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Posted on 04/05/2014 1:36:00 PM PDT by re_nortex

With the news about the Mozilla Foundation and the desire of many FReepers to drop the Firefox browser, there are some viable (IMHO) alternatives, both of which are character-based:

Links is text WWW browser with tables and frames. It runs on Linux, Unix, OS/2 and Windows.

Lynx is a text browser for the World Wide Web. Lynx 2.8.7 runs on Un*x, MacOS, VMS, Windows 95/98/NT, DOS386+ (but not 3.1, 3.11), as well as OS/2 EMX.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: browsers; cern; dillo; emacs; eww; firefox; html; links; lynx; mozilla; perl; python; sgml; web; www
Lynx and/or Links may not be everyone's cup of tea since they are character-based. But there are numerous factors that favor either or both: When I'm on a slow terminal working remotely, this command allows me to efficiently and enjoyably browse the world's premiere Conservative site:
lynx http://www.freerepublic.com
And with that aforementioned single keystroke, a '=' in the case of Lynx, one can see useful information such as this:
File that you are currently viewing
   Linkname: Latest Articles
        URL: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index
    Charset: iso-8859-1
     Server: nginx/1.2.4
       Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 22:27:39 GMT
   Owner(s): None
       size: 514 lines
       mode: forms mode
Link that you currently have selected
   Linkname: Search Free Republic
        URL: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search

1 posted on 04/05/2014 1:36:00 PM PDT by re_nortex
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To: re_nortex

why would I want to quit the Mozilla suite of services?


2 posted on 04/05/2014 1:41:59 PM PDT by Scooter100
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To: This Just In; ShadowAce
Courtesy ping to both, particularly to loyal FReeper "This Just In". As far as a Debian-based Linux distribution is concerned, this simple command at the shell prompt can be used to install them both in one shot, if not already present:
sudo apt-get install lynx links

If you're using a Red Hat-descended system, this will work:

sudo yum install lynx links

If Windows is your platform, well, good luck. :)

3 posted on 04/05/2014 1:43:14 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

Virtually all of Firefox’s revenue comes from Google!


4 posted on 04/05/2014 1:46:13 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Scooter100
Why would I want to quit the Mozilla suite of services?

On that subject, numerous threads over the past few days have been posted here on Free Republic, one of which is: Conservative activist launches boycott of Firefox browser.

5 posted on 04/05/2014 1:47:00 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

I notice Windows XP and Windows 7 are not on the list of compatible OS’s.


6 posted on 04/05/2014 1:52:11 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: re_nortex

None of that makes a lick of sense to those of us who aren’t techies. I’m looking for an alternative, but you’ll have to lay it out a bit simpler for many of us to understand how those choices compare and work next to Firefox.


7 posted on 04/05/2014 1:55:09 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (You think you know me. You don't.)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
None of that makes a lick of sense to those of us who aren’t techies. I’m looking for an alternative, but you’ll have to lay it out a bit simpler for many of us to understand how those choices compare and work next to Firefox.

Generally when I think of non-technical user's platform, I presume some variant of Windows is involved. Since I don't use Windows (only *nix: Linux, BSD and Solaris), I'm totally out of my element there. However, this link may be of some assistance:

Windows console applications. Web browsers.

I hope it helps! If not, as Kernighan and Ritchie phrased it, "...check with a local expert...".

8 posted on 04/05/2014 2:02:55 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Pale Moon. Almost identical to Firefox.
http://www.palemoon.org/download-ng.shtml
I had it installed, running with all of my bookmarks in less than five minutes. Not a single hiccup.

Also:

From the Pale Moon Facebook page:
“Since several people have been asking about this: Pale Moon is in no way associated or affiliated with the Mozilla Corporation.”
https://www.facebook.com/PaleMoonBrowser


9 posted on 04/05/2014 2:05:33 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: re_nortex; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; ...

I use Lynx in a bash script to check/update my ping list.

10 posted on 04/05/2014 2:12:48 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: publius911
I notice Windows XP and Windows 7 are not on the list of compatible OS’s.

My guess -- and it's only that -- since Windows is unfamiliar territory for me is that Cygwin may provide the "platform within a platform" for these text-based browsers, regardless of the Windows variant involved.

There's one more lightweight, text-based browser to add to the list and that's Elinks: A Full-Featured Text WWW Browser.

And of course in recent Emacs versions, there's always this command (which gives me a chuckle when I invoke it):

M-x eww
That's the mode for browsing the web and it's quite feature-rich but still very fast. It's what I used to post this response, BTW.
11 posted on 04/05/2014 2:13:33 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: RandallFlagg

FReepers help is greatly appreciated.

But I still don’t see the reason to inconvenience myself with something that seems to not affect mozilla.

How would they know I stopped using FF? Call me ignorant.

I do understand the point. Just don’t understand the results of making my web-surfing less convenient.


12 posted on 04/05/2014 2:14:42 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: re_nortex

Bookmark


13 posted on 04/05/2014 2:17:02 PM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: bicyclerepair

Well, Pale Moon DOES have a, “Donate,” link. To which I have done just that.

I’d bet that it’ll make Mozilla nervous....


14 posted on 04/05/2014 2:17:28 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: ShadowAce
I use Lynx in a bash script to check/update my ping list.

You too? :)

Two years ago, I used Lynx to maintain my Titanic ping list. I did cheat just a little bit since I spawned it from Perl instead of a shell script. Arrays, hashes and all that stuff. I'd be dead in the water in terms of the web without Lynx, curl and wget.

15 posted on 04/05/2014 2:17:36 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex
Thanks for that backward link to Lynx. Easily worth the ten amused minutes spent.

Fight the Free Sh☭t Nation

16 posted on 04/05/2014 2:21:47 PM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: re_nortex

Internet Explorer works fine for those of us who do not aspire to be computer geeks.

I’ve been using Windows and Internet Explorer since 1998.

Perhaps I’ve been lucky to just use Windows 98, XP, and Windows 7.

But they worked fine.

They have always worked fine.

As a completely average computer user, I have never understood the pathological hatred so many people have for Microsoft products.


17 posted on 04/05/2014 2:23:45 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

“As a completely average computer user, I have never understood the pathological hatred so many people have for Microsoft products.”

So many were Firefox users .... Now???


18 posted on 04/05/2014 2:24:53 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: re_nortex

A very small, very fast browser for Linux distributions is Dillo. It’s great on slow connections and pages load really fast.


19 posted on 04/05/2014 2:26:05 PM PDT by buridan
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To: re_nortex

“navigation with your fingers never leaving your hand! “

I use windows. My fingers never leave my hand!


20 posted on 04/05/2014 2:28:10 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Mycroft Holmes
Thanks for that backward link to Lynx. Easily worth the ten amused minutes spent.

Ha! I do enjoy occasionally opening up the URL to an enemy site to see what they're running with that '=' keystroke in Lynx:

   Linkname: Daily Kos :: News Community Action
        URL: http://www.dailykos.com/
     Server: lighttpd/1.4.31-devel-783a962

   Linkname: Democratic Underground
        URL: http://www.democraticunderground.com/
     Server: Apache

   Linkname: Elizabeth Warren for Senate
        URL: http://elizabethwarren.com/
     Server: nginx  

   Linkname: Wendy Davis for Texas
        URL: http://www.wendydavistexas.com/
     Server: Apache

   Linkname: UAW.org | UAW
        URL: http://www.uaw.org/
     Server: Apache/2.2.16 (Debian)   

   Linkname: American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME)
        URL: http://www.afscme.org/
     Server: nginx

   Linkname: HillaryClinton.com
        URL: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/
     Server: Microsoft-IIS/7.5


21 posted on 04/05/2014 2:35:24 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: buridan
A very small, very fast browser for Linux distributions is Dillo.

Thank you! I had completely forgotten about it over the years and am now building Dillo 3.0.3. To give you an idea of how long it's been for me, my previous NEWS file has this as the most recent entry:

Nov 2000:

  Introduced a new design layer between the IO and the Dw.

  We'll try to focus on table rendering.

22 posted on 04/05/2014 2:44:18 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: Scooter100
why would I want to quit the Mozilla suite of services?

I've been wondering the same thing. So the homosexuals "won" by shaming the former CEO of Mozilla out of the position for his support of anti-gay-marriage initiatives in California. His resignation does not mean that Mozilla products are now "pro-gay." It means that a very vocal minority made enough to a kerfuffle to force a man to make a decision for his own good.

If the next CEO comes out and openly supports gay marriage, Leftist/progressive ideology, and donates exorbitant amounts of money to Democrat and Socialist initiatives, THEN we boycott. Until then, this is just a fart in the breeze, IMO.

23 posted on 04/05/2014 2:49:49 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: ShadowAce

I wrote a python script to do same using the python URLlib2 and Beautiful Soup libaries.


24 posted on 04/05/2014 2:52:55 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Your mention of Python reminded me of the Grail browser. And of course, there was the HotJava browser from Sun. Someday when I have nothing but time on my hand, I'll dig out the sources for Mosaic and see if it has any chance of compiling on a current platform.
25 posted on 04/05/2014 3:04:15 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

You can see images and better formatting with links 2.


26 posted on 04/05/2014 3:09:21 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: re_nortex

AKA links2.


27 posted on 04/05/2014 3:11:12 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: re_nortex

There might be a package for it in the repository for your OS. Looks like the homepage for it is here.

http://links.twibright.com/


28 posted on 04/05/2014 3:18:35 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: re_nortex

Re_nortex, thanks for the nice reply. Dillo is even usable on a dial-up connection. It doesn’t do the flash stuff, I believe, but I usually don’t need that. If you go to “tools,” you can check or uncheck “remote CSS.” Sometimes that makes a big difference. Dillo loads FreeRepublic almost instantly.


29 posted on 04/05/2014 3:19:59 PM PDT by buridan
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To: buridan; Jim Robinson
Re_nortex, thanks for the nice reply. Dillo is even usable on a dial-up connection.

I appreciate it very much. The Dillo-3.0.3 configure/build/install process was fault-free and it absolutely flies!

I've pinged the boss since, as a tech pioneer, he may be interested in this thread. And, as I've mentioned before, Free Republic is in the top 1% of well-written web sites. The code is clean, passes every validation test I've thrown at it and is free from bloat like JavaScript, Flash, Ajax and the rest. That's why simple, straightforward browsers like Dillo, Lynx, Links and others are ideal for FR. Hope he mentions this to John! :)

30 posted on 04/05/2014 3:27:22 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

There are also netsurf, midori, arora and hv3. I’ll try those out now.


31 posted on 04/05/2014 3:45:44 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: re_nortex

Netsurf is very fast and has lots of features (including images)—looks much like Firefox at first glance here but much faster.

Arora is very fast and also has lots of features.

Midori, too—fast with features.

Hv3, greased lightening and featured, like the other three.

All show images and more features. I like and use text-only browsers myself when running from a console during custom installs. Most of the rest of the time, browsers that show images and have a few more features are nice. Of the four above, at first glance, netsurf and hv3 seemed to be the fastest. Will play with them a little more in time while checking security considerations for each.


32 posted on 04/05/2014 3:59:06 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop
There are also netsurf, midori, arora and hv3. I’ll try those out now.

Choice is part of liberty and, as this thread has shown, there are plenty of browsers available, both gooey and character-based. Since midori (now at 0.5.8) is webkit-based, it does everything well including HTML5. Not to be forgotten is Konqueror, part of KDE.

33 posted on 04/05/2014 4:01:15 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

I had already ditched Firefox on my Windows laptops, where I’ve gone back to Chrome, but I’ve been using it on my Android phone.

It would be nice to use the same browser on both, with a free password app, such as Password Box, available on both of them.


34 posted on 04/05/2014 4:01:26 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

if all Firefox users switched their default search engine to Scroogle or Duck Duck Go - would their money dry up?


35 posted on 04/05/2014 4:43:18 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: re_nortex

Chromium seems okay


36 posted on 04/05/2014 4:45:10 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: rarestia
My sentiments exactly. Conservatives who support anti-free speech efforts are free to do so, but they aren't conservatives in my book......

Make a list! Get their names, round them up, send them by box-car to the nearest FEMA camp. They must not be allowed to pollute our culture and our great nation! /sarc-irony(well, sort of)

37 posted on 04/06/2014 8:00:49 AM PDT by Scooter100
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To: re_nortex

Here’s a link to a Windows version of Dillo:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/dplus-browser/files/Releases/dplus-0.5b/


38 posted on 04/07/2014 7:00:20 AM PDT by buridan
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