartphones, again being made in China.

I’d be a little surprised if the smart rounds we use aren’t using components sourced from some region in Asia.

China has a backwards political system, their engineers are first rate.

Not only are all of the components commodity products, with the mass production for smartphones, they are Cheap!


18 posted on 03/05/2014 6:48:18 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: Obadiah

Probably by reading any of the numerous articles on our system. I mean it’s state of the art for deployed weaponry, but nothing *that* advanced where the basic electronics haven’t been around for years.

Fired a friend’s Chinese AK-47 clone (sadly it fell into a lake along with my entire arsenal, kinda sucks to have a boating accident like that and all). Damn, it was a nice piece; we call(ed) it ‘The Wok’, or Honorable Wok’ - rather interesting that something so damn cheap worked so well.


19 posted on 03/05/2014 6:49:35 AM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: C19fan

Yeah, but do they have LGBTQPBETCWTFEVER in their armed forces!?


20 posted on 03/05/2014 6:53:11 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: lacrew

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM25_CDTE

“However, the Senate Armed Services Committee eliminated all funding for the XM25 in its revision of the Pentagon’s budget in June 2013.”


21 posted on 03/05/2014 6:53:14 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: lacrew

I don’t know if every soldier will have one, it may be a squad weapon but even if every soldier has one, it comes mounted on a normally functioning rifle.

I’ve only been in two fire fights. They went something like this somebody fires, then everybody fires and scrambles. Then the firing slows or stops until people get oriented then then firing picks back up as both sides start orienting for an advantage.

The rifle portion would work just fine for the first stage. The grenades would be useful for the later stages.

I suspect it would be deployed as a squad weapon because I don’t think you would want to burden the entire squad with the extra weight.

As far as complexity, I think most guys would set it up the way they would use it the most frequently so use would be just hitting the range finder followed by pulling the trigger.


22 posted on 03/05/2014 6:59:25 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: C19fan
More info

Better pics of the ZH-05 OICW (which is part of China's 'Integrated Combat System' for its soldiers, basically a copy of the Army's 'Land Warrior' concept):


23 posted on 03/05/2014 7:10:27 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: PapaBear3625

While the Chinese military gets its equipment from Harbor Freight, I am reminded that Stalin said that “quantity has a quality all its own.”


24 posted on 03/05/2014 7:34:53 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

Harbor Freight sells stuff, which is originally made in China, Mostly anyway.

Just saying.

We are the ones buying from Harbor Freight.


25 posted on 03/05/2014 7:42:40 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: theBuckwheat

The thing that scares me about the Chinese is yes the worst quality stuff comes from there but some of the best is also being made there.

They don’t make junk because they can’t make better.

International companies can get quality goods manufacturing from design to mass production in a matter of weeks to months.


26 posted on 03/05/2014 8:00:38 AM PST by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: Obadiah

>>What are we not being told about Chinese hacking?<<

There is money in wars. Lot’s of it, that’s why the money men love it so much. Industry prospers and people are gainfully employed. Think of everything that it takes to fight a war, from bullets to bacon, spices to sutures, X-ray machines to X boxes and everything in between.

The Chinese are being force fed everything needed to fight a war by the money men. There’s no need to steal ideas when there’s people willing to finance your industries.


27 posted on 03/06/2014 2:47:53 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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