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A Top Hospital Opens Up to Chinese Herbs as Medicines
Wall Street Journal ^ | 4./21

Posted on 04/22/2014 4:08:37 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Christina Lunka appeared nervous and excited as she sat in the Chinese herbal therapy center recently opened by the Cleveland Clinic.

The 49-year-old had been to many doctors seeking help for ongoing issues that included joint pain and digestive problems. Now the Kirtland, Ohio, resident was hoping to find relief through herbal remedies.

Evidence Is Lacking That Herbs Are Effective

"Do you have something for inflammation?" Ms. Lunka asked herbalist Galina Roofener during a one-hour consultation.

"Absolutely," responded Ms. Roofener. "This is for pain, for digestion, for inflammation, all of the above," she said, handing Ms. Lunka a bottle with capsules of an herbal combination called Xiao Yao San, which translates as free and easy wanderer. The capsules include about eight different herbs, including licorice, mint leaf and white peony root.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: botanicalmedicine; herbalmedicine; tcm

1 posted on 04/22/2014 4:08:37 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

That’s just up the road from Madame Chang’s House of Magick Spyrits, where some chicken bones and a dash of powdered yak bladder will cure everything from warts to hammertoe.


2 posted on 04/22/2014 4:13:38 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: nickcarraway

This is the transition to third-world homebrew remedies coming with the full realization of Obamacare. Of course, modern pharmaceuticals will still be available for the elite.


3 posted on 04/22/2014 4:14:31 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: nickcarraway

People here will construe this as a natural extension of Obamacare fallout —perhaps it is, but a LOT of herbs really do work, and big pharma freaking hates it.

To earn, you must PATENT medication and to do that you impart UNIQUE value to some treatment that has gone through very lengthy and epxnsive clinical trials —most medications require 11 years and $1.1 billion to do that.

Pharmas cannot patent herbs, ergo they’re simply not interested.

But LOTS and lots of herbs do work.


4 posted on 04/22/2014 4:21:25 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Here’s a super easy one —lessay you’ve been in Mexico and you think you’ve picked up a bad parasite:

You like papaya? OK, chew up the peppery, yucky seeds in the center that you always igore and swallow them. They look like deer poop. Yeah, they taste bad —LIKE MEDICINE.

In most cases in a day or so you’ll be fine and free of parasites.

Bill and wait time —ZERO.


5 posted on 04/22/2014 4:24:52 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Oh cmon some $300 pills and a bad case of the runs are so much better.


6 posted on 04/22/2014 4:31:24 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: nickcarraway

7 posted on 04/22/2014 4:34:55 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: nickcarraway
Good God Almighty...the Cleveland Clinic is literally one of the finest hospitals in the word.And they've stooped to this....
8 posted on 04/22/2014 4:35:00 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Gay State Conservative

yeah imagine that, its almost like they work.

of course many people would prefer to ignore reality because it might force them to learn something.


9 posted on 04/22/2014 4:39:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“.the Cleveland Clinic is literally one of the finest hospitals in the word.And they’ve stooped to this....”

You’re clueless! What is the wonder drug Aspirin? It’s just synthesized willow bark tea! How many pharmo medicines come from nature? Educate yourself!


10 posted on 04/22/2014 4:40:05 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Educate yourself!

Perhaps you could tell us everything you know about the "scientific method".I have 30 seconds.

11 posted on 04/22/2014 4:46:15 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Gay State Conservative; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

So aspirin isn’t essentially willow bark?

Perhaps you can find someone who wants to spend a billion dollars to push some of these things through the govt bureaucracy? Or you could look to the millions of people they’ve helped.

So whats the membership of the Flat Earth Society these days?


12 posted on 04/22/2014 4:49:16 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Well, the modern scientific method seems to involve starting with a conclusion that will earn one a large research grant from government or industry, working one's way backwards to manufacture evidence and falsify data as needed, excluding contradictory results from your reports, and threatening to jail your opponents as "deniers."

How'd I do? :)

13 posted on 04/22/2014 4:50:44 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL-GALT-DELETE])
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To: gaijin

“Limey” —they call Brits that. It’s cuz they had a global navy when no one else did, and on their long voyages with no fruit they’d have low Vitamin C and get scurvy.

But finally they learned to suck on limes and with that citrus source of Vitamin C the scourge of scurvy was cured for the first time, right?

Wrong:

Hundreds of years earlier Native Americans showed them that a tea made from the inner bark of quaking ASPEN would clear up the problem, lickety-split:

Tonto knew what to do, instantly.

But ya know what? The Brit docs said it WASN’T SCIENTIFIC. And, uh....there was this little matter of naked, grunting BROWN PEOPLE invented it, and stuff...

But I’m SURE the Brits wouldn’t be like that, right?

So they went back to swilling rum and having their teeth fall out for a copla more centuries.

BUT I’M SURE ***WE*** WOULDN’T BE SO STUPID, RIGHT?


14 posted on 04/22/2014 4:54:08 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Mr. Jeeves; driftdiver
How'd I do? :)

I know your type.When given a diagnosis of Stage 4 carcinoma of the pancreas you'd head to the airport,hop a plane to Cleveland and tell the cab driver there to take you straight to Ting Ching Zhou's Herbal Medicine Emporium right next door to the Cleveland Clinic.

15 posted on 04/22/2014 4:57:54 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Taxol is made from Yew tree bark. Taxotere is made from Yew tree needles.

Both are major drugs for breast cancer.

Opiates are another type of herbal medicine that you will find in any pharmacy.

Most medicines you get in the pharmacy have a herbal ancestry.

Sometimes the effective compound has been synthesized so you don't have to devote so much land to growing the herbs.

16 posted on 04/22/2014 5:02:01 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Gay State Conservative; Mr. Jeeves

No, but neither am I too proud or ignorant to realize that if my doctor can’t help me then perhaps I should consider something thats been used for 5000 years. Something that has been shown to help cure disease and ease suffering.

I know I know its so much better to give your life to prove that western medicine can’t solve all problems. They sure do try to cover up symptoms though.

More of the blue pill please!


17 posted on 04/22/2014 5:04:23 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Gay State Conservative; Mr. Jeeves

BTW, since western medicine has only managed a 1% 5 yr survival rate for “Stage 4 carcinoma of the pancreas “ I’d say herbal medicine can’t do a hell of a lot worse.

Heck perhaps herbal medicine used earlier could help prevent the cancer in the first place.

NAAHhhhh, gimme the blue pill and a whole big heaping pile of ignorance.


18 posted on 04/22/2014 5:07:33 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: nickcarraway

This is bad news for the FDA cronies.


19 posted on 04/22/2014 6:08:35 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Gay State Conservative

Perhaps you should read the article again. To date, very few studies have been done on herbal medicines here in the West, They are starting to happen though. Interesting one just comp;eyed on the Thunder God Vine root extract;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/thunder-god-vine-works-as-well-as-a-western-drug-for-rheumatoid-arthritis-a-study-finds/2014/04/21/6e105748-c63b-11e3-bf7a-be01a9b69cf1_story.html

Real studies are just beginning.


20 posted on 04/23/2014 9:14:23 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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