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Native American group believes remains among Rush Co. artifacts
wthr ^ | Apr 04, 2014 | Rich Van Wyk

Posted on 04/04/2014 5:59:28 PM PDT by digger48

RUSH COUNTY - There are new reports about what investigators are discovering as they search collection of historical artifacts so huge it fills a Rush County home and several outbuildings.

An organization representing Native Americans believe human remains are buried among thousands and thousands of artifacts collected by Donald Miller in the U.S. and around the world.

The FBI investigation and massive effort to recover thousands of invaluable artifacts is being watched by the American Indian Movement. Until recently, its local chairman lived only a half-hour away from the Rush County site.

"We are glad something like this has happened," said Albert Runningwolf, American Indian Movement.

Runningwolf says his organization has been aware of Miller for years. It suspects his collection of artifacts from Native American tribes and other cultures from around the world include ceremonial treasures and human remains.

(Excerpt) Read more at wthr.com ...


TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aim; albertrunningwolf; alreadyposted; artifacts; donaldmiller; fbi; fbiraid; godsgravesglyphs; indiana; rushcounty
This is an update to the previous threads on this raid.

The original article at WTHR was being hit hard by what apeaprs to be a Native American activist making all kinds of claims of felonies by Miller.

The original threads....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3140315/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3140894/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3140813/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3140437/posts

1 posted on 04/04/2014 5:59:28 PM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48

These morons have NO clim to any thing. They can’t prove ownership or relationship to bones or artifacts. The FBI is a disgrace. There is NO freedom in this country any more. If you ever stumble across any gold, silver or artifacts of any kind, TELL NO ONE AND SELL THEM ON THE BLACK MARKET. The Leftists will only steal it from you and blow the money out Obama’s black ass!


2 posted on 04/04/2014 6:03:40 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: digger48
A similar fracas was put-on by a MN group of NA activists a decade or so back. Sacred trees, sacred grounds, sacred etc. The highway department said “no way”. So, they called in the academics and archaeologists and did a dig and found no-thing. Zip. Zero. Nada.

“Oh”, said the Indian activists and their peacenik allies.

The highway rests today on formerly sacred nothings.

3 posted on 04/04/2014 6:03:45 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: digger48

This FBI art SWAT team should be checking out H!’s houses (and Wild Bill’s double-wide in Little Rock) for all of the stolen gov’t artifacts.


4 posted on 04/04/2014 6:05:03 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SunkenCiv

an update for ya.


5 posted on 04/04/2014 6:05:47 PM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48
IIRC, the American Indian Movement AIM) is just the "red" portion of Jesse Jackson's" Rainbow Coalition Shakedown.
6 posted on 04/04/2014 6:10:49 PM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: digger48

They don’t “believe” a damn thing!

They have no reason to jump to that conclusion.

This is a standard tactic to gain access to EVERYTHING the guy collected.

We’ve seen this tactic before with “Kennewick Man” and with fake burial grounds in California.


7 posted on 04/04/2014 6:12:47 PM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: BwanaNdege

This guy was trying so hard to keep those illegal artifacts hidden that he was letting school and scout groups tour his home.


8 posted on 04/04/2014 6:14:01 PM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48

Thanks for links. I posted on one of them earlier today:

Thousands Of Artifacts Seized At 91-Year-Old Indiana Man’s Home
April 4, 2014 12:00:37 PM PDT · 22 of 46

OK, a little further research suggests that the 91-year-old “perp” may be harboring some Indian artifacts/bones. They are pretty much on the warpath about getting their ancestors’ stuff back from collectors and even museums. Even if the items were purchased legally, the Indians believe they still belong to them. The FBI “Art Crimes Unit” is examining everything

http://wishtv.com/2014/04/02/fbi-surrounds-home-in-rush-county/

AND a great video here shows part of collections: http://wishtv.com/2014/04/02/home-video-shows-artifacts-in-rush-county-home/

“Over the last several months, an FBI investigation has determined that Mr. Miller may have knowingly and unknowingly collected artifacts, relics and objects of cultural patrimony in violation of several treaties federal and state statutes,” said FBI Special Agent in Charge Robert Jones….some statutes and laws put into place in the last several decades may not have been in effect when Miller collected some of the items.”

Don’t need evidence, apparently when it’s Indian tribal stuff they are after. Running casinos has apparently given Indians enough money and political clout to push the gubmint around, at least during Big Chief Obama’s reign.

And as for the American Indian Movement, bah humbug. The gubmint does have an eye on them. Friend who is 1/4 Indian was asked to join, he said NO because he didn’t want to be stripped searched at every airport in the US.


9 posted on 04/04/2014 6:15:12 PM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: digger48

Why does the article say “Native American” when the group in question is:

“We are glad something like this has happened,” said Albert Runningwolf, American Indian Movement.


10 posted on 04/04/2014 6:21:38 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: digger48

Want to find Indian artifacts, look under Wrigley Field. The presents of an Indian burial ground located beneath the stadium (built in 1914) is the only plausible reason the Cubs have not won a World Series since 1908.


11 posted on 04/04/2014 6:25:59 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Veto!

A Ming vase was described as “questionable”.

GIve me a fucking break. There is nothing questionable about a Ming vase. It is what it is and has never been covered by any US law if it was obtained legally inside the country, or even outside the country (unless it was a known stolen item via robbery or fraudulent acquistions).

I’ve seen things in flea markets that were hundreds of years old which today someone could claim as “questionable”.

While I surprise laws that preserve endangered animals, esp. birds hunted for their feathers, items made long before these laws existed should be exempt and their owners not treated as “Raiders of the Lost Ark”.

The FBI gets stupider and stupider every day, or is it just their addled-brained spokesmen.

The FBI people I worked with in the past are pissing in their graves the way the Bureau has been mishandled for the past few decades. It is now a PC-dominated organization of girlymen instead of the once premier investigative law enforcement agency in America, if not the world (I also like the old Scotland Yard and Israel’s Mossad).

I have a degree and experience in Archaeology and what the PC led govt agencies are doing today will destroy Archaeology as a science and probably put a number of archaeologists in jail for innocent activities.

Well, as Obama once said, “Yes we can”.


12 posted on 04/04/2014 6:46:38 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: digger48
The original article at WTHR was being hit hard by what apeaprs to be a Native American activist making all kinds of claims of felonies by Miller.

In a tyranny, most EVERYTHING is a felony, unless you work for the government.

13 posted on 04/04/2014 6:50:19 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: icwhatudo
"Albert Runningwolf, American Indian Movement."

Here's his Facebook page:

Albert RunningWolf

No way that boy's been running.

14 posted on 04/04/2014 7:08:22 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: icwhatudo

Good question. My friend the 1/4 Indian never uses the term, Native American. PCBS, I think.


15 posted on 04/04/2014 7:11:47 PM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
what the PC led govt agencies are doing today will destroy Archaeology as a science and probably put a number of archaeologists in jail for innocent activities.

Astonishing. I had no idea. I read an article years ago about artifacts returned by major museums to Egypt? Or Turkey? Anyway, the priceless museum pieces ended up in dusty little one-room "museums" in their native countries with zero security. So much for national pride.

16 posted on 04/04/2014 7:16:24 PM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: digger48
did chief runingwolf remember that they lost the wars??

the whole concept of Indian nations within this country should be immediately abolished....the "native Americans" should be mainlined and required to exist on their own as are all other Americans.

17 posted on 04/04/2014 7:33:11 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: terycarl

The Seminoles might argue that point. They never surrendered and never lost the war. A branch of the Creek tribe that settled in Florida, incorporated escaped slaves, and really POd Andrew Jackson. Heh, it’s a swamp and malaria thing.

“The boys ‘round here,”


18 posted on 04/04/2014 8:15:16 PM PDT by theneanderthal
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To: theneanderthal

Bring wood to start a fire that didn’t have to start!


19 posted on 04/04/2014 8:26:50 PM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: mason-dixon

We here on the RES have decided if Al Sharpton can do it so can we!


20 posted on 04/04/2014 8:28:32 PM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: digger48
“American Indian Movement”
I think we've found the *instigator* of this inquisition.
They're after Miller's arrowheads, spear and pottery collection.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/d9de1e94aea062a4eed806fd1b98bcd6b8a70995/c=94-0-1562-1105&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/Indianapolis/Indianapolis/2014/04/03//1396556651001-184744.JPG

21 posted on 04/05/2014 9:55:03 AM PDT by FBD
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

The first article I saw said that there were 100 FBI agents on the job, and that determining the provenance of all the artifacts might take 30 years.

Instant make-work project. Perhaps this is how Obama is addressing the unemployment problem.


22 posted on 04/05/2014 11:56:37 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Veto!

“Even if the items were purchased legally, the Indians believe they still belong to them. The FBI “Art Crimes Unit” is examining everything”

They never belonged to them in the first place! The owners are all long dead.


23 posted on 04/05/2014 1:38:57 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain
Just think how easy it is to collect antiques the native American way. Heck, I think I'll complain to the FBI “Art crimes unit” about all the cool Norwegian Viking stuff that's been dug up and is being displayed in some Europeans homes. ! That's miiiiine!
24 posted on 04/05/2014 5:38:49 PM PDT by FBD
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To: digger48
Thanks digger48.

25 posted on 04/05/2014 6:27:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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26 posted on 04/05/2014 6:31:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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