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Ukraine crisis: Dozens killed in Odessa fire amid clashes
BBC News Europe ^ | 5/2/2014 | Staff

Posted on 05/02/2014 12:26:04 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

At least 38 people have been killed in a fire in an official building amid clashes in Odessa, in south west Ukraine, local police say.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: banderists; civilwar; footballfans; maidan; massacre; odessa; rightsector; russia; svoboda; tradeunionhouse; turchynov; ukraine
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Another “business” thing...

Ukraine should be looking towards the best of our organic farming methods, not our new world order Monsanto slow, long-term, poison methods of farming.

Equity financing, not debt.

Slow and steady growth, SELF-FINANCING, not DEBT financing.

Etc.

sorry for rant.


61 posted on 05/02/2014 1:57:28 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Agog

Most likely that this is the spark Putin was looking for. Pro Russian groups were sure to be attacked eventually somewhere.


62 posted on 05/02/2014 2:00:21 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Euromaidan demo. for "peace&unity" in Odessa had set off riding a fire brigade truck they had 'stolen'.....as march continued many Nazi arm-bands were clearly visible.

Here you have Maidan nationalists making cocktails

Right Sector Maidan sets fire to Anti-Kiev ptotestors tent area

right Sector thugs set fire to Union Building where Anti-Kiev protesters had gone for run for safety

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmp9oSZCAAAe1aF.jpg

63 posted on 05/02/2014 2:15:37 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Don’t forget the photos of the right sector gunmen. They are all over twitter.


64 posted on 05/02/2014 2:19:38 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

There wasn’t any shooting until the pro-kiev mob drove the firetruck through the Maidan-like barricade, injury several people.

Nice history rewrite try, though.


65 posted on 05/02/2014 2:31:22 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: caww

The problem is that in the digital age, nothing happens in the dark, anymore.

They even have smart phones in darkest of Africa now.

In moments, an event can be transmitted around the globe.

The Maidan/Right Sector hate and propaganda just makes this clown look like an idiot.


66 posted on 05/02/2014 2:34:26 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

RT Update:

UPDATE: At least 43 killed in Odessa clashes, 174 injured


67 posted on 05/02/2014 2:48:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Weeks ago 'the Mayor of Odessa' warned that busloads of Right Sector people were being bused into his community and he could see nothing but trouble for it....that warning of course went unheeded.
68 posted on 05/02/2014 2:48:41 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf

Isn’t in interesting how a certain faction here lately sides with the Admin/Rinos and denies all evidence that doesn’t fit the SCRIPT?

I have had 4 of them in the past week chest thump this thing to no end but can’t address the most simple and fact based issues. Like “What happens when we send supplies and Russia treats it as an act of war considered in the light of the Stare Dept basically starting this whole mess?”

The hyperpatriotism thing may have had merit in 1963. but it doesn’t this time. All these people on both sides would still be alive had “Occupy Kiev” never been tried by AMERICAN LIBERALS IN POWER.


69 posted on 05/02/2014 2:49:48 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: caww

As I have been saying, it’s been pretty clear that the Russia-hating Radicals in Kiev WANT a war with Russia, and they are being pushed from behind by the Obama Administration. They have made no attempts to talk with the pro-Russians.

Did you see the look on Merkel’s face when Obama was talking about this, this afternoon?


70 posted on 05/02/2014 2:51:43 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: PieterCasparzen
....”They keep trying to bait the Russians to become overtly militarily involved.........If the Russians become overtly involved militarily, that justifies tons of US covert help that this US administration will respond with.........
That will turn it into a proxy war that will be labeled by the press as a “civil war”......

Yes, that is how I see it....was amazed Obama called the Kiev government.....”Duly elected”.... the length this gov. now goes to cover their tracks is beyond astounding. They cannot be believed for even a moment! I too am sick of this gov. going into nation states in order to carry the lifting for the Expansion of the EU's agenda for control of the world's resources and finances.

71 posted on 05/02/2014 2:59:23 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf
....”Did you see the look on Merkel’s face when Obama was talking about this, this afternoon?”
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Yes. I watched that and was dumbfounded Obama called Kiev Government “Duly Elected”

I'm beyond knowing how to describe this administration and have been for some time. What they've created in Ukraine is worse than even what Yanco did...you never saw this form of violence on such a scale as this caused by US/Eu Maidan in Ukraine.

The Eu/US backed themselves in a corner...they promised the Ukrainians they would unite their country...when in fact it's more than separating..it's at war with itself!

72 posted on 05/02/2014 3:07:24 PM PDT by caww
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To: lodi90

You’re another one that needs to be told... I will not be responding to your post...consider yourself told.


73 posted on 05/02/2014 3:09:09 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Thats what liberals do when in power. Including GOP Rinos. Put people at war with each other, divide, propagandize and make excuses. Just as long as they increase their power.

People that support them are every bit the POS that they are.


74 posted on 05/02/2014 3:17:24 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: tcrlaf

There wasn’t any shooting until the pro-kiev mob drove the firetruck through the Maidan-like barricade, injury several people.


So you’re saying the Ukrainian patriots brought a fire truck to a gun fight? Who brought the guns? I saw the video and I’ll tell you. Green Men. And when the Russian rent a mob starting getting a butt kicking they started shooting.

There is video of much of this. Those aren’t kids with guns in the videos. So before you start parroting Russian propaganda think about that.


75 posted on 05/02/2014 3:20:32 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Norm Lenhart

.....”All these people on both sides would still be alive had “Occupy Kiev” never been tried by AMERICAN LIBERALS IN POWER”....

I see this administration as a thugocracy made up of Chicago mob members and those they recruit otherwise.

Even the Mayor of Odessa tried in vain to head this off...he saw the busloads of people Kiev was sending in and told them no good would come of it......of course Kiev, under the US leadership didn’t budge...they are on a roll and IMO purposely creating situations in Ukraine where Putin would be set up to take the blame for what their hands have created.

Putins no saint by any means...but in this situation the violence from the get go lays directly at the feet of the EU/US/NAto expansion throughout Europe.

I was listening to Greet Wilder today commenting on Ukraine...he clearly sees the Eu/US to blame as being “Irresponsible” by upsetting the Ukraine’s “delicate balance”. HE further stated that..”the Eu fails to see it’s not just about themselves’... that..”this was a terrible move by the Eu/US.”..and further that the “Eu sacrificed Ukraines stability for sale of its own interests”.


76 posted on 05/02/2014 3:22:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Do this conservative website a favor and stop parroting Team KGB Russian propaganda.


77 posted on 05/02/2014 3:22:16 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: caww

That is exactly what they did. And I agree, Putin is far from a saint. but the blame on this does not fall on his shoulders. It falls on that of Liberals in the EU and largely here.

If we get lucky or a miracle from God, the EU and the UN will collapse over it and the libs here be swept from any global influence whether or not their sycophants like it or not.

More games with human lives. Ukraine is a warm up for continental Europe and the US. Bank on it.


78 posted on 05/02/2014 3:36:12 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: tcrlaf
..."the pro-unity demonstrators were joined by nationalists and "football fans" or Soccer fans" (thugs) who turned the peaceful march into a deadly clash.".....

Just for some clarity on these "football fans"...here they are 14 April 2012 at the Metalist stadium in Kharkiv in Ukraine - one of the host cities for Euro 2012 - 2,000 fans in the terraces for a match between two of Ukraine's biggest teams gave the Nazi salute to their team....... fans at the match told the BBC that they were saying "Sieg Heil" because Hitler hated "Jews and blacks" and that is how they support their team.


79 posted on 05/02/2014 3:52:23 PM PDT by caww
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To: Norm Lenhart
....” Ukraine is a warm up for continental Europe and the US. Bank on it.”.....

EU is now a 'Super-State" rather than a trade group as it originally was for....Europe's elections straight ahead, many are trying to disengage from the EU..... Most are ‘Patriots’ and want their countries sovereignty back rather than allow the Un-elected EU Brussels Parliament control over their money, their laws and borders. Peoples cultures are different...and that by design. the EU and now the US as well, is trying to build another Tower of Babel and think they can pull it off without resistance they falsely believe they can manage. Unfortunately not remotely concerned of the lives they put in danger, nor those lost while they do so.

Interesting is watching Germany in this....Merckel has her hands full from all sides, and further knows the Nazi element could create further trouble for Germany...which is why we see many photos and articles being scrubbed from the internet concerning this group. The US media was told not to use the word Nazi....nor report about them as so. So we hear all kinds of "other" titles so as not to create issues none want to deal with. That was done in the 40's as well....it's like a time warp coming into this century!

80 posted on 05/02/2014 4:07:53 PM PDT by caww
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