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1 posted on 03/07/2014 8:10:06 AM PST by Borges
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I disliked Shakespeare in general but I really loathed Chaucer. I prefer the likes of Melville, Milton, and Hawthorne.


2 posted on 03/07/2014 8:12:20 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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My own pet peeve...plays were meant to be acted out, not read. A few skilled actors can turn “boring” Shakespeare into “great” Shakespeare.


4 posted on 03/07/2014 8:19:08 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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My son was reciting Shakespeare the other day for a class presentation.

I told him to use it to woo the babes. I think that it was the first time he had heard the term woo. But he got my point.

My wife looked at me as if I had worms crawling out of my ears. She still thinks of my son as a little baby.


5 posted on 03/07/2014 8:19:08 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Borges
Lawrence Durrell was the last great writer in English Literature.

Great Art ended when the Renaissance ended. Everything else since then is mostly crap.

The reason kids groan is due to poor teachers, who do not know how to make literature exciting and interesting - Chaucer being a case in point.

Teach them how to draw the human form correctly, teach them how to write in Old and Middle English. Bring back Latin and Greek so they can read the originals by Aristotle and Julius Caesar. Hell, just teach them English, spelling, cursive writing, and grammar (as well as a good grounding in history, basic science, and basic math - without a calculator!).

Good teachers can make even the most putatively dull or boring subject matter interesting and exciting, making the kids want to learn.

Knowledge is power, ignorance merely makes a good socialist voter.

8 posted on 03/07/2014 8:36:20 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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i think all kids should be required to read harry potter and when they’re in junior high, 50 shades of gray...doesn’t everyone? /sarcasm

what they should be reading is ayn rand


10 posted on 03/07/2014 8:41:51 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Borges

Both. But make it clear that some are classics in the truest sense, while the others have potential but have not lived long enough to have established their bona fides.


13 posted on 03/07/2014 8:48:06 AM PST by IronJack
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To: Borges
I suppose I wouldn't make a good English teacher, but the fact is that many of the great works are so because they were innovative, that is, Poe in mysteries, Melville in incorporating play dialogue format, that sort of thing. For a student without a context in literary history they prove not to be the best examples of their kind, and it isn't obvious to the student why they're so great if in fact somebody else developed the form better later.

Nearly all of my own appreciation of great pieces of literature came from "circling back", that is, considering the work after I'd built up a context and understood the language and the issues being addressed from my own life experience. Shakespeare was like that - "how sharper than a serpent's tooth / to have a thankless child" meant nothing to me at 12. Like a joke, it loses its punch if you have to have the references explained.

About the best thing you can do for an individual student is treat him or her as an individual, each at a different stage of understanding. That doesn't translate well to assembly-line classrooms. It does translate well to a tutor/pupil relationship, which is why the Brits enjoyed such success with that model. It isn't very economical, to be sure, but it's cheaper than failure.

16 posted on 03/07/2014 8:50:55 AM PST by Billthedrill
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And some teachers at Stevenson High School in Lincolnshire replaced Kafka with "Life of Pi," a novel written in (gasp) 2001.

Ugh. The Trial and The Castle are important books to read considering the current state of the world. Add 1984, Animal Farm, Atlas Shrugged, and Harrison Bergeron.

My kids are babies still, but they will be taught classic literature.
18 posted on 03/07/2014 8:54:27 AM PST by needmorePaine
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19 posted on 03/07/2014 8:58:11 AM PST by verga
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The best thing about Shakespeare is the universal themes. Change the costumes, location, and date and Romeo and Juliet becomes West Side Story. The Tempest becomes Forbidden planet. And if you really want a stretch Henry V becomes Seven Samurai, which becomes The Magnificent Seven.


22 posted on 03/07/2014 9:05:32 AM PST by verga
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Why does reading have to be miserable? What teen girl wants to read Silas Marner? If you don’t have something to get kids engaged, what good does it do other than give kids a distaste for reading?


31 posted on 03/07/2014 9:49:22 AM PST by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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My son is a freshman in high school IB program and he is currently reading The Odyssey and they are reading Romeo & Juliet next.


48 posted on 03/07/2014 12:06:49 PM PST by representativerepublic (...loose lips, sink ships)
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Guess there’s really no point in studying the history and evolution of English in an English class.

If they want “the same themes”, why don’t they just read comic books.


49 posted on 03/07/2014 12:10:04 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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My 8th grader is reading Romeo & Juliet. 5th grader reading Where the Red Fern Grows.


54 posted on 03/07/2014 1:23:49 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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Mostly classics, and here’s why, “classical, Christian education teaches children to think clearly and to love beauty and the past. Countless books by Christian educators are flooding publishers and websites because classical, Christian education nurtures children into life-long learners.”

I say mostly, because there are some moderns that are very influential and also need to be read, such as G.K. Chesterton, or C.S. Lewis, or William Bradford, or, John Bunyan.


60 posted on 03/13/2014 3:26:15 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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arguing that their selections impart the same themes and skills,

Except that they don't.

I will always remember the time my friend's son was moaning about the fact that he had to read some stupid thing called "Beowulf". I asked him what he thought of the monster attacking and eating the warriors. Were the sneak attacks a sign of the monster's evil or of it's cunning?

Monster? People get eaten? Cool!

You have to know how to get kids interested in stuff.

Maybe you could substitute "Life of Pi" for "Robinson Crusoe", maybe. But for Macbeth? Not even in the same category.

64 posted on 03/14/2014 9:52:23 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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