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Microsoft Abandons Windows 8.1: Take Immediate Action Or Be Cut Off Like Windows XP
Forbes ^ | 4/15/2014 @ 7:24AM | Gordon Kelly

Posted on 04/16/2014 12:16:29 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Microsoft has been on a roll lately. Office for iOS (and soon Android), free Windows licenses for small devices, universal Windows and Windows Phone apps, Siri rival Cortana, even a promise to eventually return the start menu before Windows 9. But when it comes to Windows 8, it seems the company has a permanently loaded pistol aimed squarely at its feet.

So it fits that just one week on from the launch of “Windows 8.1 Update 1” (the smart upgrade mouse and keyboard users have long awaited) stupidity would strike once again.

“Windows 8.1 Update is a cumulative update to Windows 8.1,” said Microsoft Senior Product Marketing Manager Ben Hunter in an apparently innocuous blog post aimed at IT professionals. Then came the clanger: “It also becomes the new servicing baseline for Windows 8.1, so next month’s security updates (on May 13th, the next ‘Patch Tuesday’) will be dependent on Windows 8.1 Update.”

In English: If you have not installed Update 1 by 13 May, then Windows 8.1 will no longer receive security updates until you do. This is your 4 week countdown warning. …

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Computers/Internet; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: microsoft; technightmare; windows8; windows8point1
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1 posted on 04/16/2014 12:16:29 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

fums


2 posted on 04/16/2014 12:20:11 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Olog-hai

This has already been posted before. It is a purely sensationalist headline from the usual Apple using idiots in the tech media looking for something to bash MS over.


3 posted on 04/16/2014 12:30:29 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Olog-hai

You Richard Heads just keep making the case linux or other OS’s and an install of Open Office...


4 posted on 04/16/2014 12:33:41 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Olog-hai

I guess its time to walk the walk and start looking at Linux.


5 posted on 04/16/2014 12:34:53 AM PDT by Antihero101607
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To: Olog-hai

Let’s see 890 MB of a continuous download at the connect speed of 49K should take what 4-5 days? I’ve got a W-8 Paper Weight. Thank you MICROCRAP.


6 posted on 04/16/2014 12:54:25 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: VanDeKoik
Never a Mac user here. After two terribly frustrating weeks of Win 8.0 and 8.1 on a new laptop, "upgraded" to Win 7.

Win 8 is a fiasco.

7 posted on 04/16/2014 1:09:03 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: Vendome

Open office is a good product until you have to share a document with someone from another company.


8 posted on 04/16/2014 4:21:00 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: VanDeKoik

I run Windows 7 on my Mac.

It’s perfect.

I H8 Windows 8.


9 posted on 04/16/2014 4:39:28 AM PDT by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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To: All

is there a way to see if the update is installed? I just bought 8.0 and am not sure if I have the update installed.


10 posted on 04/16/2014 4:42:51 AM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: NautiNurse

I replaced my Win7 laptop with a new Win8 Ultrabook - immediately upgraded to Win8.1. So no experience with Win8.0.

That said...

I’ve found Win8.1 to be far more stable and faster than Win7. It boots direct to my desktop almost instantaneously vs (by comparison) Win7’s “slow boat from China” speed.

It also amazes me that so many love XP ignoring the fact it had the infamous Blue Screen of Death syndrome with so many crashes.


11 posted on 04/16/2014 4:44:04 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: CharlotteVRWC

Just go to “Check for Updates” via Control Panel -> System Security -> Windows Update


12 posted on 04/16/2014 4:46:47 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: cva66snipe

Complaining about download speed at 49K? Good grief, are you on a “soup cans with strings” connection?

Go to WiFi hotspot (McDonalds, Paneara, etc) for a more normal and faster speed.


13 posted on 04/16/2014 4:52:14 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: driftdiver

Are you walking about sharing/collaborating?

Or

Just plain old opening a document?

Far as I know you save a document in it’s universal format and anyone should be able to open it.

If you want real time collaboration you enable it.


14 posted on 04/16/2014 4:56:12 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: VanDeKoik

Although I use Apple products after years of using Microsoft with all the many virus’. I don’t think people who use Apple care one way or the other about Microsoft. We are humored by the disaster known as Microsoft.


15 posted on 04/16/2014 5:07:39 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: newfreep

****I replaced my Win7 laptop with a new Win8 Ultrabook - immediately upgraded to Win8.1. So no experience with Win8.0.************

For me, just the opposite. My new laptop had Win 8 and I upgraded to 8.1 because it seemed to be the thing to do. I had problems adding Bluetooth devices so I “downgraded” back to 8.0. Since then, have had no problems at all.
I just hope it stays that way.


16 posted on 04/16/2014 5:11:23 AM PDT by Don@VB (Power Corrupts)
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To: napscoordinator
I don’t think people who use Apple care one way or the other about Microsoft.

They don't care about things like mainframes, either. Back in the '80s when MS was working with IBM to get PCs to talk to the mainframes Apple was pissing on the whole idea every chance they got. Macs are a consumer appliance, not an enterprise IT platform.

17 posted on 04/16/2014 5:22:10 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

I think MACs cater to the folks who don’t want anything complicated. They want an easy product. I include myself in that. I agree with your post.


18 posted on 04/16/2014 5:26:21 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: napscoordinator
I think MACs cater to the folks who don’t want anything complicated.

Romanticists. They want a "black box" that "just works".

19 posted on 04/16/2014 5:32:50 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: newfreep; All

“Just go to “Check for Updates” via Control Panel -> System Security -> Windows Update”

Just did this. I have auto updates turned on and found I have ‘1 Important Update’ to be installed. The update indicates it is for x64. How do I find out if I have x64?
Thanks in advance for any help.


20 posted on 04/16/2014 5:37:52 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: duckman

Why would you not want to take the important update?


21 posted on 04/16/2014 5:41:36 AM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: kjam22

The update is for x64 bit. How do I find that out? I have 8.1 installed.


22 posted on 04/16/2014 5:50:34 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: duckman

If your machine is running windows 8 you have 64 bit. My advice is almost always to take OS updates.


23 posted on 04/16/2014 5:59:46 AM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: Olog-hai
People bitch about the interface, then when Microsoft fixes the interface, people bitch about having to download it? I don't get people. I don't use windows 8 because I didn't like the interface but I didn't spend any time complaining about it. I didn't like the Unity interface on Ubuntu either so I went with Mint. I don't like the 5.1 Web interface for VMware, so I use the stand alone client. I don't like blackberries but work pays for mine so I use it.
It's time for people to stop treating technology like politics. An operating system / application are just tools. If that tool isn't the most effective for your task find another tool, but for heavens sake stop being so dramatic about it.
24 posted on 04/16/2014 6:07:32 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: kjam22

Thank You.


25 posted on 04/16/2014 6:08:38 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: duckman

No problem. Have a great day!


26 posted on 04/16/2014 6:13:39 AM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: duckman

Go to: PC Info -> PC Info

This will confirm 64-bit or 32-bit.


27 posted on 04/16/2014 6:17:28 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: newfreep

Thank You.


28 posted on 04/16/2014 6:24:54 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: Olog-hai

This is ridiculous.

Shipped versions of 8.1 will have the update.

Besides, who the heck DOESN’T have their PC connected (wired or wireless) for the frequent updates, regardless how you apply them?

Unlicensed owners.


29 posted on 04/16/2014 6:36:33 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: napscoordinator

“I don’t think people who use Apple care one way or the other about Microsoft. We are humored by the disaster known as Microsoft.”

I use them both. I am typing this on a Macbook Air. I have PC’s with Win 7 and Win 8 as well. I like my iPhone and iPads, too. Different tools that do better at some jobs than others. I would never replace my Windows based PC’s for all Apple stuff.

As far as Apple users not caring one way or the other....that just ignores all of the millions of posts by Apple fanboys about how Microsoft is a “disaster”. Kind of like, well...yours.


30 posted on 04/16/2014 7:19:15 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: newfreep
It also amazes me that so many love XP ignoring the fact it had the infamous Blue Screen of Death syndrome with so many crashes.

Guess I was lucky...never had one in 5 years or so on my laptop.

31 posted on 04/16/2014 7:20:01 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: newfreep
Complaining about download speed at 49K? Good grief, are you on a “soup cans with strings” connection? Go to WiFi hotspot (McDonalds, Paneara, etc) for a more normal and faster speed.

IT's A DESKTOP!!!! Dial Up is all that is available where I live. Believe me if high speed were here I'd use it and Dial up worked well on XP.

Even if I had HughestNet the W 8 "CLOUD" and chit Chat programs with MS Corp partners built into W-8 would take a good chunk of the allowed bandwidth. Many persons do not have access to high speed. MS ignores that to make this stinking WINDOWS 8 X-BOX Cross Bread Abomination.

I do have a laptop unfortunately with now unsupported XP I used when I needed to go somewhere for high speed WIFI.

32 posted on 04/16/2014 9:37:28 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: newfreep
Complaining about download speed at 49K? Good grief, are you on a “soup cans with strings” connection? Go to WiFi hotspot (McDonalds, Paneara, etc) for a more normal and faster speed.

IT's A DESKTOP!!!! Dial Up is all that is available where I live. Believe me if high speed were here I'd use it and Dial up worked well on XP.

Even if I had HughestNet the W 8 "CLOUD" and chit Chat programs with MS Corp partners built into W-8 would take a good chunk of the allowed bandwidth. Many persons do not have access to high speed. MS ignores that to make this stinking WINDOWS 8 X-BOX Cross Bread Abomination.

I do have a laptop unfortunately with now unsupported XP I used when I needed to go somewhere for high speed WIFI.

33 posted on 04/16/2014 9:37:31 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

As of June, 2013 over 93% of US had broadband coverage of at least 3mbps.

One cannot expect MS (or any business) to dumbdown their technology to fit less than 7% of the nation.

As an aside, over 91% had availability of 10Mmbps or greater.

Sorry for your tech limitations but it’s no excuse to rant on MS (and other businesses) for evolving their technology.


34 posted on 04/16/2014 11:42:37 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: newfreep
What qualifies the 93% as being coverage? Cell phone tethering or cell tower usage? Likely so. Very limited Bandwidth right? Uncle Gates store your data for you if you use a Tablet right? That is where MS is trying to force consumers to go and W8 is part of that agenda open your eyes.

Yes technically 93% of the US may have coverage of at least 3mbps available to them. Not how much a month can they actually use? Factor into that this weeks W8 900 MB Update. Hugesnet users would have to watch what W8 consumes both in upload and download very closely.

The Cable Companies are at a halt as far as expansion and AT&T does not upgrades anywhere unless it is likely a massive cable or SLICK failure. Hey I can get high speed here. I can call Ma Bell and order a Data circuit. Hundreds of dollars a month just to use W8? BTW a data circuit is not the same configuration as DSL. My dad used to work on data circuits.

35 posted on 04/16/2014 12:09:14 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

Should read : Now how much bandwidth a month can they actually use?


36 posted on 04/16/2014 12:13:33 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Olog-hai

Nothing terribly unusual about that. Once you’ve got an SR (which is what this is) out you don’t make patches to pre-SR code, it’s an unnecessary doubling of testing effort. MS has been following this standard at least since they included automatic updates in Windows, every moderately sane company in software follows it. The only thing any writes for both base and SR is the next SR which are usually (but not always) cumulative.


37 posted on 04/16/2014 12:24:12 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: cva66snipe

Actually it equals 5 HOURS. Pretty easy overnight/ at work update.


38 posted on 04/16/2014 12:27:45 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: cva66snipe

At times I use a WiFi spot that offers 512Kb - plenty fast for my Win8.1 including downloading 200MB files with no problem.

...just sayin’


39 posted on 04/16/2014 12:29:48 PM PDT by newfreep
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To: discostu
Actually it equals 5 HOURS. Pretty easy overnight/ at work update.

50k is connect speed. What the actual download speed is going to average is at tops 15-20 MB per hour. 900/15 = 60 hours or 45 hours at 20 MB per hour. But an impossible feat when the ISP only stays connected 5 hours. If they were going to do a nearly 900 MB upgrade it needed to be on a disk as well. The point I made in a previous post many users even on high speed have limited monthly usage. Poor planning on the part of MS or likely just their typical corporate apathy concerning customers needs.

W8 has become an obsession with Microsoft. It was a mess from the beginning. It should have been pulled until they resolved issues they obviously did not test for with actual typical users.

40 posted on 04/16/2014 12:41:32 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: newfreep
At times I use a WiFi spot that offers 512Kb - plenty fast for my Win8.1 including downloading 200MB files with no problem.

OK so do I carry the desktop to Mickey D's?

What really chaps me is yes I could go somewhere with my laptop and have the needed update in less than an hour, bring it home and put it in the desktop via thumb drive. However MS the paranoids they are at extra double sure cross your heart hope to die making certain everyone has an authorized MS product will only allow the download upgrade to the specific machine. You'd think they would have a secondary way you could validate it but Oh no not Microcrap. That makes too much sense.

41 posted on 04/16/2014 12:49:55 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Olog-hai

And I care why? I’m using Windows 2000 SP4. I patch it myself.


42 posted on 04/16/2014 12:52:13 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: Windcatcher

Commendable; in fact, sticking with MS is commendable in general. How powerful is your setup overall?

Now I’m wondering if anyone is still running Win 3.1 and doing the same thing.


43 posted on 04/16/2014 1:02:06 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I run it on an HP 8710w laptop, T9500 CPU, 4Gb RAM. It runs great.


44 posted on 04/16/2014 1:07:23 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: cva66snipe

Guess you shouldn’t try to live with a 21st century OS and 20th century connection. If you’re only getting 20MB an hour then even basic security updates take forever, best to turn off updates, in which case you don’t care if they’re not making updates for your non-updated version.

They’re no more obsessed than any other company. The OS is their primary product, so they work on it. That’s the job. At my company we’re working on an FP for the new version of our product, which shipped in October, this FP should ship at the end of June, then we’ll start working on the next FP, or next .version, or major release (I’m not privy to plans). That’s the job. Windows 8 isn’t a mess, it’s just got a different way of thinking. It’s got the same kind of lumps for user education that 95 had, the only real difference is 95 was replacing a version with a crappy UI and 8 is replacing a version with a really good UI (oddly enough the basically the 95 UI which nobody liked 20 years ago).


45 posted on 04/16/2014 1:38:08 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: Olog-hai

Very poor communication by Microsoft and a sensationalist press that likes to present things in their worst light. This is a mandatory patch. That’s it. Mind, it’s a little disconcerting to read that if you don’t have it you won’t receive any more security updates, but cut through the fog and you figure out pretty quickly that Microsoft is establishing a new baseline with the thing, and that further security patching to the OS begins here. Why somebody couldn’t just have said so in so many words is a bit of a mystery. Win8.x already has enough of a bad press to warrant a little extra care with the press releases. IMHO.


46 posted on 04/16/2014 1:48:09 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

I would think that MS would or should update any computers that lack the patch itself automatically?


47 posted on 04/16/2014 1:52:03 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

No, you have to enable automatic patching from the client side. The worst they can do is shout at you in capital letters. ;-)


48 posted on 04/16/2014 1:52:56 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Olog-hai

They won’t do it automatically unless you’ve left autoupdate enabled. What’ll happen is anybody that has turned it off and doesn’t get Update 1 will eventually when they try to do updates manually is that Update 1 is the only update available. And then when they install that a whole bunch of others will be available. We saw the exact same thing with every single SR for XP, Vista, 7 and their server versions.


49 posted on 04/16/2014 2:21:10 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: discostu
I don't let any program but my Anti Virus Program update automatically. I bought it just over a month ago with 8.1 and it still had to have 300MB of updates out of the box. But not one single update was over 75 MB so it wasn't a huge issue or one to get angry over.

This new 8.1 Update put out about 3 days ago is nearly 900MB single stand alone update and no it can not be split. What kind of Idiots came up with that bright idea? Again I remind you although many do have High Speed Internet many of the so called 93% have very limited monthly usage. You can but a cell phone with web capabilities and that is included in the figures of persons having high speed Internet. I had a cell phone that had internet capability. Darn text was so small I could not read it. But yes it would qualify as high speed.

Hughesnet the only alternative for rural users is outrageous & only gives you 10 GB a month usage and 5 GB of that has to be in about a 5 hour window late at night. Cell companies are even more restrictive and cost prohibitive.

MS could have made a lot of improvements. The ability to disable and even uninstall Cloud would have been a huge start. That is what puts the most drag on dial up use. Can you justify Mandatory Cloud? Oh I bet you have a Whopper of one for that. I can back my own system up. I have a TB of HD for that both in machine and portable.

W-8 is the lowest rated OS in Microsoft and it's numbers are diving. As I was typing this post the highly annoying disappearing typed text Bug showed up again. On XP that issue was fixed years ago. What I am describing is this. You are typing a post and notice an error so you put the Mouse up to the error and back space to erase it. Then you begin typing the correction but the program is not only typing what you are keying in but is typing over the rest of your work and erasing it. I hadn't seen that bug on XP in years.

I post the downfalls and issues of W-8 so some other person doesn't shell out money for this CrapWare. The only way to make MS fix their pathetic OS is to bad mouth it and low rate it enough to where it hits sales hard and obviously people who have bought it and gotten pissed trying to use it are doing just that.

This best describes W-8 IMO. WINDOWS RG

Last comment. Not all businesses are in the city. Rural areas have services such as stores, shops, etc all needing internet access. Most of them likely got buy with dial up on XP or even 7. If MS keeps this up they will be LINUX biggest boost ever. I've used MS products since WEB TV and 98/2 was my first desktop. The only other OS I had issues with was ME which for some reason would not me to Defrag or Disk Scan even in start up. I uninstalled it and went back to 98/2.

I've had 3 XP machines {one bought the month it came out} all of which ran great and still do. Of three machines only one had to be reformatted. That is quality. In about an evenings time I had XP doing all I wanted. That's called User Friendly. Terms of which MS Corp has no concept of as of late.

Consumers aren't destroying MS the company is doing that all by itself these days. If W-9 stinks as bad as 8 that will likely be it for MS. They took what they did best before W-8 and tossed it out the window how ironic.

50 posted on 04/16/2014 9:09:52 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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