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Campaign to save dog in Arizona mauling (Dogs of Peace-Facebook pro pitbull fans support dog)
ap.org ^ | March 16, 2014 | Terry Tang

Posted on 03/17/2014 1:47:38 PM PDT by ransomnote

PHOENIX (AP) — A dog that mauled a 4-year-old Phoenix boy has received thousands of pleas for mercy through a Facebook campaign ahead of a court hearing to decide his fate.

A municipal court judge could rule at a March 25 hearing on whether Mickey, a pit bull that bit Kevin Vicente in the face, should be euthanized. Kevin received injuries that will require, according to doctors, months and possibly years of reconstructive surgeries.

Since the Feb. 20 attack, Mickey has become the object of a Facebook page that has gotten more than 40,000 likes and an online petition to spare his life.

Supporters say the campaign doesn't mean they value the dog's life above the child's.

"This is not Kevin versus Mickey," said attorney John Schill, who is representing the dog in the court petition. "Having Mickey killed is not going to take away Kevin's pain or injuries. The only thing this is going to do is kill a poor, innocent dog."

Pit bulls are viewed by some as a dangerous breed, a reputation their fans dispute.

SNIP

"I just looked at all this as this could have been my son, and I don't want it to be someone else," Villa said.

Schill said he is working pro bono at the request of The Lexus Project, a nonprofit that collects money to legally defend canines in danger of being euthanized. The organization has set up a trust for Mickey that has received more than $5,600, he said.

Schill said the person watching Kevin while his mother was at work should be held responsible.

"But for adults involved, this never would have happened," Schill said. "They're trying to put all the blame on Mickey."

(Excerpt) Read more at bigstory.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: attack; maul; mauling; pitbull; propaganda
Pitbull defenders describe the dog as "poor, innocent." Personally my compassion goes to the little boy in the picture with his face bandaged and probably some PTSD.

Facebook fans claim the pitbull that ripped the kid apart is not to blame. "But for adults involved, this never would have happened," Schill said. "They're trying to put all the blame on Mickey." I am trying to imagine the adults involved ripping a child apart with their teeth and I still can't. The propaganda that these dogs have an unfair "bad rap" convinces some people to trust the dogs more than they should. Their friends or neighbors scoff at their concerns and tell them to ingore warnings from others because it's just ignorance. Then a kid is mauled and suddenly it's not the dog's fault, it's ONLY the fault people who believed the hype and the dog is the victim?

They also got a pit nutter psychologist to stress pro pit bull talking points. Like I'd respect a pitbull nutter because he has a psychology degree?

I think any dog (regardless of breed) that mauled a child like that should be put down. This isn't just a dog bite, it's years of constructive surgery on the kid's face. The dog was chained. That's known to agravate them. The child picked up a bone from the ground - that could aggravate a dog. But c'mon, mauling? I think that pit nutters always excuse the dog 100% when they read that it was chained up. Oh I hold the owner responsible for this too but then no one is suggesting the owner be euthanized. What is not said is that it's likely the owner became increasingly unsure of his/her/their ability to anticipate or control the dog's agression when they didn't chain it up, and maybe some experience with the dog's surprising ability to break out of kennels, homes, cars etc. A violatile breed with a record of killing more people than all other breeds combined and/so they chained it up and what, hope for the best?

1 posted on 03/17/2014 1:47:39 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote
I think any dog (regardless of breed) that mauled a child like that should be put down.

Absolutely.

2 posted on 03/17/2014 1:53:00 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: ransomnote

Kill em all & let PETA sort em out.


3 posted on 03/17/2014 1:54:03 PM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: certrtwngnut

LOL!


4 posted on 03/17/2014 1:55:23 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

In before the usual “it’s the owner, not the breed” canard.


5 posted on 03/17/2014 1:56:00 PM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: ransomnote

I can summarize: the dog mauled a kid. It needs to be put down. Sadly the owners of the dog haven’t done the honorable thing.


6 posted on 03/17/2014 1:56:31 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Guns SAVE Lives! www.VCDL.org)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

“In before the usual “it’s the owner, not the breed” canard.”

So they’re arguing that they should euthanize the owners instead? That’s a bit severe. But I guess I could live with that.


7 posted on 03/17/2014 1:58:49 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Guns SAVE Lives! www.VCDL.org)
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To: ransomnote

Wonder who’s paying for years of reconstructive surgery? I’m guessing your insurance premiums and the kid’s parents.(No college fund for YOU!)


8 posted on 03/17/2014 1:59:37 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

Consistent with the Left’s insistence on defending the guilty (the dog) and condemning the innocent (the child). They can always be depended upon to do the morally disgusting thing.


9 posted on 03/17/2014 2:04:29 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: Jeff Chandler

That’s my view. A late uncle of mine adopted a Springer Spaniel named Ace. My parents and I visited him and his wife a few,weeks after the adoption. The three of us, mom, dad, and I, all got bad vibes from Ace to the point none of us wanted to get too close to him, in spite of him not threatening any of us. Three weeks later Ace exploded and tore my uncle’s nose off after my uncle tried to hug him. Ace was promptly, and appropriately, euthanized. Since becoming a self supporting adult, I’ve been a dog daddy to five large dogs, four Lab crosses, the current one of whom is half Pit, and one Great Dane. None has ever done anything like that, but, if one did, he’d be in for an immediate Last Trip to the Vet.


10 posted on 03/17/2014 2:09:27 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: afsnco

You know, I wonder if that’s why a leftie adopted a viscious cat that was going to be put down locally. Moral vanity? They DO feel leftists are more caring and moral and seem to gravitate to opportunities to be seen as more compassionate, understanding and merciful.


11 posted on 03/17/2014 2:11:17 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

no one is suggesting the owner be euthanized

I am starting to think along those lines; give them both a shot....


12 posted on 03/17/2014 2:18:51 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: ransomnote

Merciful to the beast. Not the human. God values human life infinitely more than animal life. (Luke 12:24; 2 Peter 2:12)


13 posted on 03/17/2014 2:19:51 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: logic101.net

I’ve been encouraged by scattered reports of owners being held criminally responsible and facing jail time. This kid may never be fully restored by repeated surgeries because someone “needed” to own a pitbull?


14 posted on 03/17/2014 2:22:47 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: RKBA Democrat

It wasn’t the dog’s fault, it was the parents fault.

1. Chaining up their dog.
2. Owning a guard dog with no reason for owning one.
3. Owning such a dog while having small children.
(like owning a swimming pool while having small children)
4. Not supervising their children.

I’m on the fence here regarding putting the dog down.

1. Is it a mean vicious dog?
or
2. Did the dog just react to the kid stealing the dog’s bone?

1. Dead
2. Find him a new home without children.

I did not comment on the breed, because it is a non factor.

It’s not the breed of the dog, it’s the breed of the human who owns him. How the dog is treated and what the dog is taught, determines how he acts or reacts. While dogs will have “traits” common to their breed, taking a bone away from a chained dog is dangerous, no matter the breed.


15 posted on 03/17/2014 2:24:25 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: ransomnote

Cesar the dog whisperer loves pit bulls. But there are 2 episodes where it took quite some time to domesticate those bastards. If they’re lost causes, he keeps them with him on his farm.


16 posted on 03/17/2014 2:27:39 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Jeff Chandler
I think any dog (regardless of breed) that mauled a child like that should be put down.

Absolutely.

I have to agree with this, it does not matter the breed, this animal cannot be trusted around children or adults and I doubt there will be anyone that would be able to guaranty that the animal would never be in contact with people again.

17 posted on 03/17/2014 2:29:19 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi
In before the usual “it’s the owner, not the breed” canard.

In after the "kill the breed" canuckle heads. It's not the breed, it's a individual animal that did this and "it" should be put down not the breed.

18 posted on 03/17/2014 2:31:45 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: faucetman

Reply to self

When I was a kid, my father always taught every dog we had, to allow him and/or us to take away his food or bones. They didn’t like it at first, growling etc., but they were taught this was not allowed period. They had to allow it and like it. My father said he would not own a dog that would bite the hand that feeds him or his kids.

Tip. Once the dog figured out that if he didn’t try to bite you or growl at you, he would get the food/bone right back.


19 posted on 03/17/2014 2:34:18 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: max americana

Cesar Millan quote unquote:

“Yeah, but this is a different breed…the power that comes behind the bull dog, pit bull, presa canario, the fighting breed – They have an extra boost, they can go into a zone, they don’t feel the pain anymore. … So if you are trying to create submission in a fighting breed, it’s not going to happen.

They would rather die than surrender. If you add pain, it only infuriates them…to them pain is that adrenaline rush, they are looking forward to that, they are addicted to it… That’s why they are such great fighters.”

He goes on to say: “Especially with fighting breeds, you’re going to have these explosions over and over because there’s no limits in their brain.”

Wow, is that a desired trait in a pet? A dog that has “explosions over and over” in its brain? It’s behavior is that of a wild animal and people like to imagine they are superior for “taming” the beast.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/Blog/2013/12/30/Former-Arizona-mayor-hurt-husband-killed-by-pet-dogs/6561388413978/#ixzz2p8zPiXb1


20 posted on 03/17/2014 2:35:40 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Jeff Chandler

Sorry, but this dog, regardless of breed, is a biter, and it needs to be put down.


21 posted on 03/17/2014 2:37:09 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

"Shoot "im, Elizabeth!"

22 posted on 03/17/2014 2:40:11 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: faucetman

Good practice - wish more people knew about it. There is a pet-human unspoken contract and some people are willing to let the pitbulls out of the contract and say that only “speshul” people should own them. They just aren’t suitable pets and it’s bizarre that they are kept in captivity and frequently released on the neighborhood and propagandized to the public despite their documented record for killing and maiming.

Next they’ll be calling pitbulls “the Great Uniters” for the way they can quickly bring together disparate portions of a community’s first responders and medical team specialists.


23 posted on 03/17/2014 2:41:43 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Mastador1; faucetman

“””...how the dog is treated and what the dog is taught, determines how he acts or reacts.

It’s not the breed, it’s a individual animal....””

Do you say the same on all of those ‘child mauled by poodle’ threads?

Oh wait. There aren’t any. Wonder why that is?

Until you train a Yorkie to hunt pheasant, or Shi Tzu to tree a coon, your comments are meaningless.

Why do search and rescue teams use bloodhounds? Because they are bred for it.

Why do duck hunters use Labrador Retrievers? Because they are bred for it.

The AKC would sure be amazed at your contention that breeding means nothing.

“Not the breeds fault’ they keep saying, again, and again, and again...


24 posted on 03/17/2014 2:45:05 PM PDT by getitright (If you call this HOPE, can we give despair a shot?)
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To: ransomnote

That was a good find. I had an ex-GF who watched Cesar M because she owned a German S. Youtube ‘cesar’s worst bites’ and he admits there are lost causes’ of dogs. BTW, by that quote alone, that’s not a pet but a killing machine.


25 posted on 03/17/2014 2:47:46 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Mastador1
The Kenny Bunk Pit Bull Policy

(1) When a Pit Bull "misbehaves" the owner should be arrested and jailed.
(2) The owner and the Pit Bull shall share the same cell.
(3) Neither the pooch nor the owner shall be fed for 90 days.
(4) At the end of that 90 days, whichever of the 2 cellmates survives should be immediately euthanized.

The Pit Bull controversy is very dangerous ground politically. You see, if a particular breed of dog is found to be genetically disposed to attack, it is very likely that some particular breeds of humans might be genetically disposed to anti-societal acts. God knows, we ain't goin' tbere. Can't have that. No Sirree, Bob! As a breed (WTF knows what a "Pit Bull is, anymore?) Pit Bulls are not the most aggressive, not the most likely to bite. However, they have very dangerous equipment and do fearsome damage. Like Malemutes in Alaska, they should never, NEVER be loose. Like Malemutes in Alaska, a loose Pit Bull should be a dead Pit Bull. Period.

It's not the breed, it's a individual animal that did this and "it" should be put down not the breed.

Yup, dog lover, your heart' is in a good place. But, you need a course in insurance underwriting. Before that, that, type "Pit Bull" into the FReep search menu.

26 posted on 03/17/2014 2:50:35 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is very sick . Hold all contributions until we see who picks up the patient..)
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To: ransomnote
Every time I think the animal rights nutz have gone 'round their last twist, I see something like this:

"This is not Kevin versus Mickey," said attorney John Schill, who is representing the dog in the court petition. "Having Mickey killed is not going to take away Kevin's pain or injuries. The only thing this is going to do is kill a poor, innocent dog."

SMH.

Link to Facebook page of the loonytoons. Sic 'em.

27 posted on 03/17/2014 2:50:38 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: max americana

I’ve watched pit bull attack videos and you can’t miss the fact that they are lovin’ it. The tense, warning or fearful behavior of normal dogs before attacking isn’t there. There is the unprovoked attack with no barking or threat. There is gleeful tail wagging like a cat ripping up a toy for fun.
I’ve posted this video before -its a dog racing through a big intersection and pulling down it’s prey, a child walking with an adult. The tail wagging etc. - it never glanced at the other animals (adults), but went for the one it could easily rip apart. Note that this predator believes it can tolerate any pain or agression adults can provide so it is very single minded in its “playful” mauling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Fh2X7LmuY

Note how many people had to work to stop it and frankly, the dog gave up more quickly than is usual in many of the reports and videos featuring this breed that I’ve watched and read.


28 posted on 03/17/2014 2:55:43 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

Ship the dog and/or owner to the Jakarta meat market.


29 posted on 03/17/2014 2:58:29 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

We will have to agree to disagree on the subject because we will never see eye to eye. But hey, thats OK!, that is what makes America and Free Republic great we can have differences of opinion and still respect each other, well we can but demonrats still don’t know how to play well with others.


30 posted on 03/17/2014 3:01:54 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

And I wouldn’t need a court to help me decide.


31 posted on 03/17/2014 3:06:03 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: ransomnote

It would explain many women’s attitude toward Bill Clinton.


32 posted on 03/17/2014 3:13:45 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: ransomnote
Unfortunately dog attacks on children are not limited to 'pit bulls'.

Attack from yesterday....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/girl-7-mauled-to-death-by-dogs-near-winnipeg-1.2575514

I've tried to point out to folks here numerous times
that the prevalence of particular types of dogs in a given area
is correlated to the number of attacks by those types of dogs.

It does not mean that all of members of these types of dogs are going to attack.

As the article linked reports...

"The head of the Winnipeg Humane Society said Alaskan malamutes are normally friendly dogs, but any large dogs should be under constant supervision when they’re around children.

“Big dogs are of concern with small children,” said Bill McDonald. “It doesn’t matter the breed, whether it is an Alaskan malamute or any large breed dog from a collie to a German shepherd.”

McDonald said he’s only heard of children being mauled to death in the province by packs of dogs on remote First Nations communities.

“It’s usually the case of an aboriginal community with pack animals running at large,” said McDonald. “When you’re talking about a domesticated situation, this one is a bit shocking and tragic for the whole family.”

RCMP said there was adult supervision the day the incident happened, but they were gone for only a minute when the attack happened."

I understand it is easier to react to these incidents than it is to thoughtfully respond
but doing so ignores common factors involved, knowledge of which
could prevent attacks, injuries or deaths, regardless of type or breed.

33 posted on 03/17/2014 3:17:33 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: getitright
Do you say the same on all of those ‘child mauled by poodle’ threads? Oh wait. There aren’t any. Wonder why that is?

Well actually there aren't, even though many other breeds are guilty of bites and maulings, because they are not sensational, they don't grab peoples attention! And buy the way Yorkies are quite capable of hunting small game like squirrels, being that they are of the terrier breed, you know like PitBulls?, Staffordshire Terriers? And by the way I never said breeding has nothing to do with it! If you had read any of my comments on PitBulls you would have known that I always blame people for intentionally breeding aggressive lines of PitBulls, so yeah it's not the BREED it' is what some people do to some of the breed. But hey what the hell why let reality get in the way of a good hateful rant! Why don't you go ahead and apply your logic to something else, like the problems with some of the yutes we are having and see how that works out, after all there are plenty on this site that consider them to be just animals.

34 posted on 03/17/2014 3:18:43 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: getitright

Do you say the same on all of those ‘child mauled by poodle’ threads?

Oh wait. There aren’t any. Wonder why that is?


Because when it happens, people don’t make threads.

Pit Bulls do not seem inherently more likely to spontaneously attack. The difference is that they are so much more effective when they do. As such, dilligence needs to be shown when they DO attack. Chihuahuas and toy poodles are amongst the most likely to inappropriately attack...but in the case of Chihuahuas...often no one really cares.


35 posted on 03/17/2014 3:19:39 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: ransomnote

What will these dog supporters say when he mauls someone else, child or adult?


36 posted on 03/17/2014 3:29:52 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: kanawa

So the U.S. documented killings which reveal that pits kill more people than all other breeds combined, and the report by a trauma physician proving that for his hospital system pitbulls cost more in rehab mauligns than other breeds should be set aside because you found an article about malamutes killing a child? No one has said that no other dog breed is capable of mauling or killing - it’s the overwhelming videotaped and documented (medically, insurance costs, etc.) proof that pitbulls kill too often and maul to an umbelievable degree compared with all other dog breeds...combined.


37 posted on 03/17/2014 3:30:49 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: lepton

Pitbulls, part of the Mollosar breeds, are inherently more likely to attack and kill, per statistics and documented proof.Breeds of Dogs Involved in Fatal Human Attacks in the
United States Between 1979 and 1998

A 2000 report issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reviewed a 20-year period to determine the types of dog breeds most responsible for U.S. dog bite fatalities. There are many interesting studies and statistics waiting out there to prove the statistics don’t lie, pit nutters do.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics.php

A 2009 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 deaths in a recent 3-year period. Pit bulls accounted for 59% followed by rottweilers with 14%.

Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period.
The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13).


38 posted on 03/17/2014 3:36:51 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

No, documented killings should not be set aside,
they should be studied, analysed, contributing factors extracted
and used to educate people in safe, responsible dog ownership.

Your hysterical hyperbole could well be set aside though.
Perhaps you could read again what I did post
rather than expend energy putting words in my mouth.

“kill too often”

ONE death by any dog is one too many.


39 posted on 03/17/2014 3:47:52 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: faucetman

“I’m on the fence here regarding putting the dog down.”

I’m not. The animal can’t be trusted. It isn’t a matter of fault, it’s a matter of safety. The animal needs to walk the green mile.

Now some other FReepers are suggesting that the owners be put down. I think that’s rather severe, but I guess you could make the argument.


40 posted on 03/17/2014 3:49:07 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Guns SAVE Lives! www.VCDL.org)
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To: kanawa

To: ransomnote
Unfortunately dog attacks on children are not limited to ‘pit bulls’.
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Me:
Unfortunatly no one said dog attacks on children were limited to “pit bulls.”
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Attack from yesterday....
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Me:
Statistics covering attacks over the past several years indicating pitbull type dogs are responsible for most killings and maimings:
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics.php
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I’ve tried to point out to folks here numerous times
that the prevalence of particular types of dogs in a given area
is correlated to the number of attacks by those types of dogs.

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Me:
Well that would be false because the stats I linked pertain to nationwide killings and maimings which prove that pitbulls kill and maim far beyond their presence in the population. Add to that the tendency for owners to report that their dogs “got out” and their victims reporting dogs frequently seen running around the neighborhood and you get unrestricted breeding resulting in crossbreeds, some of which look like pits and some which dont’, that share the pit type genetic propensity for agression.

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It does not mean that all of members of these types of dogs are going to attack.
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Me:
Again, no one said or says that all members of these types of dogs are going to attack. That’s the classic pro pit nutter argument “BUT MY DOGGIE WOULD LICK YOU TO DEATH” as if proving their dog hasn’t maimed or killed eliminates public concern for the damage caused by the breed.
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As the article linked reports...

“The head of the Winnipeg Humane Society said Alaskan malamutes are normally friendly dogs, but any large dogs should be under constant supervision when they’re around children.
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Me:
Typically users post on these threads that children should be closely monitored around pets and contact with large dogs should be avoided.
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“Big dogs are of concern with small children,” said Bill McDonald. “It doesn’t matter the breed, whether it is an Alaskan malamute or any large breed dog from a collie to a German shepherd.”

McDonald said he’s only heard of children being mauled to death in the province by packs of dogs on remote First Nations communities.

“It’s usually the case of an aboriginal community with pack animals running at large,” said McDonald. “When you’re talking about a domesticated situation, this one is a bit shocking and tragic for the whole family.”

RCMP said there was adult supervision the day the incident happened, but they were gone for only a minute when the attack happened.”
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Me:
And? Perhaps you’d like to read this thread (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3103448/posts)
end to end before I explain that the National Canine Research Foundation, and other ASPCA and veterinarian organizatiosn and “experts” who defend the pitbull type have forfeited their credibility. The text you cited immediately above stresses breed is not a factor and that is patently false. Beyond that it’s a sad account of a tragic killing.

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I understand it is easier to react to these incidents than it is to thoughtfully respond

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Me:
Yes - I do believe you have a problem of reacting without thoughtfully responding. I, on the otherhand, spent many hours researching this issue before I realized that the pitbull and their supporters are not trustworthy.
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but doing so ignores common factors involved, knowledge of which
could prevent attacks, injuries or deaths, regardless of type or breed.
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Me: Ironic. Pitbull nutters deny and ignore statistics and documented carnage that could be used to reduce the bodycount.


41 posted on 03/17/2014 4:34:18 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Kenny Bunk

Very well said. Bravo.


42 posted on 03/17/2014 7:26:27 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: ransomnote

You do realize that none of that reference material contradicts what I said, don’t you?


43 posted on 03/17/2014 9:22:10 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

You do realize your latest is pointless sophistry, right?

This thread has focused on pitbull maimings and killings but you are trying to make the point that small dogs can spontaneously attack but it doesn’t make the news because no one was hurt and everyone lived etc. So unfair...tsk tsk tsk...why aren’t unimportant non injurious attacks reported as often as the pitbull attacks that strip limbs off of people and leave rescue personell in shock? Must be a “bad rap.” Go on...do what you can to redirect this thread to the poodle and chihuahua class of dogs. The rest of us will continue to read stories that indicate the pitbull was “fine” until one day he started killing and maiming. Often no barking or warning at all - just runs up to a person and starts the mauling. Watch the video - that was a pitbull spontanous attack unlike that of the poodle/chihuahua types. Then write me another tangential comment.


44 posted on 03/17/2014 9:41:18 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

Unfair? I neither said or implied anything about unfairness.

What I wrote of was misdiagnosis, and further countered the ill-informed claim on this thread that pit bulls were highly likely - or even most likely amongst breeds - to spontaneously attack. If you can’t properly diagnose the problem, you can’t properly address it.

One person implied that lack of threads from poodle attacks meant something about relative frequency of poodle attacks - which is jibberish.

Frankly, the pit bull argument is a similar argument to the domestic violence one between men and women. Women are FAR more likely to initiate domestic violence, and yet men are far more effective (in a bad way) at carrying it out. A proper response to that situation is different than if men were instigating all of it., or alternately, if women were completely incapable of ever harming men.

Likewise, understanding what the issue is with pit bulls is both required in reaching a sane functional resolution, and a political one. When one wrongly implies or asserts that pit bulls are generally crazy monsters just waiting to maul people, that argument may work on the mentally unstable, but it rightly is rejected/dismissed by owners who have first-hand experience with their own dogs. On the other hand, when one points out the tools that the dogs have - without the obvious dumbassery as the argument - and how effective they are at what they were bred to be able to do, even those owners will often concede that point.


45 posted on 03/18/2014 5:49:32 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: ransomnote
Please stop injecting a rational approach into a Pit Bull thread. Facts mean nothing.

The death of the odd child, mail carrier, jogger, or pizza delivery man is but a small price to pay for the hours of pleasure and protection pet Pit Bulls give their owners in those periods when they are not incarcerated on drug charges, or on trial for welfare fraud.

Furthermore, the Pit Bull being a favorite breed of the 'hood, constant harping on the facts of the matter could be construed as racis.

back off. Don't know how strong this leash is.

46 posted on 03/18/2014 8:14:24 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is very sick . Hold all contributions until we see who picks up the patient..)
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To: Kenny Bunk

LOL! I needed the laugh! Thanks! :)


47 posted on 03/18/2014 11:09:07 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: lepton

Ah I see you took me up on my offer when I wrote “Then write me another tangential comment.”

“Misdiagnosis?”It’s not rocket science and does not require a hypothesis with double blind test subjects. Data exists proving that public safety is jeapardized by members of the pitbull type dog population in numbers disproportiate to the presence of the breed in the population (they kill and maim more than all other breeds).

“What I wrote of was misdiagnosis, and further countered the ill-informed claim on this thread that pit bulls were highly likely - or even most likely amongst breeds - to spontaneously attack.” More distortion. I just read through the thread again and it’s clear this thread focuses on pitbull killings and maimings.

Your assertion that poodle attacks are not reported because they are not sufficiently sensational is pathetic. Poodle attacks are not news worthy because they fall within the realm of behavior and wounds considered “normal” among civilized societies and domesticated dogs - it’s just not newsworthy because there is insufficient damage and...DEATH to warrant concern. On the other hand, pitbulls are documented in horrific bloodshed and death causing years of reconstructive surgery if the victim(s) are lucky enough to live. I watched a video of a person in shock relating what it was like to see multiple ambulances and police arrive at a scene of extreme bloodshed, she described it as “a war zone.” Can you see how this use of resources, loss of life and limb and psychological horror might push the unimportant “Fluffy the poodle bit the neighbors kid and he had to have 3 stitches but he’s otherwise fine.”

But hey, let’s just agree that you enjoy pretending to have superior logic more than I enjoy refuting you (easily) with documented facts, and call it a day.


48 posted on 03/18/2014 5:10:51 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

You’ve spent a lot of effort arguing against opinions I neither stated nor hold. Obviously you are going to continue to have your own conversation in your head on this subject regardless of what I say.


49 posted on 03/18/2014 6:01:57 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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